Peter Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Tim, Leon doesn't frequent Palm Talk; he is on BigLeaf from time to time however. San Fernando Valley, California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariscott Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Deplanchea is a good idea in theory Ari, but it is proving to be a tough grow here in Socal. Sorry... I forgot that you grow them in Florida, not Cal... Regards, Ari Ari & Scott Darwin, NT, Australia -12°32'53" 131°10'20" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie_Troy1971 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Acmena smithii Lily Pily are a baeutiful tree http://www.metrotrees.com.au/treehandbook/...na-smithii.html Old Beach ,Hobart Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south Cool Maritime climate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Hey all I am always going to pimp our local forest fever tree. Anthocleister grandiflora Easy to grow and fast. Grows upright and makes an awesome canopy. Evergreen. That almost looks like a Ficus Pseudopalma. I wouldn't even know where to pick up a Anthocleister grandiflora. Looks very cool, though. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 John, there are choices, but one of the limiting factors is trying to find something that will top out at 15-20'. I would say that Moreton Bay Chestnut is definitely too big; also, isn't Khaya Nyasica also a very large tree? Deplanchea is a good idea in theory Ari, but it is proving to be a tough grow here in Socal. I personally love Caesalpinias, both ferrea and peltophoroides, but they will get too large, although the ferrea seems to be a more upright tree. So, what's left? I'm a big fan of Tabebuias; impetiginosa will eventually get larger than 20' but could take awhile, especially if you held back the water(which they don't mind as they're very drought tolerant). There are some smaller Tabs, but they tend to be alot slower growing. One idea might be the cross between impetiginosa and chrysotricha-apricot flowers and they seem to be smaller than impetiginosa. Of course, it will probably be tough to find. I have a few small seedlings but they're a couple of years away from planting size. Another good possibility is Jacaranda jasminoides-the only caveat is that no one seems to know exactly how large it will become. I am guessing that it will top out at about 20' so it might be a really good choice. Much nice than a mimosifolia, as it has broader leaflets, doesn't seem to get ratty in the spring, and has fantastic deep purple flowers. Leon has them for $40 each-I'm growing this one, and there are several others here growing it as well. Len even flowered his in the first year. Stemmadenia littoralis is a small tree that would probably top out in Socal at around 12-15'-beautiful scented flowers and lush foliage. Ron is growing it in San Diego and loves it. You'll have trouble finding one of size however-again I've got some small seedlings but they're a couple of years away from planting. Perhaps a source in Florida would ship one here as they're easily found there. Trevesia palmata is an interesting tree that might work there-it's grown for it's foliage instead of it's flowers. Markhamia seems like it would be a good choice, although I don't know much about it personally. John Rees had a Markhamia at the Palm Society meeting(photos included). That's my 2 cents; no doubt there are other choices but that's all I can think of right now. Thanks for the shoutout, Peter. Those are some interesting options. The Stemmadenia can be gotten here locally and I didn't even think about that. the flowers on that tree are beautiful and fragrant. That look good. I don't mind the tree natually getting bigger than the 20' as long as I can trim it without hurting it. That will be problematic, I suppose, in later years for sure. The Markhamia gets tall, but stays somewhat narrow and I could live with that. RSN has some Stemmadenia and I'm going to check with them. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Tim, Leon doesn't frequent Palm Talk; he is on BigLeaf from time to time however. What's the URL for that? Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnorell Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 If Michelias are too messy for you, then I assume what you want is not based on deciduous habit (since Michelia is an evergreen) but rather a large shrub/small tree with very small leaflets that will "disappear" when they hit the ground. You probably won't want Markhamias due to leaf-drop. Ditto all Erythrinas. Castanospermum is definitely too large for your space, and will also be messy. Tabebuias are deciduous, and they also drop a ton of flowers (a la Jacaranda) and it sounds like that might give you too much litter as well. May I suggest Senna surattensis (scrambled egg tree) or Peltophorum africanum. Both are showy, small trees, both should bloom even in San Diego's cool climate. You could also try one of the Schotias. I would also suggest Caesalpinia mexicana/yucatanensis but these can throw seeds a good distance and you will have volunteers all over, sounds like you want a very "neat" yard so I wouldn't suggest the latter. Michael Norell Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 293 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310 previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariscott Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) What about Mesua Ferrea?? Would that handle the cold? Regards, Ari Edited July 30, 2009 by ariscott Ari & Scott Darwin, NT, Australia -12°32'53" 131°10'20" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 If Michelias are too messy for you, then I assume what you want is not based on deciduous habit (since Michelia is an evergreen) but rather a large shrub/small tree with very small leaflets that will "disappear" when they hit the ground. You probably won't want Markhamias due to leaf-drop. Ditto all Erythrinas. Castanospermum is definitely too large for your space, and will also be messy. Tabebuias are deciduous, and they also drop a ton of flowers (a la Jacaranda) and it sounds like that might give you too much litter as well. May I suggest Senna surattensis (scrambled egg tree) or Peltophorum africanum. Both are showy, small trees, both should bloom even in San Diego's cool climate. You could also try one of the Schotias. I would also suggest Caesalpinia mexicana/yucatanensis but these can throw seeds a good distance and you will have volunteers all over, sounds like you want a very "neat" yard so I wouldn't suggest the latter. Really, it's not the leaf drop that I dislike as the Michelia looks pretty lush all year even with the leaf drop. It's the fact that the leaves don't break down. They are members of the Magnolia family and the leaves just stick around. It is also the volume of leaves that the tree drops pretty much from March through July. I am tired of being out there every day picking up armfuls of leaves. Any tree that drops leaves that decompose easily are fine. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urban Rainforest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 John, I have Khaya Nyasica 5 gal., Psuedobombax Elipticum 5 gal., Peltophorum Dubium 15 gal. and Caesalpinia Ferrea 1 gal. all of which would work fine in your space. LMK if interested. Stevo Urban Rainforest Palms,Cycads and Exotics. Were in San Diego Ca. about 5 miles from the beach on Tecolote canyon. It seems to be an ideal growing climate with moderate temps. and very little frost. Vacation Rental in Leilani Estates, big island Hi PM me if interested in staying there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJG Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Caesalpinia Ferrea is another great choice. It grows narrow and slow. Side note - Castanospermum is not messy at all. Yes it gets big, but it is slow. It is REALLY slow when you cut back to secondary growing points. I agree with you on Michelia. I use to have tons of Champaca trees. I ripped all of them out but one. The leaf drop is massive and the leaves do not break down well as stated. Markhamias drop, but break down and they do not drop in mass like Michelia. LenVista, CA (Zone 10a)Shadowridge Area"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."-- Alfred Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 John, I have Khaya Nyasica 5 gal., Psuedobombax Elipticum 5 gal., Peltophorum Dubium 15 gal. and Caesalpinia Ferrea 1 gal. all of which would work fine in your space. LMK if interested. Stevo Sent you a PM, Steve. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Decided to go with a Stemmadenia litorales. Thanks for all the input and ideas!! 1 Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfeat Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Alberta magna is real pain to germinate. I am sitting on 100 seed and none will germinate. Leon said they were tough. Small plants are difficult too. I lost mine. From being stupid. Also, where do you expect to find Alberta magna in SoCal? Len-- Hawthorne Nursery on El Segundo, near LAX, used to have these in 5s (and 15's?). Been a couple of years since I saw them, but time moves kinda slowly there, so possibly still a few there if you poke around. They also have a growing grounds in Fallbrook; maybe they could bring one down from the LA site? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...Y6NHA5BOQEW6drQ Edited July 31, 2009 by fastfeat SoCal and SoFla; zone varies by location. 'Home is where the heart suitcase is'... _____ "If, as they say, there truly is no rest for the wicked, how can the Devil's workshop be filled with idle hands?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Alberta magna is real pain to germinate. I am sitting on 100 seed and none will germinate. Leon said they were tough. Small plants are difficult too. I lost mine. From being stupid. Also, where do you expect to find Alberta magna in SoCal? Len-- Hawthorne Nursery on El Segundo, near LAX, used to have these in 5s (and 15's?). Been a couple of years since I saw them, but time moves kinda slowly there, so possibly still a few there if you poke around. They also have a growing grounds in Fallbrook; maybe they could bring one down from the LA site? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...Y6NHA5BOQEW6drQ Thanks. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfeat Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Alberta magna is real pain to germinate. I am sitting on 100 seed and none will germinate. Leon said they were tough. Small plants are difficult too. I lost mine. From being stupid. Also, where do you expect to find Alberta magna in SoCal? Len-- Hawthorne Nursery on El Segundo, near LAX, used to have these in 5s (and 15's?). Been a couple of years since I saw them, but time moves kinda slowly there, so possibly still a few there if you poke around. They also have a growing grounds in Fallbrook; maybe they could bring one down from the LA site? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...Y6NHA5BOQEW6drQ Thanks. Hawthorne Nursery is a rather small, family-run place with mainly "the basics," but they're really good "plant people." Be sure to check the "growing grounds" on the south side of El Segundo and go into the propagating houses (ignore the faded 'Do Not Enter' signs) too. Plants I've gotten from them in the past include Rondeletia cordata, Carissa carandas, Vitex lucens. Closed on Sundays, I believe. 1 SoCal and SoFla; zone varies by location. 'Home is where the heart suitcase is'... _____ "If, as they say, there truly is no rest for the wicked, how can the Devil's workshop be filled with idle hands?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ego Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 Is Markhamia Stipulata evergreen? And that Khaya nyasica is such a stunner!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ego Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 On 7/31/2009 at 6:10 AM, epicure3 said: Decided to go with a Stemmadenia litorales. Thanks for all the input and ideas!! how did that go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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