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I've got some Jubaeopsis seeds coming from RPS and was wondering how to germinate this one. I've never done this species before, and have heard that it's a hard one to germinate. Any success stories out there?

Best regards

Tyrone

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Tyrone,

I am pretty sure my germination notes are on RPS and on the old IPS forum.  I don't have my notes handy right now.  Had 80% germination from RPS seeds.  Not sure if my technique made a difference or if they were just good/fresh seed.

I used the same technique for Jubaea at the same time and those seeds germinated quicker than Jubaea seeds from the same batch using just the container method.

If you can't find them I can dig the info up and post later.

Robert

Madera, CA (central San Joaquin valley)

9A

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Hello Tyrone,

I've got a batch of these seeds from december from rps and so far only one has germinated, about 3 days after sowing, so I thought things might look bright for the other 9 seeds. Untill today none of the other seeds have germinated. I put these seeds in a chinese take-away tray on top of the germinating soil. I did this the same way I did on the Jubaea chilensis seeds, which all germinated in 2 or 3 months. Of the Jubaea seeds in their tray I have a picture. I hope the rest of the Jubaeopsis seeds will follow soon. I've read they should be kept in warm conditions, so I put the tray on top of my aquarium where the lamp gives off some warmth.

Good luck with them!

Kai

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Amsterdam,

The Netherlands

Posted

Thanks for the comments guys. The seed looks just like Jubaea.

regards

Tyrone

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Just got my seeds. Should this species float at first or is that a bad sign?????

Best regards

Tyrone

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Tyrone,

I had 10 seeds, 9 floated initially, one was still a floater after 24 hours.  None were floaters at 72 hours.  I had 80% germination.  I wouldn't necesarily be concerned about floating if >24 hours, but then again these are reportedly difficult to germinate.

Robert

Madera, CA (central San Joaquin valley)

9A

Posted

Hi Ty

Leave em outside in a warm spot and put a whole pile of leaves over the top of the seed. Make sure the seed is 3/4 buried.....

Should germinate before the cooler weather sets in!

Cheers

Dennis

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

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(PalmsZA @ Feb. 25 2008,01:45)

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Hi Ty

Leave em outside in a warm spot and put a whole pile of leaves over the top of the seed. Make sure the seed is 3/4 buried.....

Should germinate before the cooler weather sets in!

Cheers

Dennis

Dennis, How warm is too warm? I could put them under my patio which gets into the low 40'sC.

Iwan, thanks for your info. RPS said they are fresh from SA and should be good. 90% have sunk 3 days later, but one is being difficult.

Best regards

Tyrone

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Posted

Ty

I would keep them at around 30c in the day....dont worry to much about keeping a constant temp, even though I have had good germination that way, I have had better germination lately just leaving the seeds outside. Put the seeds in a container and leave them under a tree in the garden (semi-shaded). They grow at similar latitude to Perth (although E coast) so I think they will do well over there!

Cheers

Dennis

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

Posted

Thanks for that Dennis. Have you been to Pondoland?

regards

Tyrone

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3 Weeks later I have one out of 10 germinated using the temps mentioned. Low 30's C. I'm real happy cos these are meant to be difficult.

regards

Tyrone

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Posted

Good job Tyrone,

Mine germinated in <6 weeks with at normal household temps.

Robert

Madera, CA (central San Joaquin valley)

9A

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One day later, I now have 40% germination. I'm really happy. They're like germinating an Archontophoenix.

regards

Tyrone

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Hi Ty

I did reply to your question back in Feb.....didnt I? If not I apoligise.

Yes I have been there. It is a lovely area and the local tribe (Pondo) are a freindly and accomodating people. There are many species endemic to that area which is now threatend with a highway project.

Cheers

Dennis

PS nice germination already. The seed must have been fresh off the palm!

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

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I now have 60% germination rate. I think I may have found a secret about germinating this species.

Apart from obtaining fresh seeds I've observed some interesting things about the seed which seem to have an effect on whether they germinate or not.

My method was to place the seed halfway into moist spaghnum moss in some takeaway containers where the temp was around 30-32C. As these are related to the coconut being in that Coco group (like Syagrus, Butia, Jubaea, Beccariophoenix, Lytocaryum) the seed has three eyes running around the outside near the equator. (In this species anyway, the coconut is apically arranged). The embryo will be under one of these eyes. Normally it's a bit hit and miss guessing which one has the embryo under it but not with Jubaeopsis. It basically tells you which one it is. It's the biggest eye. The eye with the embryo is maybe 4 or 5 times bigger than the other two. ( I read that with the coconut for example the female flower has the ability to produce an embryo in any 3 of what would become these eyes. Once it's pollinated the non pollinated eyes goes dormant, but they remain on the nut forever. Occasionally two or three eyes may develop an embryo but this is rare). So the remaining seeds which haven't germinated had there "active" eye put face down into the spaghnum where all the optimum humidity is  and within a day one of them had popped. Those which germinated first, all by fluke had their active eye faced downwards into the spaghnum, or at least were totally covered in spaghnum moss.

That's just my experience, but the large embryo eye was quite interesting to me when I started looking closer. So far this species has not been in the least bit difficult to germinate at all.

Tyrone

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  • 5 years later...
Posted

So where is the update?

They are a very difficult to cultivate in the South Florida climate - plus our crappy soil.

Tyrone - are they still around?

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Posted

Bump! Tyrone - how are they doing? any pic's?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Well, I can't remember how many germinated in the end, and I think I gave a few away, but 7 years on I have one good plant to show for it and I only just planted it 3 weeks ago in a sunny hot spot where I keep it moist. I totally neglected them for a few years and lost a few to not enough sun. I did have two until a few months back. They both got a bit of frost on them last winter, and I moved them and kikuyu grass smothered one and so it got too wet without enough sun. It rotted. They didn't care about the frost though. But the good one has been planted along with some Parajubaea and a Jubaea and so far has been through a 43.1C day without any burning or giving up.

