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Chambeyronia macrocarpa seed...

Kostas

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Hello! :)

I just got some Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookeri) seeds and they are full of flattened fiber as well as short velcro like fibers under the flattened ones.It seems that the very outter layer of their fruit is removed but everything else is intact. Do you sow yours that way when using controled conditions(i.e. baggie method or tupperware containers) or do you remove the finers?If the second,how much do you clean them? I cleaned the smallest one i got as much as possible,all fibers removed,and was left with a flat ended seed. Should i clean all that much all will they germinate and live fine(low damping off chance) leaving the fibers on?

Thank you very much in advance! :)

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Pivi Mentor

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This is how cleaned seed looks like. (ordinary macrocarpa, not hookeri).

Mine were very easy to clean and fruit falls of the seed with no problem.

I sowed them cleaned. Got 10 of 10 to germinate. One damped off after 2 months.

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island Vis, adriatic sea, Croatia. Zone 9b/10a

Temperature low last winter: -0.9°C/30.4 F

Temperature low this winter: -0.3°C/31.5 F

-Creating my own little palm heaven-

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much for your reply Pivi! :)

Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookeri) seem to have a little different shaped fibers but the general fruit anatomy should be the same :) The flattened fibers come off easily on my seeds too but the inner velcro like fibers dont and my cleaned seed is still somewhat hairry...So i guess i should clean them a little harder...Do you maybe have a photo of the flat end of the seed? I want to see a detail on that place after your cleaning. It seems that pulling a certain fiber makes an indenting on the seed and want to see if you pulled it or not...

How fast did yours germinated? I am excited with mine,i have always wanted a Chambeyronia but with so many variants,i didnt know which one to choose!!! :huh::drool:

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

gyuseppe Grand Master

gyuseppe

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hello konstantinos.

when I planted Chambeyronia, I cleaned the seeds from the fibers.

GIUSEPPE

Pivi Mentor

Pivi

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Kostas, as i remember this fruit fell of the see very very easy. It was like peeling a banana (even easier). since the fruit was dry so it was kind of separated from the seed and really fell of with no problem.

I'm sorry i don't have a better picture. Maybe you should leave the fibers that don't come off easy.

Mine germinated in 2 weeks. Very fast and great germination.

Post a photo, it's alway nice to see ;)

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island Vis, adriatic sea, Croatia. Zone 9b/10a

Temperature low last winter: -0.9°C/30.4 F

Temperature low this winter: -0.3°C/31.5 F

-Creating my own little palm heaven-

Caryota_gigas Experienced

Caryota_gigas

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These will germinate without taking off the fibre. I did an experiment with 25 clean and 25 with fibres and the only difference was 24-48 hours between germination... so it is not at all necassary.

Michael

Auckland

New Zealand

www.nznikau.com

http://nzpalmandcycad.com

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much all of you for your replys,i appreciate your help a lot! :)

guyseppe,

Has any sprouted yet?

Pivi,

Mine came moist and the inner fibers are hard stuck on the seed but with scrapping some radomly come off...Maybe in dry seeds they came off along with the seed part they are stuck on leaving the inside of the seed? Possibly :)

2 weeks is great,i hope mine sprout that fast too even though winter is coming! :)

I will try to post a photo when i have some time for you to enjoy them too :)

Caryota_gigas,

Thats great to hear,their fibrous husk without much flesh implied to me that they may germinate with the fibres on but didnt know for sure...Great to hear of your experiment,i think i will leave the rest unhusked till 1 week after the cleaned one germinates.If they have not spouted till then,i will clean them :)

Thank you very much all for the help and will post photos,at least when something germinates :)

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

Tassie_Troy1971

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Hi

I had about 20 . I removed the husk and soaked in water at room temperature and had nearly all of them germinate .

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

Pivi Mentor

Pivi

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Kostas,

I bought fresh seeds that only were left for the fruit do dry. I guess your seeds are even more fresh since the fruit is still "green"/fresh/fleshy.

I germinated my seeds in March when i got them, but you can germinate them equally successful now if you give them right conditions.

