Cristóbal Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 More information about palm # 2 in Tijuana. They call to me from the fish store yesterday to tell to me they find the eggs of the weevil by the palm, but no weevils. Today I go there and they give these to me: 2 eggs, they are closed 100%. There are weevils in the inside ! I want open them but I think it is more better send email to Mark and Christine Hoddle to ask to them what they think is the best things to do. TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 That tree needs to be destroyed immediately! Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baker Portugal Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 There are infected CIDP everywhere here in central and north Portugal. I hope they keep on chewing only the CIDP because I have very few of them (roebelini). The countryside will certainly look diferent without those Phoenix. Cheers Jason Jason Baker Central coastal Portugal Zone 10a, 1300mm rain warm-temperate, oceanic climate looking for that exotic tropical island look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Wychgel Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 There are infected CIDP everywhere here in central and north Portugal. I hope they keep on chewing only the CIDP because I have very few of them (roebelini). Take heed Jason the list they chew is getting longer everyday, this one is from 2010 Red Palm Weevil - Presently-known hosts. (11 November 2010) 1. Areca catechu Betel nut Palm 2. Arenga saccharifera Sugar Palm 3. A. pinnata Sugar Palm 4. Bismarckia nobilis Bismarck Palm 5. Borassus flabellifer Toddy Palm 6. B. sp Palmyra Palm 7. Brahea armata Mexican Blue Palm, etc. 8. B. edulis Guadalupe Palm 9. Butia capitata Wine Palm, etc. 10. Calamus merrillii Rattan Palm 11. Caryota cumingii Philippines Fishtail Palm 12. C. maxima Giant mountain fishtail Palm 13. Cocos nucifera Coconut 14. Corypha utan (= C. gebanga, C. elata) Gebang Palm 15. C. umbraculifera Talipot Palm 16. Chamæerops humilis European Fan Palm 17. Elæis guineensis Oil Palm 18. Livistona australis Australian Fan Palm 19. L. decipiens Ribbon fan Palm 20. L. chinensis Chinese fan Palm 21. L. saribus (= L. cochinchinensis) Serdang Palm 22. L. subglobosa 23. Metroxylon sagu Sago Palm 24. Oncosperma horrida Nibong Palm 25. O. tigillarium Nibong Palm 26. Phœnix canariensis Canary Island Date Palm 27. P. dactylifera Date Palm 28. P. roebelinii Pygmy Date Palm 29. P. theophrastii Cretan Palm 30. P. sylvestris Indian Date Palm 31. Pritchardia pacifica Fiji Palm 32. P. hillebrandii Molokai Fan Palm, etc. 33. Ravenea rivularis Majesty Palm 34. Roystonea regia Royal Palm 35. Sabal umbraculifera Hispaniolan Palmetto 36. Trachycarpus fortunei Chusan Palm 37. Washingtonia filifera California Fan Palm 38. W. robusta Mexican Fan Palm. Syagrus romanzoffianum if injured Charles Wychgel Algarve/Portugal Sunset zone 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristóbal Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I have email from Christine and Mark Hoddle. They asked to me, to open the cocoons and to put them in the frezer what I find for when they come to Tijuana again. Now they are not in north america, but soon they come here for them to take to USA for analises of DNA. I can now confirm this palm # 2 is dead from rhynchophorus palmarum. NOT red palm weevil, but black palm weevil. Same very bad news for this area. Here are the fotos. MATTYB: You are right this palm needs be cut very soon, i put this in email for Christine and Mark, to ask to them to confirm this with the federal and tijuana governments, to cut this palm and destroy NOW. They are in contact with these governments of this problem. FOTO # 1 - the cocoons, before i cut them. TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristóbal Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 FOTO # 2 - I open the cocoon and find weevil number 1. FOTO # 3 - Weevil number 1, is dead. TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristóbal Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 FOTO # 4 - I open cocoon # 2. Again i find one weevil. FOTO # 5 - The 2 weevils. Both are dead. TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristóbal Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 FOTO # 6 - The 2 weevils from close. Yes, they are rhynchophorus palmarum. California USA, be very careful. If they are here, they are there. One can walk from where is this palm, to USA. TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 There are infected CIDP everywhere here in central and north Portugal. I hope they keep on chewing only the CIDP because I have very few of them (roebelini). Take heed Jason