I'll get a pic today and post it up.

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I'm happy to hear one at least one made it. looking forward to you picture. Were they hard to germinate?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

Posted

Here you go. This one has been in this full sun position and seen 43.1C with no burn whatsoever.

They were not hard to germinate. It was good seed I think. I will try this species again.

I would have had more success with the seedlings if I put them in full sun at a younger age. But up in Perth I didn't have the space in full sun so they rotted. It would also be bigger if it had seen full sun earlier in life. But it's happy in this spot and I do keep it moist during the heat of summer.

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Bravo! Lookin great!

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Thanks Tyrone for the update. They are hard to grow here. Keep us posted on its growth rate now that its in the ground. :greenthumb:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Will do Moose. I've already noticed that it's sped up in the ground only after about 3 weeks in the ground. It's been pushing a new spear real quick so it likes that position. It seems to be going a darker green too.

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Posted

nicely done Tyrone, bravo!! :greenthumb:

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Doink!

Progress report?

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3 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Doink!

Progress report?

It has fattened up since my last post, but we had a wet cold winter. The middle spear has come out all dried and shrivelled, but it's still pushing it out fairly fast for this species. I've given it some peroxide and should give it another dose. I don't want to lose it. The good thing is the weather has dried right out and warmed up so conducive to good growth now.

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2 minutes ago, Tyrone said:

It has fattened up since my last post, but we had a wet cold winter. The middle spear has come out all dried and shrivelled, but it's still pushing it out fairly fast for this species. I've given it some peroxide and should give it another dose. I don't want to lose it. The good thing is the weather has dried right out and warmed up so conducive to good growth now.

Can you explain the Peroxide thing again

Posted

Thats RIght :)

Posted
4 hours ago, Tyrone said:

It has fattened up since my last post, but we had a wet cold winter. The middle spear has come out all dried and shrivelled, but it's still pushing it out fairly fast for this species. I've given it some peroxide and should give it another dose. I don't want to lose it. The good thing is the weather has dried right out and warmed up so conducive to good growth now.

I've found them to a be a tougher grow than expected myself.

In the pots, easy. In the ground, not so much.

People love them here, though. Hair (and toupee) pulling fights over them.

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8 hours ago, Tyrone said:

It has fattened up since my last post, but we had a wet cold winter. The middle spear has come out all dried and shrivelled, but it's still pushing it out fairly fast for this species. I've given it some peroxide and should give it another dose. I don't want to lose it. The good thing is the weather has dried right out and warmed up so conducive to good growth now.

Your winter can't be colder than mine. It is simply your soil that it is not ideal in this climate for this palm and probably you have not  mound planted it. I suugest that next one you plant it on a mound, use pumice to fill in hole and place a dripper next to basal part of the palm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

I've found them to a be a tougher grow than expected myself.

In the pots, easy. In the ground, not so much.

People love them here, though. Hair (and toupee) pulling fights over them.

Noooo, can't be so in your garden, where you can grow magnificent royal palms...

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3 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Your winter can't be colder than mine. It is simply your soil that it is not ideal in this climate for this palm and probably you have not  mound planted it. I suugest that next one you plant it on a mound, use pumice to fill in hole and place a dripper next to basal part of the palm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong. Mound planted. It never had standing water around it. It has a mushroom outlet at the base and so far I haven't watered it since last April. I'd say it was the cold humid conditions we've had that has caused an issue.

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I should add that we've had 1100mm of rain this year with at least 80% of that falling in the last 6 months. This is much more than the real Mediteranean would ever experience. The coldest min was −1.3C with a few trips down around zero C. This was the coldest winter in living memory for many old people in my area. Even for Nov we have averaged 8C min to 24.9C max which is really cold at night for this time of year even for here. Nights are often humid and misty, with lots of dew etc etc, and we had a lot of hail, ridiculously strong and cold winds and cold fronts. Foliage wasn't drying out at all. We didn't have enough break from the rain and no drying winds until about 3 weeks ago. It's been really bad. Parajubaea on the other hand look fantastic.

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7 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Noooo, can't be so in your garden, where you can grow magnificent royal palms...

Ohhhh, but it is.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. They don't seem to like riparian conditions (like the royals do); my specimens have fungussed and died.

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Can't be in your garden more humid and hoter than in my cold frame during summer! And Jubaeopsis thrive in there. I would proceed as I have suggested to Tyrone. Two growers in Europe grow successfully this sp in very poor and freely draining soil. One of them lives in a very moist enviroment in Italy, on the banks of a lake near seashore, with typically constantly cold winter, where he can not grow Bismarckia and ... any Butia, because they rot readily, but the Jubaeopsis thrives there  because of the sandy soil...

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3 minutes ago, Phoenikakias said:

Can't be in your garden more humid and hoter than in my cold frame during summer! And Jubaeopsis thrive in there. I would proceed as I have suggested to Tyrone. Two growers in Europe grow successfully this sp in very poor and freely draining soil. One of them lives in a very moist enviroment in Italy, on the banks of a lake near seashore, with typically constantly cold winter, where he can not grow Bismarckia and ... any Butia, because they rot readily, but the Jubaeopsis thrives there  because of the sandy soil...

I don't have sandy soil. Mine is clay, which royals and thirsty palms love.

I suppose I could do the Mound ThingTM.

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Jubaeopsis loves pumice (and osmocote®)!

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1 minute ago, Phoenikakias said:

Jubaeopsis loves pumice (and osmocote®)!

We've ID'd my error!

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