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Sorry I was using my computer must have not done it correctly. I’ll attach a photo below

Just a couple of young palms in the collection waiting to be grown and planted out in the garden in the future some nice ones to have in any collection so the possibilities for the garden in the future at least will have a few new additions added one day.

Hi y’all, just wanted to share some pictures from Roger Williams Park. They have a beautiful botanical garden with many palms and greenhouses. I would recommend anyone with a few hours in New England to visit. If I get any names wrong feel free to correct me. Bismarckia Cocothrinax Phoenix roebelenii Livistona? Find the Trachy View of the largest greenhouse, Phoenix in the back right and Adonidia in the foreground.

One tough cold hardy palm traditionally planted around temples in Nepal so taking a fair amount of cold I figured as a collector I might as well have a few for planting at the bottom of my property in the cold area no frost but still at the bottom of the hill trachycarpus grow well in my climate tolerant of a lot of conditions.

I finished trimming these Cycas thouarsii just in time to make space for a few new flushes.

Please save the date for our next meeting, on Saturday, August 17 from 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m., with visits to two fabulous gardens in San Jose and Los Gatos. This is a rare treat to be able to be able to visit two mature gardens curated by Dave Sylvia and Diane Wotus. These gardens maintain dozens of rare plants, many of which have been cultivated for 10-20 years. For the interested palm tree enthusiast, this meeting should not be missed.  Stay tuned for more information on the gardens and logistics, but please do save the date in your calendars! If you are interested in getting on our email list, please email Caroline at carocjaeger@gmail.com

We all know there can be variation among palms of any species. Years ago I germinated two Sabal minors from separate lots of seeds: 1. Standard Sabal minor. I can't remember where they came from. It is the palm on the left in the first photo and is flowering 2. A Sabal minor purported to be a "dwarf" cultivar from Savannah, GA by the guy who sent the seeds to me circa 2008/09. He has long since disappeared into the ether of cyberspace but the so-called 'Savannah Dwarf' (my moniker) remains in my Garden Lot and it is loaded with seeds. Dwarf or not it is a very handsome Sabal: short, rounded and dark green. It is the palm on the right in the first photo. I think the two palms bring their own distinctive look to the garden so I took the following photos Sabal minor (L) and Sabal minor 'Savannah Dwarf', Cape Coral, FL 2024

Here's mine. R. samba C. baileyana H. lagenicaulis.

Coccothrinax pumila, one day I’m going to regret planting it so close to the sidewalk but for now it looks pretty cool where it is.

It is a nice bit of colour see how they go in the future it’s a pity baileyana are so slow there is one in Coffs botanical garden that is a nice large juvenile stage but a tough palm worth the wait

The genetic lottery is so complicated, especially in any hybrid. I had this discussion with patrix a few years ago regarding his 3 way crosses. He said the options for outcomes , regarding appearance are so complex that it’s almost impossible to tell what the end result will be. I’ve got two mule x yatay crosses that look entirely different.

I purchased these two palms many years back as tube stocks from a chain store as hyophorbe verschaffeltii but I was told they where hyophorbe indica so now more contusion but the trunk is not showing any verschaffeltii traits any information greatly appreciated thanks.

That's the issue I've come to understand. It's not about what the palm can survive, as much as how bad it will look for the next year or two after, because it's just a slow grower and once damage is there, it's not going away. If it's considered marginal in your area, you need to consider the most protected option you can and then maybe it can be a rare win for your locale.

LOL definitely not 20F. I don't think anyone is going to claim these are anywhere near as hardy as even royal palms. Solid zone 10, extreme zonepushing for SC (I like it)! California 24F is a different beast, I would bet a lot of money a mature one is dead dead at 24-25F in TX/FL 😆 I had a C. hookeri in the ground for 2 years, it was slow but not glacially slow...3-4 leaves a year. I protected it below 30Fish. Ironically winter never killed it but the hottest summer on record last year did...a 10+ day stretch of highs 105F+ and 85F nights just cooked it.

We had nearly 20mm of rain today and a top of 16C. So far no frost and the lowest min around 3C. There’s still a lot of winter left so nowhere close to being out of the woods yet, but even the long term forecast shows no real cold frosty weather likely. Here’s hoping.

