Eric in Orlando Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Here is a report of the cold damage incurred to the palms in the collection at Leu Gardens. Leu Gardens is located in Orlando,FL. Our location falls into USDA zone 9b and is borderlines 10a. We are located on the southeast shore of Lake Rowena which provides for a protected microclimate. The winter of 2009-2010 was a record setting for the duration of cool and cold weather. December was very warm but it turned cold in early January. The absolute low was only 29F but the duration of cold in January set records. February and March was also much cooler than normal. Many plants did not show much injury for several weeks and slowly started to decline thereafter. Here are the stats for the cold spell in January. On the night (Jan. 10) it dropped to 29F it was below freezing for an amazing 12 hours. Also the nights of Jan. 10 and 11 had very heavy frost in the open areas. February had no below freezing nights but there were quite a few nights in the mid 30sF to the low 40sF and highs only in the 50sF. Jan. 1 68/47 Jan. 2 58/39 Jan. 3 47/36 Jan. 4 52/33 Jan. 5 47/35 Jan. 6 50/31 Jan. 7 61/30 Jan. 8 59/38 Jan. 9 41/31 Jan. 10 45/29 32F- 9:30pm 31F- 10:30pm 30F- 1:15am 29F- 5:45am 30F- 9:00am 31F- 9:15am 32F- 9:30am 33F- 9:45am 35F- 10:00am Jan. 11 53/30 Jan. 12 58/32 Jan. 13 63/36 (plants that were not damaged have no notes following their name) FAMIILY: Palmae or Arecaceae SUBFAMILY: Coryphoideae Tribe: Corypheae Acoelorrhape wrightii Brahea armata Brahea berlandieri Brahea brandegeei Brahea clara Brahea decumbens Brahea dulcis Brahea elegans Brahea nitida Chamaerops humilis Chamaerops humils var. argentea Chelyocarpus chuco- severe burn, recovery uncertain Chuniophoenix hainanensis Chuniophoenix nana Coccothrinax alta Coccothrinax argentata Coccothrinax barbadensis- minor burn Coccothrinax crinita- minor burn Coccothrinax inaguensis- very minor burn Coccothrinax miraguama- minor burn Coccothrinax scoparia- very minor burn Coccothrinax spissa- moderate burn Coccothrinax crinita x barbadensis Coccothrinax sp. (stiff leaf)- moderate burn Copernicia alba Copernicia baileyana- minor burn Copernicia berteroana- moderate burn Copernicia curbeloi- very minor burn Copernicia eckmanii- killed Copernicia fallaensis- minor burn Copernicia gigas- moderate burn Copernicia glabrescens var. glabrescens Copernicia hospita (blue form)- minor burn Copernicia macroglossa Copernicia prunifera Copernicia yarey- very minor burn Copernicia x sueroana (gigas x rigida)- minor burn Copernicia x vespertilianum (hospita x rigida)- very minor burn Corypha utan- defoliated but recovering Cryosophila albida- minor burn Cryosophila argentea- very minor burn Cryosophila stauracantha- very minor burn Cryosophila warscewiczii- very minor burn Guihaia argyrata Guihaia grossefibrosa Johannesteijsmannia altifrons- killed Kerriodoxa elegans- moderate to severe damage Leucothrinax morrisii Licuala distans- moderate burn Licuala glabra var. selangorensis- minor burn Licuala grandis- 1 killed, 1 moderate burn Licuala lauterbachii- very minor burn Licuala longipes- very minor burn Licuala paludosa- minor burn Licuala parviflora- killed Licuala peltata var. peltata Licuala peltata var. sumawongii- very minor burn Licuala ramsayi Licuala spinosa- 2 were undamaged, 1 has moderate burn Livistona australis Livistona benthamii Livistona carinensis- moderate burn Livistona chinensis Livistona chinensis var. subglobosa Livistona concinna Livistona decora (decipiens) Livistona drudei Livistona endauensis- moderate burn Livistona fulva Livistona jenkinsiana Livistona lanuginosa Livistona mariae Livistona muelleri Livistona nasmophila Livistona nitida Livistona rigida Livistona robinsoniana- moderate burn Livistona rotundifolia- severe burn Livistona rotundifolia var. luzonensis- moderate burn Livistona saribus (green petiole form) Livistona saribus (maroon petiole form) Livistona speciosa Livistona woodfordii Livistona australis x chinensis Nannorhops ritchiana Pritchardia affinis Pritchardia beccariana- minor burn Pritchardia elliptica- minor burn Pritchardia glabrata- moderate burn Pritchardia hillebrandii (green form)- 1 has minor burn, 1 has moderate burn Pritchardia martii Pritchardia munroi- very minor burn Pritchardia napaliensis- minor burn Pritchardia remota Rhapidophyllum hystrix Rhapis excelsa Rhapis excelsa ‘Zuikonishiki’ Rhapis gracilis Rhapis humilis Rhapis laosensis