Geoff Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I have several Parajubaeas growing here in inland Los Angeles... have three slightly different plants and all aquired as different plants... but are they really different, or just variations within the species Parajubaea torallyi? The first is supposedly torallyi microcarpum, the second sunkha and the third torallyi torallyi... what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Here are the plants themselves: microcarpum, sunkha and torallyi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Just for fun, here are a few more Parajubaea torallyis in Los Angeles or north of LA- first pic is of pair of Parajbuaeas in Ventura, torallyi on left and coccoides on right; Leland Lais' is second photo, and Barry Osborne (Santa Barabara) is third photo (4 years ago... probably huge now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowow Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Here are the plants themselves: microcarpum, sunkha and torallyi microcarpum and torallyi are variations in same species, sunkha is different species uk home: z9a 750mm/30" annual rainfall no extreme high/low average generally remain cool and gets some hot weather but only for a short amount of time, average 23C summer high. In winter temperatures dont dip very much but dont recover in the day so the average high and average low are seperated by only a few degrees pk home: z10a/b 900mm/35" annual rainfall (mainly in monsoon season 2-3 months) AHS heat zone 11/12. No frost coldest month average low/high: 2008 3.7C/17.3C, 2007 4.6C/21.4C, 2006 5.9C/20.3C, 2005 4.1C/23.1C hottest month average low/high: 2008 23.6C/37.8C high of 41.8C, 2007 25.5C/38.7C high of 47.2C, 2006 25.6C/40.3C high of 45.5C, 2005 28C/42.2C high of 47C Record high:48C Record low -3C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjv Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Geoff I can't add any info but wanted to pass on I luv the pictures! Thanks, those are great looking palms. I have one small P.T. here in San Antonio and can't wait for it to start showing some of it's characteristics. Jv Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotic Life Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I'm just like JV, can't give tou any more information but those are some beautifull Parajubaea's. I have an P. torally var. torally by my own that just started with the first dividing leaf, and I really enjoy this palm at this stage. Robbin Southwest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osideterry Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I've missed the updates on your palms progress since I left the davesgarden forum. Those Parajubaeas have really grown in the past 2 years. To me, cocoides is the only one that looks noticeably different of the Parajubaeas. They get messy looking after going pinnate but before forming a trunk. Almost like mule palms. Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22 7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m) Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C) Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plamfrong Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I have several Parajubaeas growing here in inland Los Angeles... have three slightly different plants and all aquired as different plants... but are they really different, or just variations within the species Parajubaea torallyi? The first is supposedly torallyi microcarpum, the second sunkha and the third torallyi torallyi... what do you think? Really the only way to be certain is to know where the seed was collected or to have seen the seeds. Usually one can't expect subtle crown characters to distinguish between species when such features can vary considerably within one species. I hope you trusted your source for these palms! But correct ID or not, they're still beautiful plants. Sequim, WA. cool and dry January average high/low: 44/32 July average high/low: 74/51 16" annual average precipitation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Geoff, Your photos of the 3 Parajubaea species are the best demonstration I've seen between the differences and seem to verify my observations. When young they all look very much alike, but P TVT is the eaisest to identify. For me P. TVT is the fastest growing and the most robust of the group. It has wider leaf blades and the tomentum on the petioles is a distinct rust color. Mine tends to sprawl while the others are more strict in their growth habits. P. sunkha has thinner leaf blades and the tomentum is more of a silver color. P. microcarpa has a lighter colored rust tomentum and less of it and it also has thinner leaf blades. I checked out my P. cocoides and they have no tomentum on the petioles. They all are somewhat silver on the undersides of the fronds. P. cocoides is definately the most cold sensitive of the group. I expect they all will have more distinct characteristics as they grow older. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 It may be a little premature to bump this thread since we have about 2 months of rapid palm growth left in the northern hemisphere, but this thread has some nice photographs of Parajubaeas. I'm wondering how yours have faired this year. Rapid growth, fatalities, etc? My P. TVT has grown about 5 new fronds this year, and looks like there will be 2 more before the end of summer. Mine has almost doubled in size this summer and the new fronds are over 8 feet long. The base of the trunk is expanding and about as big as a mans thigh. The fronds tend to sprawl and mine looks like an ungainly teenager and takes up a lot of room. It's competing with some Tracheycarpus wagnerianus planted near by, but I'm hoping the Parajubaea will grow taller and shade the Trachs. My inept roomie cut off all the lower green fronds earlier in the summer, but the palm has recovered nicely from being butchered. I'm just wondering how everyone else's is doing? Does anyone have any near blooming? I see Alberto's young plants got nipped by the frost in Brazil, but they seem to be recovering. Any other reports, north or south? Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 It may be a little premature to bump this thread since we have about 2 months of rapid palm growth left in the northern hemisphere, but this thread has some nice photographs of Parajubaeas. I'm wondering how yours have faired this year. Rapid growth, fatalities, etc? My P. TVT has grown about 5 new fronds this year, and looks like there will be 2 more before the end of summer. Mine has almost doubled in size this summer and the new fronds are over 8 feet long. The base of the trunk is expanding and about as big as a mans thigh. The fronds tend to sprawl and mine looks like an ungainly teenager and takes up a lot of room. It's competing with some Tracheycarpus wagnerianus planted near by, but I'm hoping the Parajubaea will grow taller and shade the Trachs. My inept roomie cut off all the lower green fronds earlier in the summer, but the palm has recovered nicely from being butchered. I'm just wondering how everyone else's is doing? Does anyone have any near blooming? I see Alberto's young plants got nipped by the frost in Brazil, but they seem to be recovering. Any other reports, north or south? Dick My herd is thundering, the way Merrrill Lynch used to. Everything's grown well over the summer, and hot weather we had fazed them not a bit, none of them. The biggest are TVTTs, about a foot across at the base. Everyone falls in love. Even the cocoides is starting go pinnate. Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Dave, As I recall you had a walk way issue with one of your Parajubaeas. The trunks do get big as I've learned. Did you fix that problem? Mine is spilling over into my driveway, and they need a lot room, at least when they are young and the fronds grow low and slap you in the face. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjv Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 It would be fantastic to see updated pictures along with growth details... I know there are a lot of us now trying these palms and it would be interesting if we could get updates from across the world. As for mine, I have a P.T. and P.T. Micro which I've only had for a year and are in 5 gallon pots. Unfortunately the P.T. isn't doing that well as it lost it's spear half way through the growing season. Not real certain why that occurred. We did have the hottest summer on record here in San Antonio and maybe that played into it somehow??? I'm hoping it'll recover with time. The P. Micro is growing well and has pushed up a couple of new fronds thus far. I hope to buy a sunkha sometime soon. Let's see and hear some updates.... Cheers Jv Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osideterry Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Jv- Best of luck acquiring that P. sunka. It definitely sounds like a better option for you, from what I've read in other threads. Things could get interesting if my P. torallyi, planted 18" from the sidewalk, grows to look like the second photo in post 3. Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22 7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m) Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C) Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perito Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Here's mine (TVT); Planted- 7-4-06 Today- 9-12-09 Perry Glenn SLO Palms (805) 550-2708 http://www.slopalms.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Here's mine (TVT); Planted- 7-4-06 Today- 9-12-09 Perito,that torallyi is planted very close to that wall!! Have you seen pics of that ´´monster Parajubaea torally´s ?? I think that in near future you have to move the building or the palm.... Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perito Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Alberto, First, it will knock over the fence. Then it will lift the slab and I'll be living at slant . All worth it to have a large torallyi in my garden! ---Perito Perry Glenn SLO Palms (805) 550-2708 http://www.slopalms.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Dave, As I recall you had a walk way issue with one of your Parajubaeas. The trunks do get big as I've learned. Did you fix that problem? Mine is spilling over into my driveway, and they need a lot room, at least when they are young and the fronds grow low and slap you in the face. Dick No, if it spills over, it spills over -- like my beer belly . . . Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perito Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I got a nice photo today of my Parajubaea cocoides in the late afternoon sun. Thought I'd ad it to this thread. Perry Glenn SLO Palms (805) 550-2708 http://www.slopalms.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjv Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Perry, great looking Para C.! Good photo too! Jv Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perito Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Thanks Jv! This one doesn't have any concrete nearby to contend with. Perry Glenn SLO Palms (805) 550-2708 http://www.slopalms.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I'm bumping this thread again because it was mentioned in another thread that the Para TVT middle photo, post#3, had to be destroyed and was reduced to hearts of palm. What a shame, but I can see it would have been impossible to move it intact. Maybe a good lesson for all of us, as Parajubaeas grow to be huge palms and they need plenty of room. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 I shall post some photo's of my 4 Parajubs shortly. I have 2 TVT's and 2 Microcarpas. All have done OK here although one Microcarpa took a hit a couple of winters ago. It is now recovering nicely and is growing nice stiffer Irish Fronds. The oldest TVT has been in the ground for 5 years now since it was a stapped leaf seedling. I have had 5 fronds this year so far but it is still quite small though. Regards Andy. Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestales Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 (edited) All the way up in the rainshadow of washington state. The TVT still grow fine with consistent cool nights. Edited September 26, 2009 by thestales 48 degrees north. Extremes 15f to 95f. Cool and Temperate Mediterranean clime. Average July hi/Lo 72/52 - Average Jan hi/lo 45/38 - Precipitation 20 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Some of my parajubs. First is my oldest one which has been in the ground 5 years from stap leaf seedling. Parajubaea TvT Rgds Andy. Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Next is also a TvT but I have only had it just over a year, it was a larger plant. The second is a Microcarpa, this got some rot around the new emerging fronds from a couple of winters ago as I wrapped it when we had some snow. I reckon It did more damage than the snow would have done. Also the original fronds were stretched and became suseptable to wind damage. the new fronds this year are a lot chunkier and stiffer and robust than the originals. I notice that the Micrcarpa's fronds tend to twist through about 90 degrees where as the TvT's do not so much. Rgds Andy. Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJQ Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) This is my second Microcarpa which was actually sold to me as a TvT. This is a larger overall plant altogether. The distance between the trunk and the wall is 21 inches and the tank 25 inches. I hope that this will be sufficient to allow the trunk to expand OK. Rgds Andy. Edited September 27, 2009 by AJQ Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cikas Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Here are the plants themselves: microcarpum, sunkha and torallyi They all look somewhat different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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