Wow I would love to hear from actual PT members who have gone thru that. Getting said palm to maturity in areas that see those kinds of lows would seem like a miracle ! T J

Those Indica seedlings are showing some nice colour already. That's a very promising sign. Many years ago, I saw a photo of a Copernicia baileyana and thought it was the most beautiful plant I had ever seen. I bought the book in fact that it graced the cover of and from that minute onwards I was hooked on palms. Peachy

I have around 500 lanonia dasyantha in tubes coming along nicely they seem easy to grow liking my conditions and cultivation technique cold tolerant these ones are from imported seeds I did about 4 years ago with a little age they are starting to show the mottled leaf making them the poor man’s MAPU but definitely one palm I like to grow.

Yes, exactly. Makes the growing more interesting not knowing what you are going to end up with! I bet your yatay mules were crossed with the same two palms at the same time too! I suppose it's a bit of a gamble for cold hardiness in marginal zones but worth it in my opinion. I haven't seen many hybrids that weren't nice looking.

Agree. Or speed for that matter. I got a 3-gal mule from MPOM last year that looked exactly like a small queen. I expected it to take off like a rocket this year but it hasn't done much yet. Maybe it's still working on its roots and will blast off later?

A light freeze under heavy canopy is fine. The cutoff point for H indica in the open is -1C, but it will look ugly for a while if it saw frost on its leaves. They are much faster growing than the bottle or spindle so they outgrow damage a lot quicker. They also need amazingly good drainage. Last year I saw them in habitat growing in an 800 year old lava flow. The soils are thin, with a lot of organic matter, but the underground substrate is full of cavities and hollows, some you could fall metres down if you weren’t looking where you were treading. I used to lose the odd one in pots if the soil got even remotely gluggy. The same soil a Bangalow would thrive in. I now make a special mix for my indicas in pots that sort of resembles an orchid mix but with extra fines in it. They seem to love it and grow quickly in it. I actually think they store water in their big succulent roots, which almost resemble a Strelitzia in style. Strelitzias also have the ability to be quite drought tolerant and like good drainage. In habitat some of the indicas even have the start of stilt roots and you can examine the roots very closely trying to anchor into the thin rocky soil.

My red/southern form H indica has gone from seed to over my head height in less than 3 years and it’s just been through about 10 nights straight of temperatures between 2C and 4C (36-40F) albeit without frost. Bottles and spindles would suffer but the indica keeps going. I’d imagine they’d be an easy grow in the subtropics.

Brahea armata, beachside Santa Monica (by my house).

Some nice colors this morning on these guys.

Just found this, I was super excited and surprised to see a Wikipedia article on the subject. Would love to know if it's a Palmtalker who created the article. According to the edit history it was made in September. Good article, although some of the dates appear incorrect (says the coconut in Newport Beach was planted in 1984 but discovered by local enthusiasts in 1981(?)). It has a picture of the famous Newport Beach coconut and includes an interesting story of how the palm's lean tried to be corrected which I had never heard before. It also mentions 2 of my YouTube videos from my channel Palm Planet of coconut palms in Santa Ana and Del Mar. Let me know if you have any additional details! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_palms_in_California

My Flamethrower spear finally opened today, the first one since I planted it! 429534E8-357F-4436-AC6A-A0E554395F97.heic

Received a good dowsing the last 2 days. 1.15 yesterday and 1.22 today so far.

I was actually a little disappointed to find this flush. My chunky monkey Encephalartos longifolius has never put out any pups... until now. I would have been fine with a subterranean pup that I could remove. No such luck. I prefer the clean aesthetic that it has without this pup, but won't risk scarring the caudex by trying to remove it. Live and let live.

I’ve got one yr old Cop. Macroglossa seedlings for $10 each that I could probably ship, (if interested). Also I should also be getting C macro SEEDs in early August if all goes well. One gallon C. Macro are $15 each, but I won’t ship those. Beachpalms@cfl.rr.com

That’s quite the display. Surprised that they grow so well there. Harry

Yes winter is around the corner some of my small satakentia about 4 have succumbed to the cold wet low soil temperatures up they where bare rooted in the mail so 4 so far is not to bad to start of with. Richard

I had some volunteer wallichia seedlings pop up the ones the rats got to so I beat the rats to this bunch of seedlings see how they go in the greenhouse with the rats now I have traps constantly set preferring not to use poison rat baits with concerns for the food chain in the environment especially the powerful owl a rare owl in my area I prefer to catch and release although they are a introduced animal I still can’t kill them iam to green for that although they are number one enemy in garden it’s just the way prefer to catch and release.

