bubba Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 It looks like it is going to be a cold one and that means snow. Because we are Palmsters, we need to be aware of our record snowfalls so we can compare.I start this with US but request add-ons from all warm blooded Palmster regions world-wide. The book is for 24 hour records: (1) Hawaii-0 in the cities (2)Arizona-Yuma-1.5 inches Tucson-6.8 inches Phoenix-1.0 inches Lake Havasu-3.0 inches (3)California-Burbank-4.7 inches Death Valley-1.1 inches Los Angeles-3.0 inches Palm Springs-2.0 inches San Diego- Trace (4)Florida-Daytona-Trace Everglades City-0 Fort Myers-Trace Gainesville-1.0 inches Jacksonville-1.9 inches Key West-0 Lakeland-1.0 inches Melbourne-0 Miami-Trace Orlando-Trace Tallahassee-2.8 inches Tampa-0.2 inches West Palm-Trace (5)Louisiana-New Orleans-8.2 inches Baton Rouge-12.5 inches (6)Nevada-Las Vegas-12.0 inches (7)Texas-Austin-10.7 inches Brownsville-6.0 inches Corpus Christi-5.0 inches Dallas-7.4 inches Galveston-15.4 inches Houston-20 inches Laredo-4.5 inches San Antonio-13.2 inches Please add-on together with commentary! What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 It looks like it is going to be a cold one and that means snow. Because we are Palmsters, we need to be aware of our record snowfalls so we can compare.I start this with US but request add-ons from all warm blooded Palmster regions world-wide. The book is for 24 hour records: (1) Hawaii-0 in the cities (2)Arizona-Yuma-1.5 inches Tucson-6.8 inches Phoenix-1.0 inches Lake Havasu-3.0 inches (3)California-Burbank-4.7 inches Death Valley-1.1 inches Los Angeles-3.0 inches Palm Springs-2.0 inches San Diego- Trace (4)Florida-Daytona-Trace Everglades City-0 Fort Myers-Trace Gainesville-1.0 inches Jacksonville-1.9 inches Key West-0 Lakeland-1.0 inches Melbourne-0 Miami-Trace Orlando-Trace Tallahassee-2.8 inches Tampa-0.2 inches West Palm-Trace (5)Louisiana-New Orleans-8.2 inches Baton Rouge-12.5 inches (6)Nevada-Las Vegas-12.0 inches (7)Texas-Austin-10.7 inches Brownsville-6.0 inches Corpus Christi-5.0 inches Dallas-7.4 inches Galveston-15.4 inches Houston-20 inches Laredo-4.5 inches San Antonio-13.2 inches Please add-on together with commentary! Thanks for putting together this data. Do you think it will snow in any of these cities this winter except maybe Austin, Laredo and San Antonio? Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Perth, Western Australia, O. Thank goodness. Tytrone Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Happ, I am going with Ray about November and predict 0 snow in any Palmy areas. Tyrone, Any other interesting snow facts about Palmy spots in Australia? What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul The Palm Doctor! Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Looks like, Bubba, that we in So. Fla. are extremely unlikely to again, see the White Stuff! I guess that's one of the reasons we are here! Nice & detailed research data, Bubba. I cannot remember a winter with more cold nights (and days) that had the potential to produce snow if humidity was high enough but as I remember, we did instead have star-filled nights with incredibly rapid advective chilling. The numbers in inland Broward Co. (about 55 miles southwest of your favoured locale) were really frightening: two nights of mid twenties F. andv three days of termperatures of only lower 50's F. But no snow (or frost) due to the Arctic nature of the air mass w/ dew points in the teens! Pablo Paul, The Palm Doctor @ http://www.thewisegardener.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Happ, I am going with Ray about November and predict 0 snow in any Palmy areas. Tyrone, Any other interesting snow facts about Palmy spots in Australia? I have only ever seen snow three times in my life... 1. Moscow 2. Copenhagen 3. Snowy Mountains, OZ If it ever snows here I would think that it is the end of the world! Daryl Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubTropicRay Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I was in second grade (January 1977) when snow came to visit me. NWS records show that the preceding November was very cold by Florida standards. Warm November usually spells a warm Florida winter. Anything can and has happened but this has been a common trend for a good percentage of years. Tampa snow More Tampa snow Forget the snow and look at that hairdew Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10A Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Bubba, I think you transposed the Los Angeles numbers, our record is 0.3 inches not 3.0 inches! http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.htm Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerPlant Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 It looks like it is going to be a cold one and that means snow. Because we are Palmsters, we need to be aware of our record snowfalls so we can compare.I start this with US but request add-ons from all warm blooded Palmster regions world-wide. The book is for 24 hour records: (1) Hawaii-0 in the cities (2)Arizona-Yuma-1.5 inches Tucson-6.8 inches Phoenix-1.0 inches Lake Havasu-3.0 inches (3)California-Burbank-4.7 inches Death Valley-1.1 inches Los Angeles-3.0 inches Palm Springs-2.0 