Cyphophoenix elegans & nucele

[PalmatierMeg]

I have a 3g Cyphophoenix nucele & 2g Cyphophoenix elegans. Can they tolerate summer sun in S FL at this size or do they need shade?

[Walter John]

Sun lovers Meg.

[Moose]

I have a 3g Cyphophoenix nucele & 2g Cyphophoenix elegans. Can they tolerate summer sun in S FL at this size or do they need shade?

Meg - I would say semi-shade. That is where mine are.

Not to keep them from our harsh sun, but to keep them cooler.

I have not seen a nursery down here yet grow these in full sun, always in a shade house.

Best regards,

Ron.

[Rafael]

I have two 1 gal cyphophoenix (alba and nucele), potted, wich i protect from direct sunlight and much warm days.

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

On ‎9‎/‎7‎/‎2010‎ ‎2‎:‎23‎:‎52‎, PalmatierMeg said:

I have a 3g Cyphophoenix nucele & 2g Cyphophoenix elegans. Can they tolerate summer sun in S FL at this size or do they need shade?

Bump. How are these doing Meg?

[PalmatierMeg]

Those two are long gone. But I have one more of each in the ground in my back yard. I got them a bit larger from a Palm Beach sale last fall(?). Hope they make it through a FL summer.

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

2 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Those two are long gone. But I have one more of each in the ground in my back yard. I got them a bit larger from a Palm Beach sale last fall(?). Hope they make it through a FL summer.

Am I to assume they succumbed to the heat?

[PalmatierMeg]

1 hour ago, Cocoa Beach Jason said:

Am I to assume they succumbed to the heat?

I can't quite remember but it's distinctly possible. I lose palms in pots every summer - usually to rot. I don't cover any of my potted palms during rainy season so they are at the mercy of nature. Just in the past few days I've gotten over 5" of rain with no stop in sight. I hope these current Cyphophoenix will do better because I put them in the ground soon after buying them. They also have the canal and jungle to break the heat. I find our jungle must be 10-15 degrees cooler than the ambient temp. That's the saving grace for my 3 Howeas.

[NatureGirl]

My C. nucele gets partial shade. This one was planted from a 3gal the summer 'after' the 2010 freeze. I love it because it does so well here on the beach and doesn't 'brown tip' from all the salt. Never had a problem with summer heat.

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

18 minutes ago, NatureGirl said:

My C. nucele gets partial shade. This one was planted from a 3gal the summer 'after' the 2010 freeze. I love it because it does so well here on the beach and doesn't 'brown tip' from all the salt. Never had a problem with summer heat.

Thanks Charlene this is great to know since we have the same growing conditions, sand, etc. Did you amend the soil heavily and if so with what? 

[NatureGirl]

No, I didn't amend the soil, I quit doing that yrs ago for my palms, it wasn't effective. Fertilizer is better.  I only amend soil when I plant my bromeliads. Since they have hardly any roots I dig a small hole and put some peat/perlite, they like it better than the sand and it holds the moisture.

[PalmatierMeg]

That is a gorgeous palm, Charlene. My C. nucele is planted at the eastern edge of my jungle where it gets morning sun. The C. elegans is planted behind the Carpoxylon right next to the walk. It receives dappled midday sun.

[Josh-O]

4 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

That is a gorgeous palm, Charlene. My C. nucele is planted at the eastern edge of my jungle where it gets morning sun. The C. elegans is planted behind the Carpoxylon right next to the walk. It receives dappled midday sun.

for us In California  C. nucele  wants to be in filtered sun or it will burn and elegans will take full sun with ease.

[Cape Garrett]

13 hours ago, NatureGirl said:

My C. nucele gets partial shade. This one was planted from a 3gal the summer 'after' the 2010 freeze. I love it because it does so well here on the beach and doesn't 'brown tip' from all the salt. Never had a problem with summer heat.

What amount of sun does it receive?  Is this planted on a northeast side of your home?  Any trees shade it from afternoon sun?  Looks like quite a bit of sun in the picture.  More light info please...  I have a 7 gallon ready to be planted out but want to do it right the first time.  Thanks.

[Mandrew968]

In South Florida, nucele is easy and when grown right, looks like a miniature oliviformis in all its parts(might have a slightly more white crownshaft than an olli). Elegans is the harder one to grow. I have just planted my second attempt at elegans. This time, bigger and in a wetter, more rich spot. Bright light for it. I think I will have success.

[SubTropicRay]

Both of mine are in fairly deep shade and they love it.

[Cape Garrett]

18 minutes ago, SubTropicRay said:

Both of mine are in fairly deep shade and they love it.

You have these planted on Pine Island?  How long have you had these planted in deep shade?

[Cape Garrett]

19 minutes ago, SubTropicRay said:

Both of mine are in fairly deep shade and they love it.

You have these planted on Pine Island?  How long have you had these planted in deep shade?

[Cape Garrett]

1 hour ago, Mandrew968 said:

In South Florida, nucele is easy and when grown right, looks like a miniature oliviformis in all its parts(might have a slightly more white crownshaft than an olli). Elegans is the harder one to grow. I have just planted my second attempt at elegans. This time, bigger and in a wetter, more rich spot. Bright light for it. I think I will have success.

Thanks Andrew.  Are yours in sun or shade?  

[Central Floridave]

I have been growing both for a few years now. (South M.I.)  Cyphophoenix elegans is super slow grower & nucele is slow but about 5 times as fast.   All in shade.   Drought tolerant.      

[DoomsDave]

On 6/10/2016, 4:07:44, PalmatierMeg said:

I can't quite remember but it's distinctly possible. I lose palms in pots every summer - usually to rot. I don't cover any of my potted palms during rainy season so they are at the mercy of nature. Just in the past few days I've gotten over 5" of rain with no stop in sight. I hope these current Cyphophoenix will do better because I put them in the ground soon after buying them. They also have the canal and jungle to break the heat. I find our jungle must be 10-15 degrees cooler than the ambient temp. That's the saving grace for my 3 Howeas.

Wow, that's a big differential.

[Mandrew968]

22 hours ago, Cape Garrett said:

Thanks Andrew.  Are yours in sun or shade?  

I have a few in the nursery, but I don't have nucele in the ground. A bit common here. I have the elegans on the edge of full sun, just under some palm canopy. Lots of water, this time.

[Mandrew968]

Elegans is the blue palm at the bottom right. Reinhardtia top left. Sabal lisa in container.

[Mandrew968]

Update. 

[Mandrew968]

Better pics. Sorry for that last one.

[Merlyn]

I was thinking of trying Elegans and/or Nucele, any updates on these in the Central Florida area?  They both seem fairly hardy, with reports of some damage in the mid-to-upper 20s. 

[Central Floridave]

"any updates on these in the Central Florida area?"

 

Mine are still growing.  Super slow growers for me.  No water are fertilizer may be why, but they steadily grow.  Partial shade.  

[D. Morrowii]

On 2/11/2023 at 7:09 PM, Merlyn said:

I was thinking of trying Elegans and/or Nucele, any updates on these in the Central Florida area?  They both seem fairly hardy, with reports of some damage in the mid-to-upper 20s. 

I had a nice 3 gal size in the ground for a few months but it died. Most likely from too much sun and maybe too much water in the crown during Ian. I had leaf burn on the old leaves but the 2nd round fronds stayed nice and green.  The sun and storm must have weakened it though. Ants and aphids were relentless for a while and finally a fungus set in. I treated it but the spear eventually let go.  I’m looking for a replacement though!