Put them in some sort of box with heat where the temperature will be adequate. I used cupboard with a bulb for heat.

island Vis, adriatic sea, Croatia. Zone 9b/10a

Temperature low last winter: -0.9°C/30.4 F

Temperature low this winter: -0.3°C/31.5 F

-Creating my own little palm heaven-

gyuseppe Grand Master

gyuseppe

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I've got 3 of seedlings, the seeds I had bought in April from Hawaii (ebay), from RPS :seeds had not yet for sale , but unfortunately they arrived in July, a month for the journey, + 40 days stopped by customs at the controls!, and to finish the seller gave me only 6 seeds good, atriums 4 seeds were rotten, but I did not felt to leave a feedback negative.

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much all of you for sharing your experiences! :)

Pivi,

I plan on germinating them at room temprature(20-22C) as the area with the bottom heat is infected with some d@#^ seed borers that destroy my seeds and i am trying to gradually disinfect my seeds and the clean ones go elsewhere now in airtight tupperware or ziplock bags at room temprature...

guyseppe,

Thank you very much for the photo,its always great to see germinators! :)

I am sorry to hear of your experiencemhaving trouble with the customs is always annoying and not good :( Maybe the 4 seeds that arrived rotten were the result of the long delay of your packet at the customs and they may have been good seeds otherwise. The pecentage of rotten/destroyed seeds i have gotten from RPS over the years is very small and most of the time it was only some of the surplus seed that were affected so no problem at all from my part :) The seeds in question are also from the recent wild collected batches of RPS :drool:

I am leaving mine as they are till i get a germinator or a fungus explosion :lol:

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Tyrone Grand Master

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I just would take the fruit off and leave the fibres on. They germinate fine that way.

Best regards

Tyrone

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much Tyrone! :)

Looking forward to them germinating... :drool:

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

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Thank you very much Tyrone! :)

Looking forward to them germinating... :drool:

Kostas, I've tried twice (in 2007 and 2009) to germinate chambeyronia macrocarpa seeds and both times it has been an relatively easy species for germination, without having to remove the fiber from the seeds...within 2 months most of my seeds germinated. However, ch. macrocarpa has proven to be (at least for me) very prone to rot and none of the seedlings remain alive, as most died within the first month and a few others a couple of months later. I hope you're luckier (or smarter) than me and have success with this beautiful palm.

Paleo Faliro, coastal Athens, Greece

Lat 37° 55' 33" N - Lon 23° 42' 34" E

Zone 9b/10a, cool winters, hot summers, coastal effect

Kostas Grand Master

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Thank you very much for sharing your experience Basili,i will keep it in mind for my soil selection and target moisture levels and hopefully i can keep the alive... :)

I am sorry to hear you lost all of yours :(

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Jose Maria Proficient

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I just washed the "skin" off, and left the fibres in place.

Those fibres dont impede the germination.They are very easy seeds to germinate compared to others....

(The easiest to me are the Veitchias)

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much for your reply Jose! :)

I got my first germinator already!!!!Its the only seed i cleaned but the cotyledonary petiole is still very short so the others may have germinated too but not be visible yet.I will wait till new year and then clean any non-germinated ones! :)

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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I am happy to report at least 5 are already germinated and at about the same stage. 4 are with the fibers on and one is cleaned.So i guess it doesnt matter at all,they germinate anywaylaugh.gif The other 5 with the fibers on i am not sure if they have germinated or not.If when i pot up the germinators the rest still havent done anything,i will clean them and seesmilie.gif

The sprike is really beautyfull and a mottled color,i love it!!!drool.gif Any special tips for now? How many leafs per year i can expect for their first years from seed and about how much will it take them to reach 1m in height?

Thank you very much in advance!smilie.gif

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Tyrone Grand Master

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Well done Kostas. You'll get 2 to 3 leaves a year. I don't know how long to get to 1m tall, but I'd hazard a guess at 5 years. Keep them in a bright location. They love bright indirect light.

