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Some nice colors this morning on these guys.

Bought as Dypsis Lanceolata x Lutescens but not sure about that. The 2nd boot in a month just fell off exposing some cool color. This was a tiny 5G the size of a broomstick 3yrs ago. (Tied up so not to overhang the walkway) -dale

A nice little surprise this afternoon finding some self sown wallichia densifolia seedlings next to the parent plant the rats did get into the seeds before I could harvest them even with protection they still got sone off the seeds but they didn’t travel far away to eat them or dropping them with some germinating i will transplant them into some tubes to get a few more for the garden.

Ulithi the winter equinox just passed the garden has tucked itself in for the next few months of cool weather conditions so far the garden has faired well with the new plantings but a few more months of cold might change that with some cold damage on some of the new plantings but it’s not as cold Tasmania so that’s one good thing.

Nova Scotia is simply too cold in winter and too cool in summer. Take this from a Canadian. They will only ever survive with extensive protection. Only two spots have the capability of growing palms, that being the SW coast of BC and and associated islands, and SW Ontario which is still real dicey. In SW Ontario (zone 7), the only palms with a chance of success are Needles and Sabal minor, but a long cold spell will kill them. So realistically in Ontario they will need some sort of protection. Take this from a former Ontario palm grower. Monthly weather averages for Halifax - no palm can survive this.

Mine are in full sun with no issues, I’m sure your new flush will be sun tolerant and look great. I find D. Spinulosum to be one of the faster growing Dioon under the right conditions. Here’s one I planted about 20 years ago.

This Coccothrinax boschiana caught my eye today. I love the silvery white color under the leaves and the fibrous leaf sheaths.

Here's mine at 18 months old. Leaflets are noticeably larger than any of the other Sabal sp I have grown. The larger seeds are pointed out in the second photo. (1 gal. pot)

One tough tree that certainly gives the tropical look is the yellow loquat tree with its sweet tasting yellow fruit a great shade tree for a tough location this one is planted virtually in sandstone rocks in a pocket of soil in a dry location and it loves it there a wonderful bird attracting tree.

In So Cal, King Kong is a very common name for Caryota gigas/obtusa.

Like @Tyrone says oleracea has a flatter leaf arrangement. This is oleracea This is regia

A interesting read.. Wonder if planting any against the south facing side of a tall building rather than out where fully exposed might change outcomes.. Have to say i found the " we have heat waves " mention funny though .. Heatwave in Nova Scotia sounds like a " warm " day spent in Half Moon Bay or San Francisco = i'd probably still be freezing, lol.

A few months ago I was fortunate enough to get my little cultivation fingers on some oraniopsis appendiculata seeds I was told that they dislike root disturbance so as they appear I will transplant them into deep forest tubes for optimal root development in deep tubes one slow Australian growing palm well worth growing bottom heating at around 26 degrees Celsius with low temperatures of 22 degrees so not a lot of heat but warm none the less they are just begging to appear so iam expecting a few more over the next few months time will tell.

Every winter I've been here in Las Cruces it has gotten to 16-18F at least once. A few years get to only the low 20's, as do a few years closer to 0F or even below. I posted something that compared to Tucson on this thread, somewhere. Also, a daytime high below 50 is rare, but below 40F very rare. Combine that with all the warm sunshine here, even 65+ low temps each winter below 32F, and we can grow some nice, though limited varieties, of palms. Feb 2011 was the last generational freeze, where it stayed below 32F (day and night) for over 75 consecutive hours in town. Like up in ABQ, terrain and elevation really can matter on low temperature nightly, as well as the growing season in Las Cruces. Welcome to Las Cruces!

