Chambeyronia Macrocarpa

[edric]

Some of you may have already seen this photo, but for those of you that haven't it's a sight to see, Ed

[SouthSeaNate]

Some of you my have already seen this photo, but for those of you that haven't it's a sight to see, Ed

Wow! That's an amazing palm! I had no idea they got that huge, it almost looks like the person in the pic has been shrunk!

[Jeff in St Pete]

Impressive! I've never seen one that tall before.

[Jim in Los Altos]

Wow! Very impressive. Any way of finding out how old it is?

[www.dadluvsu.com]

I think thats about 20 Florida years old... That's about 49.8 years in SoCal and 2.4 years on the Big Island

[edric]

The info I have says this photo was taken at, Ho'omaluhia Botanic Garden.

[BS Man about Palms]

I think thats about 20 Florida years old... That's about 49.8 years in SoCal and 2.4 years on the Big Island

Bill, you're exaggerating again....I think we could get that in So Cal in 30 years....

[Pivi]

in florida it would probably get killed by some of the pests

[www.dadluvsu.com]

pests = HOA's

[Pivi]

i don't get it Will!

[www.dadluvsu.com]

homeowners associations! (refer to Ohana nui thread)

[Morabeza]

Aloha kākou!

That's my photo A friend of mine is hiding his face. I wanted him in the shot for scale.

I can find out how old it is if you guys are interested.

They are easy to miss, but at the Foster Botanical Gardens in downtown Honolulu there are at least two VERY tall Chambeyronia macrocarpa that were planted in 1960! You guys should check those out. They are tricky to photograph however, since they are mixed with other canopy palms.

[edric]

Aloha kākou!

That's my photo A friend of mine is hiding his face. I wanted him in the shot for scale.

I can find out how old it is if you guys are interested.

They are easy to miss, but at the Foster Botanical Gardens in downtown Honolulu there are at least two VERY tall Chambeyronia macrocarpa that were planted in 1960! You guys should check those out. They are tricky to photograph however, since they are mixed with other canopy palms.

Thanks for the wonderful photo Jacob, I was wondering if someone was going to claim responsibility for taking it, Ed

[Wai`anae Steve]

Aloha kākou!

That's my photo A friend of mine is hiding his face. I wanted him in the shot for scale.

I can find out how old it is if you guys are interested.

They are easy to miss, but at the Foster Botanical Gardens in downtown Honolulu there are at least two VERY tall Chambeyronia macrocarpa that were planted in 1960! You guys should check those out. They are tricky to photograph however, since they are mixed with other canopy palms.

Jacob, that looks like some garden you have there in Manoa. Here the weed and silt have piled up in my garden after the December rains. We should get together some day and visit each other. I know there are others here on O`ahu in the "club" we should get to know each other some how.

Wai`anae Steve My gardens

[el-blanco]

I know that tree! These photos are 2005'ish.

[el-blanco]

I have seen this tree many times. Never have seen this one seed. THere is a stand of C. Macrocarpa behind this tree that are really tall. Seeds are all over the place volunteering.

[tikitiki]

How long does it take to start holding that many fronds?

[palmtiki]

I Went to Balboa Park yesterday to see the display that the San Diego Orchid Society was putting on by their members. Afterwards I walked over to the arboretum to look at their palms and cycads since I haven't been there since just before they closed it down to rebuild the arboretum. Over in the far right corner they have a Chambeyronia Macrocarpa that looks to be comparable in size to the one pictured here. The top of the palm isn't too far away from the ceiling It is also currently throwing a huge reddish purple leaf about 8 feet tall standing straight up in the air. Very spectacular looking. Now would be a good time to see it before the new frond changes color to green.

Bob

[DoomsDave]

GREAT PICTURE!

Chambeys get to be as big as King Palms, eventually.

[palman]

These palms, in Florida, are slower growing and seem to look better in part/full shade with low drought tolerance. They are worth the wait indeed!

I have 11 that I grew from seed 4 years ago. They have been planted under a large oak for 2 yrs now and they are about 70cm tall OA. They flush out a new red leaf about 4 times per year and look great!

I guess mine are another 10-15 years from being truly sizeable and eye catching.....I'll wait!

[JD in the OC]

That palm at Ho'omulahea (sp?) Botanical Gardens is not the largest. There is a stand up the road with taller ones! Nice palm tho. Anyone seen a hookeri that size??

[bgl]

Here's one of our taller ones (center in photo #1). It has about 20 ft of trunk. Bought it in late 1995 as a 5G plant. Based on C. macrocarpa that I have germinated and grown up to this size (5G) since, I would estimate it was probably about 4 years old at the time. So, today right around 17 years of age, and it's been adding roughly a foot and a half of new trunk each year after it began trunking. The palm in post #1 appears to have about 12 ft of trunk. That would make it right around 13 years old (since germination).

[Urban Rainforest]

Here's one of our taller ones (center in photo #1). It has about 20 ft of trunk. Bought it in late 1995 as a 5G plant. Based on C. macrocarpa that I have germinated and grown up to this size (5G) since, I would estimate it was probably about 4 years old at the time. So, today right around 17 years of age, and it's been adding roughly a foot and a half of new trunk each year after it began trunking. The palm in post #1 appears to have about 12 ft of trunk. That would make it right around 13 years old (since germination).

Bo, That Macro is a stunner . I'll have to buy some from you next time were out there. I thought I remembered you having a C. Lepidota. If so how big is it and do you have a pic ? Lepidotas are probably slow even in Hawaii .

