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Sorry I was using my computer must have not done it correctly. I’ll attach a photo below

Just a couple of young palms in the collection waiting to be grown and planted out in the garden in the future some nice ones to have in any collection so the possibilities for the garden in the future at least will have a few new additions added one day.

Hi y’all, just wanted to share some pictures from Roger Williams Park. They have a beautiful botanical garden with many palms and greenhouses. I would recommend anyone with a few hours in New England to visit. If I get any names wrong feel free to correct me. Bismarckia Cocothrinax Phoenix roebelenii Livistona? Find the Trachy View of the largest greenhouse, Phoenix in the back right and Adonidia in the foreground.

One tough cold hardy palm traditionally planted around temples in Nepal so taking a fair amount of cold I figured as a collector I might as well have a few for planting at the bottom of my property in the cold area no frost but still at the bottom of the hill trachycarpus grow well in my climate tolerant of a lot of conditions.

I finished trimming these Cycas thouarsii just in time to make space for a few new flushes.

We all know there can be variation among palms of any species. Years ago I germinated two Sabal minors from separate lots of seeds: 1. Standard Sabal minor. I can't remember where they came from. It is the palm on the left in the first photo and is flowering 2. A Sabal minor purported to be a "dwarf" cultivar from Savannah, GA by the guy who sent the seeds to me circa 2008/09. He has long since disappeared into the ether of cyberspace but the so-called 'Savannah Dwarf' (my moniker) remains in my Garden Lot and it is loaded with seeds. Dwarf or not it is a very handsome Sabal: short, rounded and dark green. It is the palm on the right in the first photo. I think the two palms bring their own distinctive look to the garden so I took the following photos Sabal minor (L) and Sabal minor 'Savannah Dwarf', Cape Coral, FL 2024

Please save the date for our next meeting, on Saturday, August 17 from 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m., with visits to two fabulous gardens in San Jose and Los Gatos. This is a rare treat to be able to be able to visit two mature gardens curated by Dave Sylvia and Diane Wotus. These gardens maintain dozens of rare plants, many of which have been cultivated for 10-20 years. For the interested palm tree enthusiast, this meeting should not be missed.  Stay tuned for more information on the gardens and logistics, but please do save the date in your calendars! If you are interested in getting on our email list, please email Caroline at carocjaeger@gmail.com

Here's mine. R. samba C. baileyana H. lagenicaulis.

Coccothrinax pumila, one day I’m going to regret planting it so close to the sidewalk but for now it looks pretty cool where it is.

It is a nice bit of colour see how they go in the future it’s a pity baileyana are so slow there is one in Coffs botanical garden that is a nice large juvenile stage but a tough palm worth the wait

The genetic lottery is so complicated, especially in any hybrid. I had this discussion with patrix a few years ago regarding his 3 way crosses. He said the options for outcomes , regarding appearance are so complex that it’s almost impossible to tell what the end result will be. I’ve got two mule x yatay crosses that look entirely different.

I purchased these two palms many years back as tube stocks from a chain store as hyophorbe verschaffeltii but I was told they where hyophorbe indica so now more contusion but the trunk is not showing any verschaffeltii traits any information greatly appreciated thanks.

That's the issue I've come to understand. It's not about what the palm can survive, as much as how bad it will look for the next year or two after, because it's just a slow grower and once damage is there, it's not going away. If it's considered marginal in your area, you need to consider the most protected option you can and then maybe it can be a rare win for your locale.

LOL definitely not 20F. I don't think anyone is going to claim these are anywhere near as hardy as even royal palms. Solid zone 10, extreme zonepushing for SC (I like it)! California 24F is a different beast, I would bet a lot of money a mature one is dead dead at 24-25F in TX/FL 😆 I had a C. hookeri in the ground for 2 years, it was slow but not glacially slow...3-4 leaves a year. I protected it below 30Fish. Ironically winter never killed it but the hottest summer on record last year did...a 10+ day stretch of highs 105F+ and 85F nights just cooked it.

We had nearly 20mm of rain today and a top of 16C. So far no frost and the lowest min around 3C. There’s still a lot of winter left so nowhere close to being out of the woods yet, but even the long term forecast shows no real cold frosty weather likely. Here’s hoping.

Wow I would love to hear from actual PT members who have gone thru that. Getting said palm to maturity in areas that see those kinds of lows would seem like a miracle ! T J

Those Indica seedlings are showing some nice colour already. That's a very promising sign. Many years ago, I saw a photo of a Copernicia baileyana and thought it was the most beautiful plant I had ever seen. I bought the book in fact that it graced the cover of and from that minute onwards I was hooked on palms. Peachy

I have around 500 lanonia dasyantha in tubes coming along nicely they seem easy to grow liking my conditions and cultivation technique cold tolerant these ones are from imported seeds I did about 4 years ago with a little age they are starting to show the mottled leaf making them the poor man’s MAPU but definitely one palm I like to grow.