Rhapis multifida Rhapis subtilis Sabal bermudana Sabal blackburniana Sabal causiarum Sabal domingensis Sabal etonia Sabal guatemalensis Sabal maritima Sabal mauritiiformis Sabal mexicana Sabal miamiensis Sabal minor Sabal minor var. lousiana Sabal palmetto Sabal palmetto ‘Lisa’ Sabal parviflora Sabal princeps Sabal pumos Sabal rosei Sabal uresana Sabal yapa Sabal sp. “Bahamas” Sabal sp. “Birmingham” Sabal sp. “Neuvo Leon, Mexico” Sabal sp. “Riverside” Sabal sp. “Tamaulipus, Mexico” Sabal sp. “Texensis” Schippia concolor- very minor burn Serenoa repens (green form) Serenoa repens (blue-silver form) Tahina spectabilis- minor burn Thrinax excelsa Thrinax parviflora- minor burn Thrinax radiata- 1 is undamaged, 1 has moderate burn Trachycarpus fortunei Trachycarpus latisectus Trachycarpus martianus Trachycarpus takil Trachycarpus wagnerianus Trachycarpus sp. “Takaghii” Trithrinax brasiliensis Washingtonia filifera Washingtonia robusta Zombia antillarum Zombia antillarum X Coccothrinax argentata Tribe: Phoeniceae Phoenix acaulis Phoenix canariensis Phoenix canariensis (unknown hybrid parentage) Phoenix dactylifera ‘Medjool’ Phoenix farinifera Phoenix loureiroi var. loureiroi Phoenix loureiroi var. pedunculata Phoenix paludosa- minor burn Phoenix pusilla- moderate burn Phoenix reclinata Phoenix roebelenii Phoenix roebelenii (clustering form) Phoenix roebelenii (Mekong River) Phoenix rupicola Phoenix sylvestris Phoenix sylvestris ‘Robusta’ Phoenix theophrasti Phoenix sp. “Tunis” Phoenix reclinata x dactylifera Phoenix roebelenii x reclinata Phoenix rupicola x roebelenii- 3 have moderate burn, 1 was severely damaged but recovering, these are growing in an open, exposed location that is one of the coldest in the Garden Tribe: Borasseae Bismarckia nobilis (silver-blue form) Borassodendron machadonis- minor burn Borassus madagascariensis- minor burn Hyphaene coriacea (schatan)- moderate damage, new leaves on main trunk are dead Hyphaene coriacea (turbinata)- moderate damage, new leaves on main trunk are dead Hyphaene dichotoma Hyphaene petersiana Latania loddigesii- minor burn Latania lontaroides- minor burn Latania verschaffeltii- defoliated, recovery uncertain Satranala decussilvae- minor burn SUBFAMILY: Calamoideae Tribe: Calameae Calamus caryotoides Calamus erectus Calamus guruba- killed Calamus latifolius Calamus leptospadix- very minor burn Calamus longisetus Calamus siamensis Calamus tetradactylus- moderate burn Calamus usitatus- severe burn Calamus vestitus- killed Calamus viminalis Daemonorops jenkinsiana- minor damage Daemonorops sabut- killed Mauritia flexuosa- killed Maurtiella armata- killed Oncocalamus tuleyi- killed Plectocomia elongate- minor burn Plectocomia himalayana Plectocomiopsis sp. (Thailand)- minor burn Raphia farinifera- severe burn Raphia ruwenzorica- minor burn Raphia sudanica- severe burn Salacca magnifica- killed, was still growing weakly from a lightning strike Salacca wallichiana- minor burn Salacca zalacca- moderate burn SUBFAMILY: Ceroxyloideae Tribe: Cyclospatheae Pseudophoenix sargentii Tribe: Ceroxyleae Ceroxylon parvuum- minor damage Oraniopsis appendiculata Ravenea glauca Ravenea hildebrandtii Ravenea lakatra Ravenea madagascariensis Ravenea rivularis- minor damage Ravenea robustior- moderate damage Ravenea sambiranensis- minor damage Ravenea xerophylla Tribe: Hyophorbeae Chamaedorea cataractarum Chamaedorea elatior Chamaedorea elegans Chamaedorea ernesti-augustii Chamaedorea fragrans Chamaedorea glaucifolia Chamaedorea hooperiana Chamaedorea metallica Chamaedorea metallica (split leaf form) Chamaedorea microspadix Chamaedorea nationsiana Chamaedorea neurochlamys Chamaedorea oblongata Chamaedorea pinnatifrons Chamaedorea plumosa Chamaedorea pochutlensis Chamaedorea radicalis Chamaedorea schippii Chamaedorea seifrizii (FTG dwarf) Chamaedorea stolonifera Chamaedorea tepejilote- killed Chamaedorea woodsoniana Gaussia attenuata- minor burn Gaussia maya- minor burn Gaussia princeps- minor burn Hyophorbe indica (green form)- severely burned, recovering Hyophorbe indica (red form)- moderate burn Hyophorbe lagenicaulis- 2 defoliated, recovering Hyophorbe verschaffeltii- moderate burn Hyophorbe verschaffeltii x lagenicaulis- moderate burn Synechanthus fibrosus- minor burn SUBFAMILY: Nypoideae Nypa fruticans- 2 were killed SUBFAMILY: Arecoideae Tribe: Caryoteae Arenga australasica- minor burn Arenga brevipes- defoliated, recovery uncertain Arenga caudata Arenga engleri (Okinawa) Arenga engleri Arena hastate- killed Arenga hookeriana (divided leaf form) Arenga hookeriana (undivided leaf form)- minor burn Arenga micrantha Arenga microcarpa- moderate burn Arenga obtusifolia- minor burn Arenga pinnata- several had minor to moderate burn Arenga porphyrocarpa- defoliated, recovery uncertain Arenga ryukyuensis Arenga tremula- moderate burn Arenga undulatifolia- defoliated, recovery uncertain Arenga westerhoutii- very minor burn Arenga wightii- very minor burn Arenga engleri x hookeriana- very minor burn Caryota basconensis- moderate burn Caryota cumingii- moderate burn Caryota gigas Caryota kiriwongensis Caryota maxima- defoliated, recovery uncertain Caryota maxima (philippinensis)- severely burned Caryota mitis- minor burn Caryota monostachya Caryota no- severely burned Caryota obtusa Caryota ochlandra Caryota ophiopellis- severely burned Caryota rumphiana- severely burned Caryota urens- very minor burn Caryota urens (clustering form)- moderate burn Caryota zebrina- defoliated, recovery uncertain Caryota mitis x rumphiana- moderate burn Caryota mitis x urens- moderate burn Caryota sp. “Elvis”- moderate burn Caryota sp. “Himalayan” Caryota sp. “Mystery” Caryota sp. “Solitaire” Wallichia caryotoides- minor burn Wallichia densiflora Wallichia disticha Wallichia marianniae Wallichia siamensis Tribe: Areceae Acanthophoenix rubra- killed Actinokentia divaricata Actinorhytis calapparia- killed Adonidia merrillii- killed Archontophoenix alexandrae Archontophoenix cunninghamiana Archontophoenix cunninghamiana “Illawarra” Archontophoenix maxima Archontophoenix myolensis Archontophoenix purpurea- 1 has no damage, 2 have minor to moderate burn Archontophoenix tuckeri Archontophoenix sp. Areca catechu- severely burned but recovering Areca guppyana- killed Areca latiloba- killed Areca triandra- very minor burn Areca vestiaria- defoliated, recovery uncertain Areca vestiaria (suckering form)- defoliated, recovery uncertain Areca vestiaria (maroon form)- killed Burretiokentia hapala- minor burn Burretiokentia koghiensis- minor burn Carpentaria acuminate- minor burn Carpoxylon macrospermum- 2 have moderate burn Chambeyronia hookeri Chambeyronia macrocarpa Clinostigma exorrhizum- severe burn but recovering Clinostigma ponapense- killed Clinostigma samoense- killed Clinostigma savoryanum Cyphophoenix elegans Dictyosperma album Dictyosperma album var. rubrum- severely damaged Drymophloeus litigiosus- killed Dypsis albofarinosa Dypsis ambositae- minor burn Dypsis baronii Dypsis cabadae- minor burn Dypsis carlsmithii Dypsis coriacea (“Big Fishtail”)- killed Dypsis decaryi- 1 severely damaged, 1 has minor burn Dypsis decipiens Dypsis faneva- killed Dypsis lanceolata Dypsis lastelliana- minor burn Dypsis leptocheilos- minor burn Dypsis lutescens- severe burn Dypsis lutescens ‘Rotundum’- defoliated, recovery uncertain Dypsis madagascariensis- minor burn Dypsis madagascariensis “Mahajanga” Dypsis onilahensis Dypsis pembana Dypsis plumosa (“Fineleaf”)- minor burn Dypsis prestoniana Dypsis psammophila Dypsis rivularis- killed Dypsis robusta Dypsis sahanofensis- killed Dypsis saintelucei Dypsis tokoravina- very minor burn Dypsis tsaratanensis- minor burn Dypsis utilis- killed Dypsis sp. “Betafaka” Dypsis sp. “Honkona” Dypsis sp. “Orange Crush”- moderate burn Dypsis sp. “Pink Crown”- killed Euterpe edulis Hedyscepe canterburyana- very minor burn Heterospathe elata- killed Howea belmoreana Howea forsteriana- several with no damage, 1 with minor burn Hydriastele beguinii- killed Hydriastele dransfieldii- killed Hydriastele kasesa- killed Hydriastele microcarpa- killed Hydriastele pinangoides- moderate burn Hyospathe elegans- killed Iguanura wallichiana - killed Kentiopsis magnifica Kentiopsis oliviformis Laccospadix australasica Linospadix minor- very minor burn Linospadix monostachya- very minor burn Loxococcus rupicola- killed Nenga pumila var. pachystachya- killed Nenga pumila var. pumila- killed Neoveitchia storckii- killed Normanbya normanbyi- 3 with no damage, 1 with moderate burn Oenocarpus bataua- killed Oenocarpus distichus- killed Orania palindan- defoliated, recovery uncertain Orania ravaka- killed Orania sylvicola- killed Pinanga coronate- moderate burn Pinanga dicksonii Pinanga disticha- very minor burn Pinanga elmeri Pinanga javanasevere burn Pinanga kuhlii- severe burn Pinanga philippinensis Pinanga speciosa- killed Prestoea acuminata var. Montana- severe burn Ptychococcus