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Tyrone

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much Tyrone!smilie.gif

2-3leafs a year is good but i must say that 5years to 1m really hurtsad.gif Oh,well,someday they will trunklaugh.gif

I will give them a bright location as you suggested and wait..........................At least they are already beautyfull with their mottled spikessmilie.gif

Best regards,

-Konstantinos

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Tyrone Grand Master

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Yes, they can be a bit slow to get going but, life is not just about the destination, it's also about the journey. They're a beautiful palm from the first leaf, and they get redder new leaves the older they get.

Best regards

Tyrone

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Kostas Grand Master

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I agree Tyrone,and i am thrilled to grow them despite their slow growthsmilie.gif

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Hello smilie.gif

I have a question regarding the planting depth of this species's seedlings: Should i burry the seed whole,half or have it resting on the surface of the soil? I saw some pictures where some have it resting on the soil and not burried but is it possible and safe for the seedlings to bury the seed to the level that fully covers the swollen base of the seedling?

Thank you very much in advance!smilie.gif

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Caryota_gigas Experienced

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It is fine to have them buried. I usually cover them with about an inch of soil, they are far less likely to dry out this way, and therefore need less attention.

Michael

Auckland

New Zealand

www.nznikau.com

http://nzpalmandcycad.com

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much Michael!smilie.gif

Good to know that they are in fact better burried,i didnt feel like leaving their base exposed either so the 2 i planted are with the seed burried whole. I will continue planting the rest of them tomorrow!smilie.gif

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Hello! :)

I thought I would update on my Chambeyronia seedlings,I got 9 seedlings so far and I have one last seed I am waiting to see if it finally sprouts. All of my seedlings are at their 3rd leaf already,some still pushing the last cms of it while others have already opened it! I have already ground planted one in Pyrgos before my summer vacations ands it's doing equally well in the ground there but I will be keeping the rest potted till they show the new leaf color they will be opening with to select the most spectacular to my eyes for a focal point position in my garden in Pyrgos. I will plant more of them possibly there if I find some more space as they are beauties!

Anyway, enough said,here are the pictures!

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I hope they grow one more leaf before winter so that they are ahead of prediction and hopefully trunk faster! :)

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Very nice, Kostas. I found Chambey seedlings to be robust and fairly fast growing.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

fan palm Proficient

fan palm

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very nice and healthy Kostas! what growing medium are you using? pine bark?

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much for your replys and kind comments Meg and fan palm! I am glad you like them! :)

I totally agree with you Meg! So far they have been problem free and fairly fast for me too :)

How big are yours now and after how many years?

Fan palm,

I am growing them in a mixture of 60% cactus soil,30% neutral gravel(~1cm diameter) and 10% river sand. The pine bark you see is mulch over the soil to keep the neighbor's cat from digging and as an added benefit,it keeps the medium uniformely moist :) All my pots are mulched as they get dug otherwise....

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

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All my Chambeys are in the ground - except Houailou which I got only a few weeks ago. I had only one that came up from a seed but I don't know where it came from as I've never ordered seeds. Maybe it was sent by mistake with a seed order or was a gift from a palm friend, but if so I've forgotten. All I know is that it "appeared" in a 4" pot in the shadehouse. I recognized the 1-leafer right away, moved it to a 1g. I planted it in the Chambey grove this spring. Besides the Houailou, I have about 7 regular, 1 Hookeri and 1 macrocarpa x Hookeri. They really took a hit last winter but all survived. I just wish they outgrew their frond damage a little bit faster.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Kostas Grand Master

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Thank you very much for your reply Meg! You must have a beautyfull groove there! :)

How big is your seed grown one now and how much time did it take it for that growth?

I am sorry to hear you had damage on your Chambeyronias but it's great they all made it! :)

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

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On 12/4/2009 at 1:38 PM, gyuseppe said:

I've got 3 of seedlings, the seeds I had bought in April from Hawaii (ebay), from RPS :seeds had not yet for sale , but unfortunately they arrived in July, a month for the journey, + 40 days stopped by customs at the controls!, and to finish the seller gave me only 6 seeds good, atriums 4 seeds were rotten, but I did not felt to leave a feedback negative.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/giuseppe-1/Immag015.jpg

and this species was also lost while I was in the hospital.................................

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