Peachy I wouldn’t say you got it wrong you just didn’t get it right I have two indica seedlings in tubes but do t think they will be flowering any time soon I guess there’s many a debate about what someone says what a palm is or isn’t we all learn something new every day and today I learnt I had verschaffeltii just without the spindle trunk iam more disappointed I don’t have the nice spindle trunks that’s why they where planted around my house. Richard

Starting to think that “traits” don’t equate to less hardy or more hardy.

Yes, it's best to leave the yellowing/partially green fronds on the palm until completely brown especially while it's in recovery. If it grows fast like the majority of mules you'll be pleasantly surprised how quickly it recovers a full crown. In February 2021 I lost a large mule smaller than yours (7 years from a 3-gal) to 9°F and 13°F in consecutive nights but a smaller mule next to it (3 years from a strap-leaf seedling) survived after a trunk cut. The survivor grew to perhaps a foot shorter overall height after one season of growth and almost looked like nothing happened. Neither was protected. Interestingly the one that died was larger, had more Butia traits (burgundy leaf boots and not as fast - still fast...). Doesn't make sense but goes to show the unpredictability. 🤷‍♂️

Those viney looking things are not coming from that palm. I don’t know what they are but the seed could have been spread in the wind or in the any soil you might have added.

3. This is an Areca palm.

I had two, one died while I was still in a pot due to being in too much harsh direct sun. The remaining one seems to be very happy now in ground with partial sun. They grow very slowly but the new leaves are definitely adjusting to the Texas sun. I got mine from Wekiva.

Peachy , I think your tenacity speaks for itself. Life is certainly challenging for most of us , some have more than their share of challenges. I love your sense of “ look on the bright side” attitude with a dose of reality. Keep on truckin’ ….and towing the garden cart around! The visual put a big smile on my face! I read your post to my wife , now we are both smiling, Harry

Doesn’t look like indica to me Richard. I think it’s just a vershaffeltii and just stretched out a bit from being grown in some shade.

Life would be pretty boring if we were all exactly the same.

From our research the ones with the green boots have more Queen palm traits so supposedly they should be less hardy . We asked a few members of this forum to post their mule palms on here as well as giving us some information about their leaf hardiness. So far the ones with the burgundy boots are more cold hardy and the ones with the green boots less . A nursery guy in Jacksonville Florida came up with those facts . We're just investigating further.

It looks to me that this palm has been mostly shade grown until it was planted in the sun. I say this because of the long petioles A month or more is not unusual for a palm to get used to its new environment. Keep watering it regularly and back off on any more intervention for now. The new growth will be different in that it will be more tightly held once established. Harry

Gulf Breeze, Fl. 103F/ humidity 51%/dew point 81%= 128 degrees F.

My best E. Latifrons of the Green Hills form. I've been growing this 38 years from 2-leaf seedling. E. Msinga spiny form 30 year old offset. My first cycad D. Edule purchased 4 inch offset from a florist shop 1973. Turned out to be female. 2.5 feet of fat trunk now in 56 inch pot!

It is bone chillingly 3b unfortunately. We really don’t have a spring or autumn. Our summers are humid and sweltering and our winters..... I grow indoor palms to distract me from Antarctica out my window LOL

Here's mine in So Cal. Its got to be forty feet tall now. It has out grown my 21' telescoping tree pole and my 10' ladder. I don't know how to trim it now. It doesn't have any real bark like skin, so it can't be climbed. Cherry picker is the only way now, but they are too expensive.

Group, Voanioala g. are indeed slow. Those seen below are representative of our stock and are about 5 to 6 years old. Seeds may never be again available unless domestic seeds are produced (decades off). We had a batch of seedlings that survived temps estimated to be above 130 degrees F. when we had a mat fire. They fell into a heap of molten plastic and survived; not one died! So, heat tolerance is a unique characteristic of this rare species. They love being in our hot cycad greenhouse in full sun. See the seed (shown below), which really helps to ID this species when young. They are huge. I suspect Len lost his more to cultural conditions than the tranplant itself. But, they have prominent roots so any snapped big roots might do them in. Phil