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Much discussion about warm Non-Tropical area's on the Board.How about those area's that are technically tropical(ie below 23 degrees Latitude North/South)that experience colder than expected temperatures.This,of course,requires Sea Level.

My surprise nominee is Hong Kong,located at 22 degrees 15 minutes.Notwithstanding this Tropical location,32F.is the recorded low.(Freezing in the Tropics?)The average temperature in Jan. is 60.5F.The average temperature of the Ocean is 63F. during the month of Jan.Any other likekind examples?

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On the hills around Hong Kong, particularly in the New Territories, frost isn't that uncommon in the winter months.  Many plants from Hong Kong show a surprising degree of cold hardiness.

Other tropical locations that are cooler than expected are ones that are near or in cold ocean currents.  One example is St. Helena Island in the south Atlantic (which never freezes but is pretty cool for being 16 deg. S).  I grow two plants from this island outdoors in the SF bay area, which is decidedly non-tropical.

Jason

Menlo Park, CA  (U.S.A.) hillside

Min. temp Jan 2007:  28.1 deg. F (-2.2 deg. C)

Min. temp winter 2008: 34.7 deg. F (1.5 deg. C)

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lima perú 12 S.

Enero a marzo: 21 - 29 °C (70 - 84 °F).

Abril a junio: 17 - 27 °C (63 - 81 °F).

Julio a septiembre: 15 - 19 °C (59 - 66 °F).

Octubre a diciembre: 16 - 24 °C (61 - 75 °F).

very cool in winter

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES.

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More research- Tampico,Mexico-22degrees 13 minutes;Freeze in 1895 together with snow.

New Leader-Beihai,China-21degrees 13 minutes;Freeze and snow in 1654!

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Wow, Bubba, really interesting facts about tropical China. I thought Florida was the only tropical/subtropical place plauged by arctic blasts. I guess it makes sense that places in China would be susceptible because of all the Asian continental mass to the NW.

Parrish, FL

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hi bubba, limas on the pacific ocean. its cold there at 12 S for the ocean current comes direct from antartidica.

hi ruskin palms, texas has more problems of cold from the arctic then florida, 12 degrees in brownsville once and 15, 17 and many times in 20s in the last centruy, it is of the same latitude of miami !

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES.

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(bubba @ Mar. 05 2008,06:07)

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Cristobal,What is the elevation of Lima?

City            Latitude     Longitude  

Lima, Peru  12  0 S      77  2 W

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Lima is very cold for sea level that close to the Equator.What kind of palms do they grow?

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(bubba @ Mar. 05 2008,17:15)

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Lima is very cold for sea level that close to the Equator.What kind of palms do they grow?

i find some fotos of lima, heres roystonea

lima perú

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES.

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More research-Tampico,Mexico- Latitude-22 degrees 13 minutes-lowest temperature-27F.

Soto La Marina- Latitude 23 degrees 8 minutes-lowest temperature-21F.

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Cristobal beat me to it!  As soon as I saw the question, Lima was the first place I thought of.  My mom went on an Ecotour to Machu Pichu and the rainforest near Iquitos, and they started off in Lima.  I became very intrigued by that city when I learned how cool and dry it was (though frequently cloudy) for a tropical location.  However, I don't think they get much COLD, just less heat.  The pictures she took reminded me of California, in summer mornings with the marine layer.

China also intruiges me, because of its continental influences.  Shanghai (though not tropical at 31 degrees) has a HIGH of only 45 in January, which seems really cold compared to places on the east coast here at that latitude.

Eric

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There are quite a few locations around the globe the lie in the tropics at sea level and are quite cool. Lima, was already mentioned, Walvis Bay and the whole skeleton coast in Namibia is another.

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La Paz,Mexico-Latitude-24 degrees 4 minutes North- .6c/31F.

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OK, this is not very specific, but looking at the weather maps, I frequently see sub-zero temperatures in northern Africa at latitudes well into what would be classed as tropical.  Also the areas that see 0-5°C/32-41°F, extend many degrees further towards the equator.  Admittedly, this won't all be at sea level, but some of this area is relatively flat and not high altitude.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

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Jose Marti Airport Havana Rancho Boyero ,Cuba-Latitude-22 degrees 59 minutes;elevation-200feet-0c/32F.

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Ascuncion,Paraguay-Latitude-25 degrees 26 minutes;elevation 180 feet;-1.7c/29F.

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It got damn cold around here last winter . Many nights down to 6c and for a lot longer than normal .  :angry:

Many large Lipsticks carked it , as well as tons of Heliconias at a mates just up the road .

I am a good 1000 k north of the tropic of Capricorn .

Have been talking to german nurseryman down near the beach , and he has had some very cold winters that killed large Breadfruit trees several years ago .

I am 18 deg S ..

Looking foward to a warmer winter this year .

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

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Ciuadad Victoria,Mexico-Latitude-23.72;Elevation-780 feet;-6.1C/21F.

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I have been to Lima a few times.  It virtually never rains there, but during a lot of the time it is foggy.  The Humboldt current running up Western South America is very cold and creates the desert conditions running north from Chile into Peru.  On the east coast of South America there is also a cold current, although less cold, running up as far as the state of Espirito Santo in Brazil.  Although Sao Paulo is about 1000 meters above sea level it is quite close to the ocean, about 100kms.  When the wind changes and comes up from the ocean over the coastal range the temperatures drop quickly and the weather turns into a replica of San Francisco in the summer, a cold damp mist and fog.  Although temperatures get to near 0 C sometimes in Sao Paulo on the coast they never approach freezing.  But, the water can be quite cool.

dk

Don Kittelson

 

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Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

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Don,I have Sao Paulo,Brazil at 22.15 South Latitude and a record low of -3.9C/25F.

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Bubba,

That sounds about right.  I used to have some long underwear that I brought from Montana when I lived there.  In the winter your home can get brutally cold.  There is no heat and the exterior and exterior walls are made of brick.  So, once it cools down it stays there.  The longjohns made things more bearable.  It frequently gets down to 10 C and from time to time to around 3 or 4.  I am sure the negative 0 was a very rare event.  But, I did see it at 2 C in 1991.  

dk

Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

82331.gif

 

Click here to visit Amazonas

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Don, This comes from the Extreme Weather website that has data back to 1850.

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hi bubba, can you put the link for the extreme weather web page ?

thanks

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). DESERT BY OCEAN SUNNY DRY. RAIN: 220 MM (8.66 INCHS). BY OCEAN ZONE 11 NO FREEZES.

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Cristobal,The website can simply be found by Googling-Extreme Temperatures around the world.Contains weather information dating back to 1850.

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