These two poles among the palmage at ANSG:

@ahosey01 one thing I've noticed is that areas seem to get "groups" infected all at about the same time. This may be in group plantings, like the apartment complex ~2 miles from my house. They planted 5 Sylvestris and 4 out of 5 almost immediately started showing signs of LB...and died 3 or 4 months later. Most likely they were infected prior to planting. The complex replaced the 4 dead ones with 4 new ones...and they promptly died 3-4 months later. This was, maybe not coincidentally, the first batch of Sylvestris in my area dying from apparent LB. A year later they are dying all over the place. Oddly enough all the Dactylifera on the highway are infected and dying, but a car stealership about a half mile away has ~20 Dactylifera with zero visible symptoms. One important thing to note is that leafhoppers don't just sit in one place under one tree. The research shows that they can feed on one tree for a while, get the LB into their digestive tract, and then feed on another tree and spread it. So there doesn't need to be a complete life cycle. Likewise, the leafhoppers sometimes take a ride on landscaper trucks. So if a crew is trimming one batch of infected palms they might transport trimmed fronds AND leafhoppers in the truck to their next job. To me this seems like a really easy explanation for why all the highway Dactylifera and Sylvestris are all dying at the same time. I'd also note that I was unable to find any published study disproving the "transmissable by contaminated pruning tools" idea for either LB or LY. There's a great Youtube talk on LB from one of the UFL scientists where he details the studies proving it can be transmitted by leafhoppers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJIkxxJzJ4 I'd love to see an actual study showing that you can't transmit it by lopping off an infected frond, turning over to a different plant, and lopping off a frond. I couldn't find one. No doubt...it's definitely brozilla science here.

My neighbors palm is visible from the back windows and yard of my house. To me, this is just right.

El ecosistema del Parque Nacional El Palmar, situado en Entre Ríos, Argentina, es un entorno natural único que alberga una gran cantidad de biodiversidad, entre la cual destaca la presencia en forma natural de palmera Butia yatay. Este ecosistema de palmar es especialmente frágil debido a varios factores que amenazan tanto la biodiversidad general del parque como la supervivencia específica de la Butia yatay. Es necesario y urgente tomar medidas inmediatas y concretas para la conservación de este valioso recurso natural, el cual presenta concretos signos de amenaza de extinción, habiendo perdido mas del 70% de su superficie en los últimos 100 años y sin lograr conseguir una regeneración sostenida desde hace mas de dos siglos.

From what my ever failing memory has left I can remember it is a roystonea but what variety oleracea or regia thanks in advance

An interesting read based in the community of Dartmouth in Nova Scotia, Canada... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/palm-trees-dartmouth-all-dead-1.7226399 Share your thoughts. 6-26-2024

Unfortunately I doubt King palms would tolerate your extreme heat and low humidity levels unless planted in deep shade but even then would suffer since they need copious amounts of water even in cool climates. If you can find Brahea edulis, they are self shedding with age. Slow growers but tolerate hot dry conditions. Mine sheds leaves on its own.

Sean-- Pritchardia pacifica and Pritchardia thurstonii are both in the trade in South Florida and planted here and there. P. thurstonii is far more commonly sold/planted because it is better adapted to year-round conditions in SoFla. There are a decent number of P. pacifica in the Keys, but primarily in Key West. If you walk around Bahama Village and the adjacent Old Town sections, you will spot them (if you look up!). They are also found occasionally around other areas of South Florida, such as the Miami metro, but they have a couple of drawbacks: as Bubba said, they were hit by LY "back in the day," and that stigma is possibly still around (even though LY has greatly decreased); and also they have very poor leaf-hardiness in open positions, where I think repeated dings of around 40F will mar the foliage (that's for P. pacifica only). This makes plantings in commercial/tourist areas not advisable because prime tourist season coincides with outbreaks of cold, and there are far too many other choices that keep a beautiful appearance in a SoFla winter. Even in the Keys, Pritchardia pacifica looked uniformly ragged after the 2010 winter, but most if not all recovered. It would be interesting to hear some anecdotes from Palm Beach County, or from SW Florida or further northward as regards mortality after that awful winter, and I'm sure this has been documented to some extent elsewhere on this forum. The odd thing (there is a recent thread on this subject) is the plant's surprising bud-hardiness. This species was grown from seed by PalmTalk member MattyB in the far cooler climate of San Diego successfully until he decided it wasn't worth the real-estate with its long recovery after the tattered crown post-winter (he created a thread on this palm at the time). I grew it when I lived in the Lower Keys and it grew spectacularly and sailed through 160mph+ Irma and its ocean inundation with just broken foliage (though I had to fix a Boron deficiency that set in a few years later) and I now have a couple of test-subjects here in the desert under broken canopy and it has taken our very common winter nights into the 30s with surprisingly mild leaf-damage. The only thing that makes it worthwhile here is that it is a very fast grower in heat and is able to recover a good appearance by summer, so I find it worthwhile to keep a couple of them around. And I think you'll find that in Florida the only people who plant it are people who seek it out because (as I do) they they love its aesthetic qualities. But as basic landscape material, you're not likely to find this species outside of the Keys, coastal Miami/Miami Beach/Palm Beach and a few other select locations. It is spectacular in Honolulu and throughout the Hawai'ian islands, where it is employed in many commercial and residential settings, usually in mini-groves of varying heights. If you haven't been there and seen it in that setting, you are missing something really fabulous, because it is everywhere, and what an impression it makes...