lepidotus- minor burn Ptychosperma elegans- severe burn, recovery uncertain Ptychosperma macarthurii- severe burn Ptychosperma waitianum- severe burn Reinhardtia gracilis var. gracilis- very minor burn Reinhardtia latisecta Rhopaloblaste augusta- killed Rhopalostylis baueri Rhopalostylis cheesemanii Roscheria melanochaetes- killed Roystonea borinquena- minor burn Roystonea elata- 10 specimens with no or very minor burn, 1 with moderate damage Roystonea oleracea- 2 with minor burn Roystonea princeps- minor burn Roystonea regia-1 with no damage, 1 with minor burn, 1 with severe burn but regrowing Roystonea violacea- minor burn Satakentia liukiuensis- 1 with minor burn, 1 defoliated but recovering Veitchia arecina- severe burn but regrowing Veitchia filifera- severe burn Veitchia joannis- killed Wodyetia bifurcate- 5 with no or very minor burn Wodyetia bifurcata X Veitchia arecina Tribe: Cocoeae Acrocomia aculeata Acrocomia crispa (Gastrococos)- 2 with moderate burn Acrocomia media- very minor burn Acrocomia totai Aiphanes horrid- severe burn Aiphanes lindeniana- killed Aiphanes minima- killed Aiphanes horrida x minima- moderate burn Aiphanes sp.- severe burn Allagoptera arenaria Allagoptera campestris Allagoptera leucocalyx Astrocaryum alatum- severe burn, recovery uncertain Astrocaryum mexicanum- minor burn Attalea bejinhoensis Attalea butyracea- minor burn Attalea cohune- minor burn Attalea dubia Attalea phalerata- very minor burn Attalea rostrata- no cold damge but recovery uncertain still after previous lighting strike Bactris gasipaes- severely burned, probably killed to roots Bactris glandulosa var. baileyana- killed Bactris glaucescens- killed Bactris mexicana Bactris setosa Bactris setulosa- killed Beccariophoenix alfredii Beccariophoenix madagascariensis (windows)- minor burn Beccariophoenix sp. “Split Leaf” Butia archeri Butia bonnetii Butia capitata Butia capitata var. nehrlingiana Butia eriospatha Butia paraguayensis Butia purpurascens Butia yatay Butia eriospatha x microspadix Cocos nucifera ‘Green Malayan’- severely damaged, recovering so far Cocos nucifera ‘Maypan’- killed Cocos nucifera ‘Panama Tall’- severely damaged, recovering so far Desmoncus orthacanthos- moderate burn Elaeis guineensis- severe burn Elaeis oleifera- severe burn Jubaeopsis caffra- very minor burn Lytocaryum hoehnei Lytocaryum weddellianum Marojejya darianii- killed Marojejya insignis- killed Masoala kona- killed Masoala madagascariensis- minor burn Parajubaea sunkha Parajubaea torallyi var. microcarpa Polyandrococos caudescens- minor burn Syagrus amara- moderate burn Syagrus botryophora- 2 with minor damage, 1 with moderate burn Syagrus coronate- minor burn Syagrus glaucescens Syagrus oleraceae- minor burn Syagrus orinocensis- minor burn Syagrus picrophylla- minor burn Syagrus pseudococos- minor burn Syagrus romanzoffianum Syagrus romanzoffianum ‘Littoralis’ Syagrus ruschiana- moderate burn Syagrus sancona- minor burn Syagrus schizophylla- 1 with minor burn, 3 with no damage Syagus stenopetalata- minor burn Syagrus vermicularis- killed Syagrus sp.- moderate burn Syagrus sp. (suckering)- minor burn Syagrus x costae (coronata x oleraceae)- moderate burn Syagrus x montgomeriana (schizophylla x romanzoffianum)- minor burn Voanioala gerardii- severe burn X Butiagrus nabonnandii (Butia capitata X Syagrus romanzoffianum) X Jubutiagus everettii (Jubaea chilensis X Butia capitata X Syagrus romanzoffianum) Butia capitata X Jubaea chilensis Butia capitata X Parajubaea coccoides Tribe: Geonomeae Calyptrocalyx elegans var. boalak- killed Calyptrocalyx forbesii- killed Calyptrocalyx hollrungii- killed Calyptrocalyx julianettii- killed Calyptrocalyx leptostachys- killed Calyptrocalyx micholitzii- killed Calyptrocalyx pachystachys- killed Calyptrocalyx polyphyllus- killed Calyptrocalyx yamutumene- killed Calyptronoma rivalis- killed Geonoma gamiova- very minor burn Geonoma interrupta- killed Geonoma pohliana- very minor burn Geonoma schottiana- very minor burn Pholidostachys pulchra- killed Welfia regia- killed SUBFAMILY; Phytelephantoideae Phytelephas macrocarpa- killed 2 3 Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropicbreeze Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Looks like Calyptrocalyx didn't stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted May 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Not even C. polyphyllus which is supposed to be one of the hardier ones. I think it was just the long relentless cool/cold that killed them. Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redant Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Excellent info, I'm going to keep this info for any future shopping, I'm done with zone pushing and would prefer a less diverse but more stable garden. 1 Jupiter FL in the Zone formally known as 10A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsn Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 (edited) Eric, Thanks for the cold damage report.. Leu Gardens has to be one of the best microclimates in central Florida ,at least inland. As some of the close surburban areas of Orlando got down to around 25F,26F according to reports, and from what I researched on weatherunderground. To have only gotten down to a low of 29F is amazing,I got lower than that last year (2008-2009) over here in Titusville 28F, this years (2010) low was 24.4F! I only have a few palms that weren't damaged,some were killed out right and most severly damaged. I won't list them all only to say the usual old standbys (queens,butias,mules,phoenix,chamerops,sabals,serenoas) are the only ones that came through unscathed. Any crown shafted palm I had was either killed ,completely defoliated,or at least 75 percent damaged! Two back to back freezes here have driven the point home for me,that at least here in my climate in east central Florida that zone pushing is like beating your head against a brick wall, my head loses... I'm with redant I will keep planting palms,but I will be planting withan eye toward more cold hardy palms.No there won't be as many diverse species in my garden,but at least hopefully they will all be green and growing come April ,rather than brown, I like green better even if common! I'll leave it to the botanical gardens like Leu to test the limits,and come see them at the fantastic tropical oasis ya'll have created there! Edited May 14, 2010 by gsn Scott Titusville, FL 1/2 mile from the Indian River USDA Zone COLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgila Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 eric did you type ALL that? mustve taken a loooooong time... the "prince of snarkness." still "warning-free." san diego,california,left coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasota alex Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Eric, thanks for the info! I have a couple of questions. I remember seeing pictures of Jubaea chilensis at Leu. Is it still there? I didn't find it on the list. Also, was Tahina protected in any way, or it just naturally was able to handle the sub-freezing temps at such a young age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmatierMeg Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Thanks for the detailed info, Eric. Leu's temperatures mirror mine closely. The palms I have/had in common with it show similar outcomes. My ultimate low was 28.5 the morning of Jan. 11. I can see that none of my Calyptrocalyx should be planted - unless I'm prepared to take drastic means to protect them. Meg Palms of Victory I shall wear Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise) Florida Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal Elevation: 15 feetI'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trópico Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Thanks Eric! I would suppose most were under oak canopy. This deserves to be in the cold damage section. Frank Zone 9b pine flatlands humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters with yearly freezes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerPlant Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Frantasic and invaluable info Eric! Especially for us on the edge of central fl who are in cold pockets. If palms recieve severe damage at Leu then we might as well not waste our time unless under extreme protection! Thanks Again! Bill Zone 9A - West Central Florida in Valrico East of Brandon and Tampa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikitiki Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 I have some of the same results and some different. My Kerriodoxa elegans look perfect no problem at all. While some of yours that have no notes were killed out right in my yard. With a tin cup for a chalice Fill it up with good red wine, And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edric Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Ditto! Thanks for the up-date, Ed MOSQUITO LAGOON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Amazed at the Tahina. Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Thanks Eric, altho on the other side of the planet, these stats are very handy for me as I live in a similar climatic zone. Strange how some palms that survive a minus 5c frost unscathed here, died in the Leu gardens and palms that died here survived there. Still I intend to copy and keep your list of unscathed palms for my shopping list. Peachy I came. I saw. I purchased 27.35 south. Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Thanks Eric! I saw the B.eriospatha x B.microspadix were untouched...Not a surprise! What is the size of the little hybrid now? What surprised me was the same kind of burning (little damage) to Dypsis plumosa and D.ambositrae. i was expecting to the real ambositrae to be hardier then the ´´fake or fine leaf´´ or more properly B..plumosa!! Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 eric did you type ALL that? mustve taken a loooooong time... I already have the master list saved as a Word document. Just printed the list, went out and made notes, and typed in the damage results. Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Eric, thanks for the info! I have a couple of questions. I remember seeing pictures of Jubaea chilensis at Leu. Is it still there? I didn't find it on the list. Also, was Tahina protected in any way, or it just naturally was able to handle the sub-freezing temps at such a young age? No, that old Jubaea died back in 2002, it got a bud rot and died during the summer. It had about 6ft of clear trunk. The Tahina was not protected at all and is growing in a fairly open location so probably had some frost on it too. Its only about a foot tall. Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Thanks for the detailed info, Eric. Leu's temperatures mirror mine closely. The palms I have/had in common with it show similar outcomes. My ultimate low was 28.5 the morning of Jan. 11. I can see that none of my Calyptrocalyx should be planted - unless I'm prepared to take drastic means to protect them. I think most of the Calyptrocalyx would have been fine if it had been a "normal" freeze (if there is such a thing). One or 2 nights in the upper 20sF but then warmed back up. I believe it was just the sheer duration that wiped them out, especially C. polyphyllus. I had one years ago in a container that I left out and it was 29-30F a couple nights and it wasn't bothered. I have a few extras that I will be planting back out in the next month. They were all growing in a very protected location under tree canopy. Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Thanks Eric! I saw the B.eriospatha x B.microspadix were untouched...Not a surprise! What is the size of the little hybrid now? What surprised me was the same kind of burning (little damage) to Dypsis plumosa and D.ambositrae. i was expecting to the real ambositrae to be hardier then the ´´fake or fine leaf´´ or more properly B..plumosa!! The hybrid is about 2ft tall now. Those 2 Dypsis are planted very near each other. Size might have something to do with it. The D. ambositrae is small, about 1-2ft tall while the D. plumosa is 7ft. Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Glad everyone found the info useful !!! Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasota alex Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Eric, I noticed Myrialepis paradoxa on the list of palms you had donated to the CFPACS auction this weekend. Could you advise on your experience with this palm's cold-hardiness for Central Florida? It's not on your list above. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I'm not sure, I just planted one this summer so it is going through it's first winter. It comes from strictly tropical habitat but some other rattans like that have been semi hardy. This one looks to be a giant ! Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Floridave Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Sorry to jump on this thread, but more info on CFPACS meeting this Saturday: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=30335 Thanks Eric for the freeze info. Its invaluable. I'm pointed to this thread often on my numerous google searches on various palms! Central Florida Gardening Forum 2ndlight.Com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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