kahili Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Just came across this product for sale, and it says that Dr. David Francko is the inventor, so I assume that this is the product that we have been waiting for? http://www.liquidfence.com/FreezePruf.html they are taking orders now for a release date of Sept 1. I wonder if this is the only company selling this ? If I understood the directions correctly, it will last up to 4-6 weeks? I wonder how much coverage one gallon ready to use will provide? Those of us with a lot of palms in the ground may use a lot of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heath Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Thanks for the info!!! I'll be ordering when September 1st comes around. Thanks again, Mark Orlando, Florida zone 9b The Pollen Poacher!! GO DOLPHINS!! GO GATORS!!! Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,, but too much is never enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikitiki Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Me too. Edited August 13, 2009 by tikitiki With a tin cup for a chalice Fill it up with good red wine, And I'm-a chewin' on a honeysuckle vine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I ordered a gallon of the concentrate. I thought they said the stuff would be inexpensive. BS to that!!! Dick 1 Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidl Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 This is not a new product and to this day I have not heard that it worked well on palms. There has been some here that has tried it already so maybe we will get some feedback. I hope it works David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 This is the first notice I've seen where the product is available. It will probably show up at Home Depot much cheaper. I've read that it protects plants from 2 to 9 degrees. If I could only get 2 degrees of protection, that would let me squeek through most winters without damage to Jubaeopsis and the Parajubaeas, and maybe some Chamaedoreas. It will be interesting to have a control group of palms, some treated and some not and see the results. Dick 1 Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 When will it be available in the UK? Regards Andy. Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Germinator Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I ordered a gallon of the concentrate. I thought they said the stuff would be inexpensive. BS to that!!! Dick I thought Round Up was expensive, Yikes, 12 bucks for a little spray bottle. Ed Mijares Whittier, Ca Psyco Palm Collector Wheeler Dealer Zone 10a? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallop Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I've used Anti-Stress 2000 with no luck. I didn't see that it helped my plants at all. Maybe this product will fair better. Paul Gallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJG Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Haha. They spelled "Prewf" wrong. LenVista, CA (Zone 10a)Shadowridge Area"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."-- Alfred Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Sounds like BS. Maybe they'll start having testimonials of folks growing palms in North Dakota. Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahili Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dick, I would like to see a control group as well. I would like to do one here in my yard, but I am not sure what palm I would be willing to sacrifice to the cold to do the control. With as many microclimates in yards as there are, it would have to be two of the same palms, same size etc planted right next to each other to get a more accurate reading. I hope a few people have that situation. I think I am starting out with a qt of the concentrate, but definitely a concentrate that has to be mixed with water so I can put it in a hose end sprayer. Much faster and better coverage for higher palms. I am hoping it works so I don't have to cover as much in the winter, but if it does work as well as 9 degrees, then I can see me stepping up the palm buying another level, and thats not always a good thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahili Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Tank, you may be right. Though, if I recall correctly, I saw a video of him using it on coleus leaves before a freeze and the leaves were fine the next day. If so, its definitely worth giving a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have a couple of Plectocomia himalayana and Hyophorbe verschaffeltii to try it on. If it is as good as advertised then the extra +9.5 F/ +5.3C effective increase they are advocating should see these 2 palms Breeze it here. The Gauntlet has been Thrown................ How can I get hold of this stuff??????????? Regards Andy. Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmatierMeg Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 If this stuff could improve cold tolerance by 4-5F (to mid- to high-20sF for me) that would be a blessing. Just forestalling tip/leaf burn on my Coccothrinax and other marginals is a big help. My burned palms are just now looking good after 6 months of rattiness. Improving my temp range by 200 miles would put me in Central America (dream on). But I'd love to become 10b and hope for the elusive zone 11. However, I'm not risking my lipstick palm for experimentation. I also won't waste it on potted palms subject to frost-toasted roots. I haven't read all the data. Does anyone know whether FreezePruf reduces water loss during dry season? Meg Palms of Victory I shall wear Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise) Florida Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal Elevation: 15 feetI'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolitus Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Just came across this product for sale, and it says that Dr. David Francko is the inventor, so I assume that this is the product that we have been waiting for? http://www.liquidfence.com/FreezePruf.html they are taking orders now for a release date of Sept 1. I wonder if this is the only company selling this ? If I understood the directions correctly, it will last up to 4-6 weeks? I wonder how much coverage one gallon ready to use will provide? Those of us with a lot of palms in the ground may use a lot of it! Thanks so much for the heads up. A huge number of us were eagerly anticipating this. That said I will certainly try, but I am wondering if it will really work for plants that you would not want to protect so much from freezing ( because at that point tender stuff is history ), but want to protect say my Breafruit tree from losing most of its leaves when it drops below 50 F here in Miami ? OR will it protect Red sealing wax when it goes sub 50 F as well ???? I think some of us are not so much worried about freezing as we are about the 30 to 50 F window for a couple of days. Manny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahili Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Manny-I just used the coleus as an example (that was in the video-which might be on youtube) as to how effective he says this is. I.e.-if it can protect a soft leaf like coleus from freezing, then it should be more effective on "tougher" leaves such as palms. thats my thought. I don't know anything about the product except what I have read about it. I do know that he is very interested in pushing the zones with palms, and wrote a book about it , so I am hoping that this product will apply to palms. It would probably be effective with breadfruit as well. the trick there is the coverage issue. I am also assuming that it has a laytex (or something similiar) surfactant, and that is where the 4-6 wk coverage comes in. I am also going to find out from my sales rep if BWI is going to sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolitus Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Manny-I just used the coleus as an example (that was in the video-which might be on youtube) as to how effective he says this is. I.e.-if it can protect a soft leaf like coleus from freezing, then it should be more effective on "tougher" leaves such as palms. thats my thought. I don't know anything about the product except what I have read about it. I do know that he is very interested in pushing the zones with palms, and wrote a book about it , so I am hoping that this product will apply to palms. It would probably be effective with breadfruit as well. the trick there is the coverage issue. I am also assuming that it has a laytex (or something similiar) surfactant, and that is where the 4-6 wk coverage comes in. I am also going to find out from my sales rep if BWI is going to sell it. Good deal. Keep us informed of whatever additional info you find. I ordered the stuff already. I got nothing to lose. I have my Bradfruit tree and a couple of other palms that I will apply just in case. But mainly its the BF. Be well. Manny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heath Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have a couple of Plectocomia himalayana and Hyophorbe verschaffeltii to try it on. If it is as good as advertised then the extra +9.5 F/ +5.3C effective increase they are advocating should see these 2 palms Breeze it here. The Gauntlet has been Thrown................ How can I get hold of this stuff??????????? Regards Andy. Click the link provided by the poster. You can buy it there. Click "add to cart". Orlando, Florida zone 9b The Pollen Poacher!! GO DOLPHINS!! GO GATORS!!! Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,, but too much is never enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Case Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I am not an early adopter...I am awaiting results ... John Case Brentwood CA Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer "Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I wouldn't rush out and plant a Bread Fruit in Orlando. I think this product is only to lower the temp. where ice crystals form. I doubt it would protect tender plants like Bread Fruit, Cyrtostachys, or many other tender palms that bite the dust well above freezing. I guess we will have to try it to find out. Most palms have a waxey coating on the surface of the fronds, so this stuff may not absorb on palms as well as soft tissue such as coleus or tomatoes. Dick 1 Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heath Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dick, I would like to see a control group as well. I would like to do one here in my yard, but I am not sure what palm I would be willing to sacrifice to the cold to do the control. With as many microclimates in yards as there are, it would