inches San Diego- Trace (4)Florida-Daytona-Trace Everglades City-0 Fort Myers-Trace Gainesville-1.0 inches Jacksonville-1.9 inches Key West-0 Lakeland-1.0 inches Melbourne-0 Miami-Trace Orlando-Trace Tallahassee-2.8 inches Tampa-0.2 inches West Palm-Trace (5)Louisiana-New Orleans-8.2 inches Baton Rouge-12.5 inches (6)Nevada-Las Vegas-12.0 inches (7)Texas-Austin-10.7 inches Brownsville-6.0 inches Corpus Christi-5.0 inches Dallas-7.4 inches Galveston-15.4 inches Houston-20 inches Laredo-4.5 inches San Antonio-13.2 inches Please add-on together with commentary! Hey Bubba, I know it said 0 for Melbourne but I think it did actually snow - it was the year before I moved to FL (I lived in Indian Harbour Beach - 1 block from the beach and east of Melbourne) and I remember my neighbor telling me how it was snowing - very eerie! It was a shock to us as we moved down from up north and heard it never snowed in Brevard County. Bill Bill Zone 9A - West Central Florida in Valrico East of Brandon and Tampa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubTropicRay Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 If it ever snows here I would think that it is the end of the world! Daryl Well Daryl, it has snowed at 27 north latitude so I'd say it's fair game for you too. Anything can happen once. Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10A Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnorell Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Jack-- I think that though L.A. Civic Center recorded only .3 inches of snow in the big '49 event, many other areas received significantly more. I found an article from the L.A. Daily News that mentioned this, saying that despite the low amount downtown, the SF Valley largely received at least 2-3 inches. I also found a great picture of Glendale High on that date with palm trees and what looks like tree ferns laden with snow. Do a Google image search on "Glendale High 1949 snow" and it will come right up. Edited November 21, 2009 by mnorell Michael Norell Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 293 ft | z10a | avg Jan 44/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310 previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazondk Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Snow at least is something I will never have to worry about where I live. Even during the last glacial maximum this part of Amazonia remained in tropical lowland forest. Although the temperatures may have been as much as 5 C cooler. Which would put the low at around 17 C. I don´t think this would have made any major differences. dk Don Kittelson LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO 03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level 1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. . Click here to visit Amazonas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted November 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Jack, My source is a book titled Extreme Weather by Cristopher Burt. It states that Los Angeles received 3.0 inches of snow during the 24 hour period of Jan. 19 and 20, 1949. It reflects the maximum snow depth for a date was logged in Los Angeles on Jan. 15,1932 and was 2.0 inches. Obviously, LA is a very large area. What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Jack-- I think that though L.A. Civic Center recorded only .3 inches of snow in the big '49 event, many other areas received significantly more. I found an article from the L.A. Daily News that mentioned this, saying that despite the low amount downtown, the SF Valley largely received at least 2-3 inches. I also found a great picture of Glendale High on that date with palm trees and what looks like tree ferns laden with snow. Do a Google image search on "Glendale High 1949 snow" and it will come right up. Michael, is this the photo you are referring to? I've found a few photos of that event. Here's a shot of Silver Lake The 1949 snow storm was quite a remarkable occurrence throughout California. It may be difficult to replicate such an event today due to urban warmth. Here's the data that suggests a period of dynamics for over 10 yrs allowed snow to reach the basin. Snowfall Occurrences 1921-2002 in DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (Civic Center) Year Month & Amount of Snowfall 1922 January (trace), March (trace) 1935 December (trace) 1947 December (trace) 1949 January (slightly more than 0.3 inches) 1950 April (0.2 inches) 1951 February (trace), March (trace) 1952 January (trace), March (trace), December (trace) 1954 January (0.3 inches), February (trace) 1957 January (trace) 1962 January (trace) http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.htm Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Found another photo of the 1949 snow storm. This is in Echo Pk area: Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted November 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Found this regarding the snowfall of Jan. 15, 1932 at the LA Civic Center to the Beaches of Santa Monica: 15 January 1932, Los Angeles, California: Up to two inches (5 cm) of snow blanket the Los Angeles basin of California. The Los Angeles Civic Center reports an inch (2.5 cm) of snow. Beaches of Santa Monica whitened. What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Here are a few of snow in Florida. I know palm growers despise the idea of snow in our gardens but the sight of snow is so beautiful. I am old enough to remember the 1962 snowfall in the Salinas Valley; everybody freaked out to the morning vision. It was the first time I'd ever see it snow; watching it come down out of the sky was magical Here is Tampa in 1977 I don't know where\ when this photo was taken but it has to be the quintessential Florida snow photo! Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter John Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Here in Brisbane in November, I asked my workmate to help me out with a project and he said he couldn't right now because, he was snowed under.... Happy GardeningCheers, WalQueensland, Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul The Palm Doctor! Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I love it, Happ! What a great lighthearted look at SNOW! It is magical and things are muffled down to pure quiet as the snow falls. It seems there is a bit of awe (or little child) in all of us as this magic dust falls from the grey sky! I am feeling more relaxed just seeing those old photos! Thanks, Happ, for a trip back in time! Pablito Paul, The Palm Doctor @ http://www.thewisegardener.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnorell Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Happ-- Yes, that was the photo I was talking about. I also remember that in the (I think now gone?) Beachwood Cafe in Beachwood Canyon (Hollywood) there were great photos of Beachwood Canyon with lots of snow during either that '49 event or perhaps the '32 event. There have been a number of brushes with snow in L.A. that I can remember even in the '80s and '90s, I remember an Easter Sunday in the '90s where I was in Pasadena and the snow was literally just above the residential level in the SB mtn foothills. I think it was around 40F...it felt really cold!!! Michael Norell Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 293 ft | z10a | avg Jan 44/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310 previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spockvr6 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Warm November usually spells a warm Florida winter. This just made me check my weather data from last November (2008)---- 7.4F below normal! This November is, so far, only 0.2F below normal. The bummer is rain is at this point over 14" below normal. Larry Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve 9atx Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Bubbalouie Check it out, it's ALREADY snowing in the Dallas area: http://www.nbcdfw.com/enjoy-this/North-Tex...s-78310222.html We're supposed to get snow on Friday. Unbelieveable. Steve USDA Zone 9a/b, AHS Heat Zone 9, Sunset Zone 28 49'/14m above sea level, 25mi/40km to Galveston Bay Long-term average rainfall 47.84"/1215mm Near-term (7yr) average rainfall 55.44"/1410mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazondk Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Great I may get snow in Houston. When I went to Montana the end of April it dumped about 2 feet of snow and was cold the whole week. I will be in Great Falls, Montana on Wednesday. Right now it is 23 F with a forecast low of 9 F tonight. Well at least it will be a change. dk Don Kittelson LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO 03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level 1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. . Click here to visit Amazonas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Case Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Did I see snow in Big D today? John Case Brentwood CA Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer "Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I love it, Happ! What a great lighthearted look at SNOW! It is magical and things are muffled down to pure quiet as the snow falls. It seems there is a bit of awe (or little child) in all of us as this magic dust falls from the grey sky! I am feeling more relaxed just seeing those old photos! Thanks, Happ, for a trip back in time! Pablito Kind of like Christmas. Probably why everybody in the north wants a white Christmas. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Bubbalouie Check it out, it's ALREADY snowing in the Dallas area: http://www.nbcdfw.com/enjoy-this/North-Tex...s-78310222.html We're supposed to get snow on Friday. Unbelieveable. Steve Houston low of 29F Friday with a chance of snow. Wow! Pretty early in the season. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve 9atx Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Holy Cow! It's snowing in Houston, Texas on December 4th! They have revised the overnight forecast down to 25F at the big airport. If that happens, it will break the record from 1897 by FIVE DEGREES. Steve USDA Zone 9a/b, AHS Heat Zone 9, Sunset Zone 28 49'/14m above sea level, 25mi/40km to Galveston Bay Long-term average rainfall 47.84"/1215mm Near-term (7yr) average rainfall 55.44"/1410mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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