Stevo

[bgl]

Steve,

I only have ONE C. lepidota, planted from a 4 inch pot in 1997. Actually, I bought two (from Floribunda, $6 each - wish I had bought a few more...), but one of them croaked a number of years ago. Some fungus I think. The survivor is mindboggingly slow. I think it's only about 5 ft tall now. The only photo I have on file is this one of a new frond that opened a year ago. Unfortunately, that's a VERY rare event!

Bo-Göran

[edric]

Here's one of our taller ones (center in photo #1). It has about 20 ft of trunk. Bought it in late 1995 as a 5G plant. Based on C. macrocarpa that I have germinated and grown up to this size (5G) since, I would estimate it was probably about 4 years old at the time. So, today right around 17 years of age, and it's been adding roughly a foot and a half of new trunk each year after it began trunking. The palm in post #1 appears to have about 12 ft of trunk. That would make it right around 13 years old (since germination).

How wide are those Pinnae, it doesn't look anything like mine, or the others I've seen, the seeds I got from Tropical Gardens of Maui, were very large, the size of foxtail seeds, Ed

[edric]

My tree, Ed

[edric]

Seeds, at least one inch long, Ed

[Pivi]

These are mine that i got from RPS last year.

About 3.5 cm long (1.4 inch).

[edric]

Yes, they are the same, but I'm asking everyone why the trees in post #22 look so different from the fist tree posted, and the others I've seen as well, Ed

[bgl]

I should have pointed out that the tall palm on the extreme right in photo#1 in post 22 is a Burretiokentia vieillardii. All the others are Chambeyronia macrocarpa.

[edric]

I should have pointed out that the tall palm on the extreme right in photo#1 in post 22 is a Burretiokentia vieillardii. All the others are Chambeyronia macrocarpa.

This tree, and the one in post no. 1 are the same species? Ed

[bgl]

Well, I can guarantee that the palms in my two photos are definitely C. macrocarps (except the Burretiokentia - as pointed out above). The palm in post #1 does have fronds that are a bit more recurved than what I'm used to (for a C. macrocarpa), but I have to assume the ID is correct.

[edric]

Thank you for your time, Ed

[JD in the OC]

Bo,

I think Daryl has you beat for the slowest NC palm with his Moratia cerifera (Cyphokentia cerifera now?). I think his is older than your lepidota and much smaller...

JD

[bgl]

Not so fast there - I just checked my C. lepidota, and it's barely 4 ft tall (not 5 as I guesstimated above)...

[JD in the OC]

Ha

Ralph Velez's lepidota was purchased around the same time from Floribunda and was barely 2 feet tall when I saw it 2 years ago.

Good show though Bo... good show

[BS Man about Palms]

Ha

Ralph Velez's lepidota was purchased around the same time from Floribunda and was barely 2 feet tall when I saw it 2 years ago.

Good show though Bo... good show

What. You mean this little OLD thing? Its only 12 years old from a 4". Pic taken 1 year ago.

[JD in the OC]

Thanks Bill, that's the culprit

I wonder why it's so much slower than the other chambeys? Elevation? Habitat? Soil?

I think I'll stick with my Kentiopsis pyriformis, which has similar arching leaves and reddish new growth.

BTW, were looking at 35 degree temps here tonight... just like the good `ol days back in Riverside

[MatNC]

Hi all,

Chambeys get to be as big as King Palms, eventually.

As Dave said Chambeyronia mac can be much more taller than the one in post 1. Particulary for the regular form which is (usualy in habit) a little bit thinner but really taller than other forms. I use to see 2 times (and more) the size of that one in first post in habit particulary in the southern part (regular form habit). For sure those are very old Chambeyronia and I agree this one in first post is pretty nice.

Yes, they are the same, but I'm asking everyone why the trees in post #22 look so different from the fist tree posted, and the others I've seen as well, Ed

About different aspects for this particular specie. Don't forget Chambeyronia mac is highly variable. Aspect of this particular subject in first post with those pretty arching leaves is essentialy due to sun exposure. That's common for a Chambeyronia gorwing in full sun.

How wide are those Pinnae, it doesn't look anything like mine

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...t=0&start=0

Those Chambeyronia are showing especialy wider leaflets than other known forms. I said in this topic I saw one from this population growing at a friend place. Here are some recents pics. Very interesting form.

Those pics and this link to show how variable Chambeyronia macrocarpa can be.

These palms, in Florida, are slower growing and seem to look better in part/full shade with low drought tolerance

We are able to grow them in full sun here from a relatively young stage. A little bit yellowish but pretty arching leaves and good grower.

I think Daryl has you beat for the slowest NC palm with his Moratia cerifera (Cyphokentia cerifera now?). I think his is older than your lepidota and much smaller...

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...40&start=40

I rememberd Daryl explaining in this post why his C.cerifera is so slow. Don't have any C.lepidota but know how slow they are and how much difficult to grow they can be. Have one C.cerifera seedling and can say you it's growing.

I always appreciate to see pics from your NC palms Bo, Many thanks for those ones and your comments. It seems there is an Actinokentia divaricata too in your pic with Chambeyronia mac and B.vieillardii.

Mat.

[Utopia Palms]

You have a very good eye for your New Caledonian palms there Mat, I especially like that broad leaf form of macrocarpa, here is an old photo of the Chambeyronia sp Houailou, I think this photo was taken in 95, They did have another name for it then but I cannot remember it you would have to ask Marc.D he might remember this old name? This form held entire leaves for quite a long time, when they had the new red leaf as well they looked quite amazing.

I did mean to answer you back about that Basselinia as well, sorry about that..! It was collected from around 1600m on Mt Panie not from the top, I have been looking for that entire leaf form for a long time now though, I think you would have to be Very lucky to find any seeds on that one especially after that climb..!

Regards,

Clayton.