have to be two of the same palms, same size etc planted right next to each other to get a more accurate reading. I hope a few people have that situation. I think I am starting out with a qt of the concentrate, but definitely a concentrate that has to be mixed with water so I can put it in a hose end sprayer. Much faster and better coverage for higher palms. I am hoping it works so I don't have to cover as much in the winter, but if it does work as well as 9 degrees, then I can see me stepping up the palm buying another level, and thats not always a good thing! I would'nt use a hose end sprayer for the sole purpose of not getting the right mixture. It will dilute the freezepruf too much and lose the effectiveness. One gallon of concentrate makes only four gallons?? Not to good if you ask me for $99 bucks! I'll try it though! I have a sprayer that can blast a good distance, it straps on your back and has a pump handle on the side. I would use that if i were you Kahili! Orlando, Florida zone 9b The Pollen Poacher!! GO DOLPHINS!! GO GATORS!!! Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,, but too much is never enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahili Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Hadn't thought much about it, Mark, but you are right, I can't use the hose end sprayer. If its a ratio of 1:4 than thats one qt to one gallon and I can't fit one qt into the bottle, let alone the water needed( which is only about an inch. I use the hose end sprayer for fungicides and pesticides-which use a much smaller amt per gallon of water. It is accurate though, just not the right tool for this. Back pack sprayer it is! Going to be a pain to clean out afterwards, and the spray is not as long reaching as a hose end sprayer. May need a ladder. This better be worth it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I wouldn't rush out and plant a Bread Fruit in Orlando. I think this product is only to lower the temp. where ice crystals form. I doubt it would protect tender plants like Bread Fruit, Cyrtostachys, or many other tender palms that bite the dust well above freezing. I guess we will have to try it to find out. Most palms have a waxey coating on the surface of the fronds, so this stuff may not absorb on palms as well as soft tissue such as coleus or tomatoes. Dick That's a good point. This product probably won't so anything for us that suffer from cool temps above freezing in frost free areas. Looks like a waste of $$ for me. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) Mark, when you click on the drop down tab, the website only allows puchases in the US , Cananda or Puerto Rico. I have emailed them to see if they can Ship to Northern Ireland and UK Regards Andy. Edited August 15, 2009 by AJQ Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolitus Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I wouldn't rush out and plant a Bread Fruit in Orlando. I think this product is only to lower the temp. where ice crystals form. I doubt it would protect tender plants like Bread Fruit, Cyrtostachys, or many other tender palms that bite the dust well above freezing. I guess we will have to try it to find out. Most palms have a waxey coating on the surface of the fronds, so this stuff may not absorb on palms as well as soft tissue such as coleus or tomatoes. Dick Dick, I think you may be right. You probably saw my post on this thread earlier. I think there is that "window of cold and dry damage" which is before freezing for ultra tropical plants that I believe this product may prove ineffective to mitigate. Boy I hope we're wrong. My order is in. I will advise everyone what happens this fall/winter with my beautiful bread fruit tree. Manny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heath Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Mark, when you click on the drop down tab, the website only allows puchases in the US , Cananda or Puerto Rico. I have emailed them to see if they can Ship to Northern Ireland and UK Regards Andy. Andy, Let me know what they say. If all else fails, I'll help you! I would have to purchace it and you pay me and i ship it to you. I plan on buying a quart to start and if it works, then i'll by a gallon. I am scepticle it will help w/ temp damage but it will help w/ frost damage. I can't see how it could protect the bud unless it really does what it says by saying it is systemic. Let's all cross our fingers!!! Zone pushers Unite!! Orlando, Florida zone 9b The Pollen Poacher!! GO DOLPHINS!! GO GATORS!!! Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,, but too much is never enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ...you are right, I can't use the hose end sprayer.... Back pack sprayer it is! Going to be a pain to clean out afterwards, and the spray is not as long reaching as a hose end sprayer. May need a ladder. A 'Trombone' sprayer might work for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 just wondering as any one managed to find a unbiased impartial results for this stuff all the info iv found all goes back to the people who invented it and i find it strange that this product with all its claims have so few results to show it all just seems a bit rushed i just hope its not a flash in the pan and we end up with dead palms and they end up with piles of cash ricky http://research.ua.edu/2008/08/growing-whe...re-grow-before/ http://doncasterwx.co.uk/"><img src="http://doncasterwx.co.uk/wd/wdl/wxgraphic/wxgraphic.php?type=banner_big" height="80" width="500" border="0" alt="DoncasterWx weather" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Case Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 just wondering as any one managed to find a unbiased impartial results for this stuff all the info iv found all goes back to the people who invented it and i find it strange that this product with all its claims have so few results to show it all just seems a bit rushed i just hope its not a flash in the pan and we end up with dead palms and they end up with piles of cash ricky http://research.ua.edu/2008/08/growing-whe...re-grow-before/ I had no impression that this product is 'rshed'. It has been over a year since the initial 'release' was announced. I am not a trusting person, I do not think there is anything to it, but I can be convinced......5-9 degress opens up a whole new Dypsisean world.... John Case Brentwood CA Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer "Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 hi john my only point being is that this product is going to be worth millions to farmers and commercial growers let alone back yard gardeners i just find it strange that so far there's been no independent field trials to prove one way or anther if it works or if they have there very hard to track down which again would be a bit strange as surly you would want all this info in the public domain so they all rush out and buy it don't get me wrong if it goes on sale in the UK i will be trying it and i hope it works but like i said i feel its been rushed to get it on sale for winter 09/10 just my thoughts ricky http://doncasterwx.co.uk/"><img src="http://doncasterwx.co.uk/wd/wdl/wxgraphic/wxgraphic.php?type=banner_big" height="80" width="500" border="0" alt="DoncasterWx weather" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahili Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Thanks Mats for showing me that. I had never heard of a Trombone sprayer before. It looks pretty useful for long range spraying, and I like the fact that you can adjust the spray to a mist. the only drag is that you have to move that 4-5 gallon bucket around as you go. My backpack sprayer is down right now, but you could use this for spraying roundup as well, and its cheaper to buy than a backpack sprayer. Its been my experience that fixing backpack sprayers suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmdudetx Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Regarding the product that Kahili mentioned, Freeze-Pruf. It is listed as giving protection of 2.2f up to 9.4f. However, it depends on the type of plant. The amount of protection given is related to the plant variety. As far as the cost, I am sure that it will be rather expensive, as the other products carried by this company are Living in a zone that can have some cold winter temps, I intend to bite the bullet and try some, providing that I am able to locate it. MGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Something to contemplate: Usually when something sounds too good to be true, its not true Caveat emptor - all over again. Ron. Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) One of our Members here has kindly offered to make a purchase for me here and ship it to Northern Ireland. Is there going to be a problem regarding Customs or DEFRA requirements? What do I need to declare to Customs and DEFRA? Is there an MSDS that I need to attach as well? I have already e-mailed DEFRA asking this and am awaiting their response but I was wondering whether any of the Proffesionals and Experts amongst us would be able to give a Heads Up as to the requirements also. Many thanks. Regards Andy. Edited August 23, 2009 by AJQ Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubTropicRay Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I guess it will be OK for palm seedlings but the large specimens will continue to present a challenge. Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10A Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 So does anyone have any thoughts on what to put on the Customs Declaration when Shipping USA to UK? Many Thanks. Regards Andy. Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolitus Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Everyone, My one gallon bottle came in the mail yesterday. At least it was delivered in an efficient manner. Just FYI for everyone. Manny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidl Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 This product has been around for several years if fact I seen it for sale at least two years ago and maybe 3. I have read that you don't want to get it in the crown or it can affect how the newest frond comes out (if it does) and also someone was discussing fungus problems in the crown. I hope the product works and I have no personal knowledge if these problems are real. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 David, Are you sure you talking about FreezePruf? Supposedly the product has only become available this year. I ordered a gal about 2 weeks ago, but haven't recieved mine yet or any acknowedgement that they recieved my order. Dick 1 Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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