Yes, exactly. Makes the growing more interesting not knowing what you are going to end up with! I bet your yatay mules were crossed with the same two palms at the same time too! I suppose it's a bit of a gamble for cold hardiness in marginal zones but worth it in my opinion. I haven't seen many hybrids that weren't nice looking.

Agree. Or speed for that matter. I got a 3-gal mule from MPOM last year that looked exactly like a small queen. I expected it to take off like a rocket this year but it hasn't done much yet. Maybe it's still working on its roots and will blast off later?

A light freeze under heavy canopy is fine. The cutoff point for H indica in the open is -1C, but it will look ugly for a while if it saw frost on its leaves. They are much faster growing than the bottle or spindle so they outgrow damage a lot quicker. They also need amazingly good drainage. Last year I saw them in habitat growing in an 800 year old lava flow. The soils are thin, with a lot of organic matter, but the underground substrate is full of cavities and hollows, some you could fall metres down if you weren’t looking where you were treading. I used to lose the odd one in pots if the soil got even remotely gluggy. The same soil a Bangalow would thrive in. I now make a special mix for my indicas in pots that sort of resembles an orchid mix but with extra fines in it. They seem to love it and grow quickly in it. I actually think they store water in their big succulent roots, which almost resemble a Strelitzia in style. Strelitzias also have the ability to be quite drought tolerant and like good drainage. In habitat some of the indicas even have the start of stilt roots and you can examine the roots very closely trying to anchor into the thin rocky soil.

My red/southern form H indica has gone from seed to over my head height in less than 3 years and it’s just been through about 10 nights straight of temperatures between 2C and 4C (36-40F) albeit without frost. Bottles and spindles would suffer but the indica keeps going. I’d imagine they’d be an easy grow in the subtropics.

Brahea armata, beachside Santa Monica (by my house).

Some nice colors this morning on these guys.

This diminutive Syagrus is planted at the NW corner of our Garden Lot. It is one of many palms struggling with the aftermath of Hurricane Ian and I don't know if it will ultimately survive. However, it was unfazed by the fusarium wilt that wiped out my queens and mules in 2016/17. I have no idea what species or hybrid it is but it puts out enormous 1.5+" fruit. I hope to germinate some of them. Does anyone have some ideas what this palm might be? Syagrus unknown species/hybrid, Cape Coral, FL 2024

I have 10 CIDP (canary island date palm) seeds and im sprouting them. This is a thread to track growth of the palms. Currently they are in a heated box with perlite. When I first got them (June 6, 2024) I soaked them in water for 3 days then put them in the perlite box. It is now June 27 and they have been in the box for 18 days. From what I read it should take ~45 days. On June 21 the seeds had very small layer of fuzz of them so i soaked in water and hydrogen peroxide solution. no more mold... yet. Seeds have been ok now so I will show pictures and update every week or two. Follow topic to get updates of how they are doing and feel free to give me tips on how to grow better. Thanks!

Last winter didn't seem any worse than the previous few, and yet damage to my mule palm was extensive. Because of this, I would consider the mule palm as marginal in zone 8B. It's my understanding that fronds should be left on the plant until completely brown because there is nutrient uptake until that point. As usual, I erred on the side of caution (i.e., procrastinated), and performed nine frondectomies, certain that they were good and dead. The remaining leaves have considerable damage. Only the two that emerged this year are solid green. It looks like it's going to be a long recovery if we don't have another winter like the last one!

A beautiful epithyte well worth growing for the tropical lime green to deep green colour in the garden easy to grow for best growth banana peels with the old tea leaves and a handful of good mulch in the back of them my grandmother used to tell me for feeding them and they like the odd hosing down in the heat tolerant of cool conditions you propagate them by spore or if you have a good source for harvesting the (from where I work on the macadamia trees) just simply remove them from the tree and tie them back onto another plant with whatever material you choose to use with some spagnum moss or a good handful of mulch placed onto the tree or board then tie them so easy to grow semi shade to bright light they will tolerate some sun but prefer not to have hot afternoon sun but a real Australian winner to have in the tropical look garden or rainforest jungle theme.a

A lovely little palm to have in the collection easy to grow just add water and lots of it this one sits in a tray of water in the greenhouse a cool tolerant palm temperatures as low as 2 degrees Celsius I have another 3 planted in my garden planted out as tube stocks growing a bit slower and always wanting to drink water very similar looking to a small Johannesteijsmannia magnifica but a wonderful palm to have in any collection.

