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Cold hardiness of Caryota himalayana

Alberto

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Difference in cold hardiness of Caryota himalayana after the last freeze of -3°C. (begin July)

Three are totally defoliated and one a few meters (+-7m) from the first ones,at the side of a bamboo fence show a lot more green after the freeze .

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

J. australis Collaborator

J. australis

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That's a surprise, Alberto. I thought C himalayana would cope better in freezing temperatures. Do you also grow C ochlandra?

I saw many Caryota on a recent trip to Nepal and Tibet. Here's a very nice one in Kathmandu:

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wcCsEOIOW2A

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Hi Jo,

Yes I have some very young C.ochlandras

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Takil-Explorer Proficient

Takil-Explorer

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Caryota gigas is going to be invasive in Australia??? Well they need a wet climate, and most of Australia is very dry!

Alexander

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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I have a trunking ochlandra, a good-sized himalayana...and a gigas that will take over Australia if I let it loose! Will take a new pic of them later.

I´d like to see them!!:rolleyes:

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Caryota gigas is going to be invasive in Australia??? Well they need a wet climate, and most of Australia is very dry!

Alexander

´´.........and a gigas that will take over Australia if I let it loose!´´

In this sentence there is a figure of speech (?is this English?)called hyperbol.

(Het is een ´´Stijlfiguur´´)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

peachy Grand Master

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I planted a lovely gigas a few years ago, but when I went to mt coot-tha botantic gardens and saw a fully grown one, I couldnt get home to dig it out quickly enough. I have a mitis that only grows in spasmodic spurts, a urens that has sat there and done nothing for 3 years and a couple of small ochlandras that grow steadily but fry if any sun gets on them. Miccles has a glorious himalayana in his garden in Melbourne that I would kill for. I tried zebrina and ophiopelis also but they didnt like my cold winter nights. However, there is a success story, all is not lost. Monostachya laughs at the heat, cold, flood and famine and always looks pretty. However its a small growing species that unfortunately clumps and my hatred of small clumpers is legendary.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Speaking of hyperboles...Caryota gigas deserves its name!! I saw one in São Paulo state!!! Wowww! Big!!!!!!

Unfortunately mine is toast by the freeze.

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

gilles06 Experienced

gilles06

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Alberto, i got this one which has handled snow and -3°C. I think the bamboo made a good protection in your case, but the 2 burned leaves specimen will probably regrow with high temperature.

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Salut.

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elevation 328 feet

distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile

lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F

lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F

lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F

lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F

lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F

lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F

Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Alberto, i got this one which has handled snow and -3°C. I think the bamboo made a good protection in your case, but the 2 burned leaves specimen will probably regrow with high temperature.

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Salut.

Gilles,that looks cold!!!

The same minimum temperature as I had here.

We had a lot of hore frost....

How was the look of yours a month later?

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

ron@springhammock Community Regular

ron@springhammock

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Here the winter of 2010 bottomed out at -4C(25F) and my C. maxima 'himalaya' looked pretty much like yours. They came back strong, though the first frond came out dwarfed on one of them. This last winter I put a heating cable on the trunk when again tempatures dropped to -4C. Again the leaves were fried but the fronds are coming out healthy and full sized. One himalaya I didn't protect is dead and next to it is a C. 'solitaire' that shows no damage. I also have a small C. ochlandra that doesn't show any winter damage and a C. obtusa (gigas) with minor leaf burn but growing strong.

Central Florida, 28.42N 81.18W, Elev. 14m

Zone 9b

Summers 33/22C, Winters 22/10C Record Low -7C

Rain 6cm - 17cm/month with wet summers 122cm annually

Jimhardy Mentor

Jimhardy

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Glad to see it has come back for you Alberto!

gilles06 Experienced

gilles06

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Gilles,that looks cold!!!

The same minimum temperature as I had here.

We had a lot of hore frost....

How was the look of yours a month later?

Hi Alberto,

The leaves weren't all burned but only 50%. In spring it took long time to make knew leaves. Now it has totally recovered.

Salut :winkie:

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elevation 328 feet

distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile

lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F

lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F

lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F

lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F

lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F

lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F

Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Glad to see it has come back for you Alberto!

Thanks!!!

Thanks for all the answers!:)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

kelen Community Regular

kelen

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Alberto, i got this one which has handled snow and -3°C. I think the bamboo made a good protection in your case, but the 2 burned leaves specimen will probably regrow with high temperature.

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Salut.

wow! it's so cold!!! Here the temperature can arrive -3ºC but this terrible frost is not commum in my area!!! It's look like snow, not frost!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Alberto, i got this one which has handled snow and -3°C. I think the bamboo made a good protection in your case, but the 2 burned leaves specimen will probably regrow with high temperature.

dscn1207o.jpg

Salut.

wow! it's so cold!!! Here the temperature can arrive -3ºC but this terrible frost is not commum in my area!!! It's look like snow, not frost!

Kelen,I think it is snow.

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Takil-Explorer Proficient

Takil-Explorer

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Well Caryota gigas are awesome palms anyway! I saw them just outside Cherrapunjee on the way to a famous big waterfall there, wich is a tourist spot by the way. To get there you pass by the C. gigas at the northside from the road. Very thick trunks and huge leaves. Well Cherrapunjee is the wettest place on earth, about 12 meter of rain a year.

Alexander

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