the list they chew is getting longer everyday, this one is from 2010 Red Palm Weevil - Presently-known hosts. (11 November 2010) 1. Areca catechu Betel nut Palm 2. Arenga saccharifera Sugar Palm 3. A. pinnata Sugar Palm 4. Bismarckia nobilis Bismarck Palm 5. Borassus flabellifer Toddy Palm 6. B. sp Palmyra Palm 7. Brahea armata Mexican Blue Palm, etc. 8. B. edulis Guadalupe Palm 9. Butia capitata Wine Palm, etc. 10. Calamus merrillii Rattan Palm 11. Caryota cumingii Philippines Fishtail Palm 12. C. maxima Giant mountain fishtail Palm 13. Cocos nucifera Coconut 14. Corypha utan (= C. gebanga, C. elata) Gebang Palm 15. C. umbraculifera Talipot Palm 16. Chamæerops humilis European Fan Palm 17. Elæis guineensis Oil Palm 18. Livistona australis Australian Fan Palm 19. L. decipiens Ribbon fan Palm 20. L. chinensis Chinese fan Palm 21. L. saribus (= L. cochinchinensis) Serdang Palm 22. L. subglobosa 23. Metroxylon sagu Sago Palm 24. Oncosperma horrida Nibong Palm 25. O. tigillarium Nibong Palm 26. Phœnix canariensis Canary Island Date Palm 27. P. dactylifera Date Palm 28. P. roebelinii Pygmy Date Palm 29. P. theophrastii Cretan Palm 30. P. sylvestris Indian Date Palm 31. Pritchardia pacifica Fiji Palm 32. P. hillebrandii Molokai Fan Palm, etc. 33. Ravenea rivularis Majesty Palm 34. Roystonea regia Royal Palm 35. Sabal umbraculifera Hispaniolan Palmetto 36. Trachycarpus fortunei Chusan Palm 37. Washingtonia filifera California Fan Palm 38. W. robusta Mexican Fan Palm. Syagrus romanzoffianum if injured I add Butia capitata. I' ve found an rpw (dead because I take precaution measures) inside a leaf base during pruning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 There are infected CIDP everywhere here in central and north Portugal. I hope they keep on chewing only the CIDP because I have very few of them (roebelini). Take heed Jason the list they chew is getting longer everyday, this one is from 2010 Red Palm Weevil - Presently-known hosts. (11 November 2010) 1. Areca catechu Betel nut Palm 2. Arenga saccharifera Sugar Palm 3. A. pinnata Sugar Palm 4. Bismarckia nobilis Bismarck Palm 5. Borassus flabellifer Toddy Palm 6. B. sp Palmyra Palm 7. Brahea armata Mexican Blue Palm, etc. 8. B. edulis Guadalupe Palm 9. Butia capitata Wine Palm, etc. 10. Calamus merrillii Rattan Palm 11. Caryota cumingii Philippines Fishtail Palm 12. C. maxima Giant mountain fishtail Palm 13. Cocos nucifera Coconut 14. Corypha utan (= C. gebanga, C. elata) Gebang Palm 15. C. umbraculifera Talipot Palm 16. Chamæerops humilis European Fan Palm 17. Elæis guineensis Oil Palm 18. Livistona australis Australian Fan Palm 19. L. decipiens Ribbon fan Palm 20. L. chinensis Chinese fan Palm 21. L. saribus (= L. cochinchinensis) Serdang Palm 22. L. subglobosa 23. Metroxylon sagu Sago Palm 24. Oncosperma horrida Nibong Palm 25. O. tigillarium Nibong Palm 26. Phœnix canariensis Canary Island Date Palm 27. P. dactylifera Date Palm 28. P. roebelinii Pygmy Date Palm 29. P. theophrastii Cretan Palm 30. P. sylvestris Indian Date Palm 31. Pritchardia pacifica Fiji Palm 32. P. hillebrandii Molokai Fan Palm, etc. 33. Ravenea rivularis Majesty Palm 34. Roystonea regia Royal Palm 35. Sabal umbraculifera Hispaniolan Palmetto 36. Trachycarpus fortunei Chusan Palm 37. Washingtonia filifera California Fan Palm 38. W. robusta Mexican Fan Palm. Syagrus romanzoffianum if injured I add Butia capitata. I' ve found an rpw (dead because I take precaution measures) inside a leaf base during pruning. I forgot in previous thread to add also Pritchardia lowreyana aka macrocarpa. I do it now for the same as above reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastGal Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Cristobal, your reports and photos are always so memorable. Do I understand you correctly in that the weevils were both found dead in their cocoons before being put in the freezer? If so, I wonder why they died before emerging. Bad news that they are there and clearly responsible for taking out that palm but good news that at least those two didn't survive to emerge and travel to another palm. Edited April 4, 2012 by WestCoastGal Zone 9b (formerly listed as Zone 9a); Sunset 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 I wonder if our cold winter weather has killed them? Are they sleeping? Maybe this is good news that they might not thrive here because we are not so tropical.....wishful thinking maybe. Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdrc65 Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) Bad news from Sicilia (Sicily Italy) too Edited April 5, 2012 by fdrc65 Federico Ravenna , Italy USDA 8a\b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I wonder if our cold winter weather has killed them? Are they sleeping? Maybe this is good news that they might not thrive here because we are not so tropical.....wishful thinking maybe. Matt, bad news I bring to you. RPW survives outside the palm till 5C, but inside the palm can withstand much lower temps due to the increased temperature because of the fermentation produced from destroyed tissues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trioderob Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) Edited April 6, 2012 by trioderob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJG Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Rob, why not explain your post. Where is this? What is this in regards too? It helps for the hundreds that follow this thread. LenVista, CA (Zone 10a)Shadowridge Area"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."-- Alfred Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trioderob Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 the photo shows what one of those weevil grub attacks can do to a Bizzie. was a little shocked at how bad it can be (more than a little) in this case its The "palmetto weevil" (Rhynchophorus cruentatus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJG Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 the photo shows what one of those weevil grub attacks can do to a Bizzie. was a little shocked at how bad it can be (more than a little) in this case its The "palmetto weevil" (Rhynchophorus cruentatus) Thanks. So Florida for this picture. You can see why trees die so fast with infestation. LenVista, CA (Zone 10a)Shadowridge Area"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."-- Alfred Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 And you will find out unfortunately, how quickly palm growing turns to a hobby exclusively for rich people, when the rpw or a similiar borer spreads to a another climate zone without natural enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristóbal Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) Cristobal, your reports and photos are always so memorable. Do I understand you correctly in that the weevils were both found dead in their cocoons before being put in the freezer? If so, I wonder why they died before emerging. Bad news that they are there and clearly responsible for taking out that palm but good news that at least those two didn't survive to emerge and travel to another palm. WESTCOASTGAL, the persons in the fish store, they put the cocoons in the refrigerator with fish before they give them to me. I do not know if they were dead before, but obvious if they are in the refrigerator for long time the cold there kill the weevils. I wonder if our cold winter weather has killed them? Are they sleeping? Maybe this is good news that they might not thrive here because we are not so tropical.....wishful thinking maybe. MATTYB, the first palm i find in december 2010, i do not think it is some problem for them to survive here now that i find palm # 2. The palms are in the downtown of tijuana and not far from the ocean, I do not think in any night of the winter it is more colder then 4-5C. I have email from Christine Hoddle she says the federal government of USA is worryed about the weevil but the federal government of Mexico thinks it is not some problem ! How many palms are to die from this here and also in USA in the next years, because of this wrong attitude ? It is important to remember this is black palm weevil, not red palm weevil. But it does same thing. Edited April 7, 2012 by Cristóbal TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Pardon my lack of knowledge, but what is the difference between the red and black species? Or does it even matter for us palm lovers in this part of the world? In their native habitat, what checks their spread and growth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Hi, in addition to the passion for the palms, are Doctor Agronomist and Forestry. I'm raising awareness and helping (free) some municipalities around where I live. I would like to ask you some questions about how it intervenes in the United States: - someone is using a preventive IMIDACLOPRID on the ground? - which preventive treatments are realized? - in case of infestation of an exemplary which active principles (imidacloprid, clorpirifos,....) are used? Sorry for my english Thanks in advance 2 Southern Calabria on the Tyrrhenian sea (Italy) Zone 9b - NO FROST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Enzo! Nice to meet you. We do use imidacloprid here. Cristobal's reports are truly alarming. sigh Let's arrange our deck chairs on the Titanic? Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauna Kea Cloudforest Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Bump! Since the topic has come up again. What size of palms can be infected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picudodelapalma Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 En México el problema es muy grave y continua afectando la industria del coco de agua para fruta asi como las grandes plantaciones de palmas en zonas hoteleras en el Pacifico y Caribe mexicano. Tenemos trabajando con esta plaga desde hace aproximadamente 10 años y en el estado de Chiapas iniciamos proyectos de capacitacion sobre la plaga que ataca la palma de aceitera para produccion de biodiesel, usamos metodo de trampeo con feromonas sexuales e inyectores de alta presión al tronco en la base del cogollo donde se encuentra infestado de pequeñas larvas del picudo y en un periodo de 4 a 6 meses aproximados dependiendo del grado de daño manifestado por las larvas sera su recuperacion. Ve nuestros resultados en la siguiente pagina : http://controlmayateprieto.webs.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Dont hope that cold keeps the Rhynchophorus ferrugineus in check,it doesnt. They thrive here in cold Melissia even though it snows annually and we get freezing nights for many days in a row with snow. Annual lows at least -3C. ''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 It looks like that larvae and cocoons have enough protection from cold in the interior of the palms, where temps are much higher than in the air because of the ongoing fermentation caused by larval excrements. (the therapy protocol for infected palms suggests also the use of fungicide). Nature finds a way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PÚA Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Also Predates in Parajubaea Torallyi Torallyi Púa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Very interesting video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4NSPvYU1n4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. George Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Very interesting video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4NSPvYU1n4 Yes - Very Interesting - Thank you very much - gmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Yes, awesome video, thank you for sharing. That guy had a really interesting Riverside accent. Resident of San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI. Former garden in Vista, CA. Garden Photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trioderob Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 any updates? any updates ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Vanderhoff Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 CA Dept. of Food and Ag have been trapping the entire area for a few years now, but have not found any more following the initial discoveries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferry Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 The weevil discovered in Laguna Beach was not Rhynchophorus ferrugineus but R. vulneratus. This last specie, as R. palmarum, is far less invasive than R. ferrugineus in urban areas with Phoenix canariensis. This palm specie constitutes an extraordinary weak host of the RPW. This explains why the situation in Laguna Beach has been so easy to control compare with places invaded by R. ferrugineus where furthermore wrong measures of control have been adopted. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Bump for interested parties Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdiaz31089 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Hmm, after reading through the many pages here and seeing pictures, I'm wondering if this has affected palms in the San Joaquin Valley... I remember seeing palms show these symptoms (collapsing crown, no new growth). There was a particular, century-old P. canariensis in Los Banos at Espana's Restaurant that showed these symptoms, slowly declining over several months. I thought it was a goner, but much to my surprise, it recovered and now has a full crown. I saw another along Robertson Blvd in Chowchilla, again century-old canariensis, go into decline. over several months with no new growth. That one too recovered after about a year of being in decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 A great link regarding the current situation in the SW US. and TJ http://cisr.ucr.edu/palm_weevil_symposia.html 1 Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmTreeDude Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Do any birds eat these things? PalmTreeDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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