That seems to be the consensus and with moderate-heavy foliar damage. Again these palms grow slowww. Like 4-5 leaves/yr in FL and 3-4 in CA in optimal conditions at peak health (not when defoliated or half burned). Not leaf making machines like royals or kings or even foxtails and Adonidia (FL). Wish OP the best of luck but I believe OP planted it within the last few months and it has never seen a SC winter.

I agree - I think 20°F is a stretch. Reports here show smaller palms (5-gal size) dying or very near death at 24°F. These aren't exactly rocketships so a long stretch of mild winters would be required to test this claim.

3 genuine beauties of the palm world! You could get those H indica in the ground as soon as this spring I reckon. They’ll take off.

I think you are out of luck. He was going out of business and selling all his stock a few years back. A friend of mine bought quite a bit of what he had left in stock, but nothing super special and definitely no Encephalartos hirsutis. Sorry about your loss.

Epidendrum lacustra, Panama form. The normal form has the green leaves, but the Panamanian have the colorful maroon leaf undersides. Nice specimen. I have grown them for several years. I hate to admit using the plural, but while they grow great for me for a time, about ever 3-4 years they die, and I have to replace with a new plant. I'm working with a little upstart now that flowered a few weeks ago for its first go round. A different species of Epidendrum here, Epidendrum falcata. I posted the mother plant to this one a little while ago in bloom. The pseudobulbs of this species are easy to knock off when you brush up against it, so I have collected a few to try in other places in the garden over the years. This one was co-planted or hung next to another potted orchid with the pot hung in a stand. Perfect place for the pseudobulbs and leaves to hang down. This is the first time this start has bloomed for me.

@Manalto you got a combination of burgundy boots and plumose fronds. Burgundy boots would be indicative of butia as stated above and plumose fronds lean on the queen side at least from what I've seen. It's a gorgeous palm even in it's current recovery state. Keep us updated

Whisk fern, Psilotum nudum.. Can't tell you where they might have come from, but won't hurt the palm.. Not sure how you'd weed them out from the rootball if not wanted. A lot of folks actually grow these as a specialty plant. https://ucmp.berkeley.edu/plants/pterophyta/psilotales.html

Chrysalidocarpus (most likely) cabadae but lanceolota may still be a possibility. Nevertheless a cool palm:

I just love how you have packed as many palms in as you possibly can but I noticed a bromeliad in there surely that’s a planting mistake when it could be a palm instead of a brom but nice indica as well 3 years old fast as 😁

That soil was definitely too close to the top of the pot. It appears to be better now , allowing for decent watering. It seems it was potted in a hurry . After you’ve had it a while and it shows growth , you could repot . Over here they grow like weeds and can fill a pot quickly. Your environment is much different than mine , just keep an eye on the drain holes on the bottom to make sure it doesn’t get root bound. Harry

That’s not an indica. It’s a stretched verschafeltia. Hyophorbe indica should grow awesome for you. I can grow them here. Both forms are awesome and more of a rainforest palm than the bottle and spindle which in the wild grow on small islands on the coast.

Now Encephalartos princeps collars and leaflet insertion pattern. Big collars again like lehmanii, but the Venetian Blind insertion again which longifolius shares.

Cone and flush on a Cycas multifrondis clump

My experience with Rhapis palms is that it just takes a long time to recover from any shock. When I divide mine for control , it can take 4 months for the separated pup to start growing again . They don’t defoliate though , they just seem dormant for a while. Harry

For $51 😂

Another giant, this Macrozamia johnsonii was started from seed over 20 (25?) years ago. Patience is certainly the key as these plants will sit nearly unchanged above the soil surface for many years before exploding into growth. Already dwarfing other cycads in the garden, this specimen is still a pup.

A few days ago:

Honestly, I haven't done much with this tree since it started growing and it's made this far without me so I don't want to do anything too much to disturb it. A problem since it's gotten bigger is that the smaller palm's fronds shoot up into the bigger palm, any tips on how to manage this? Also, how much of the dying fronds can you trim off? Is it okay once they start to droop? I just want it look better without the sagging & brown fronds.

Thank You Jastin for showing us here in Southern California what is possible. Here are pictures of mine planted out straight away from a FB 1 gallon. Two Winters in ground third upcoming.

Thanks for the picture. I wonder if it will be any bigger in the 18 months since the picture was taken. I wonder if they ever speed up their growth rate, because if they grow as slow as they do when young, it'll be a while before we see any seeding in cultivation. Coupled with the fact that seeds are now illegal to export, in 10 or 20 years this species will cost a whole lot of money.

Finally found this photo I took at the Sullivan garden about 18 months ago and thought I'd post it. It's a beauty.