Don't bother with Pacifica if you live north of the Keys. They are extremely cold sensitive and the leaves cold burn below 50F. I have 2 and every spring I'm sorely tempted to rip them out because they look so terrible. So far I haven't but I am growing other Pritchardia spp as replacements. They are maybe 6-7' tall (not trunking) and never get taller because the winters in Cape Coral beat them up so badly. Beautiful but not worth the space. Try beccariana, hillebrandii, remote, martii, vulstekeana - any HI Pritchardia but leave Pacifica in the South Pacific where it belongs.

A few more flushes around the garden.

Not sure if I got the image to load but this is a pure Queen palm in Wilmington,NC. I bought it at HD in 2012. It has lived indoors in various pots and locations until we moved here 4 years ago and planted it outside. It has survived winters on the south side of the house with the usual Christmas lights and wrapping on the coldest ( 19 deg F ) nights. It is impossible to protect the fronds so they burn extensively but come back as the weather warms. It is as high as the top of the roof now and the trunk is huge at the base. I'm posting it because I think it's notable for it's size at this latitude. The other two large plants are an Angel Trumpet and a Robusta that was about 18" tall 3 years ago.

This new spear on a Coccothrinax moaensis caught my eye today. Can’t wait to get these in the ground.

Interesting - Chamaedorea seedlings are known as a favourite for rodents in my part of the world (Melbourne, Aus). They’ll get at basically anything though if left unchecked from what I’ve seen.

There's a Canadian competition show called "Race Against the Tide," where the object is to build a sand castle as fast as possible before the incoming tide inevitably wipes it out. This reminds me of that. Still, I have to give them credit. Apparently if a windmill palm is lucky enough to have its own "staff" taking care of it in the Canadian winter, it has a chance of surviving a few years. That's pretty cool, I guess. They were out of their minds thinking the other palms would ever have a chance though. I'm surprised the windmills outlasted the needle palm. Maybe the needle was a small specimen and didn't get as much love as the tree palms did. If the town ever tries this again, they should consider planting on the south side of a stone building in the middle of the hottest part of Dartmouth's heat island, which is probably still really cold hahaha. Nova Scotia climate strikes me as more similar to Scotland than Southern Ontario, but I could be wrong when it comes to summers. Either way, I do applaud them. I agree with the guy in the article who said: "There's a long tradition in the gardening world about exhibiting exotic species that people don't necessarily have a chance to go to see themselves," said Austin, noting there are many foreign species on display at the Halifax Public Gardens. "Trying this out in Dartmouth was very much just kind of part of that space of trying to bring something different to people here and spread a little joy. And I think for the time we had them, they did that job."

According to the website 8 year head start 🙄

Here are some photos... Flat of Ptychosperma elegans 15 Gallon Chambeyronia macrocarpa, sun grown 15 Gallon Beccariophoenix alfredii 5 Gallon Beccariophoenix alfredii 15 Gallon Kentiopsis oliviformis 20 Gallon Caryota obtusa/gigas 20 Gallon Clinostigma savoryanum 5 Gallon Laccospadix australasica 5 Gallon Burretiokentia vieillardii 5 Gallon Chambeyronia macrocarpa / Green & Hookeri 1 Gallon Gaussia gomez-pompae 1 Gallon Sabal minor 1 Gallon Macrozamia communis 5 Gallon Dypsis pembana 5 Gallon Aregna engleri Random 1 and 3 gallons Random 1 and 3 gallons 20 Gallon Caryota obtusa/gigas 15 Gallon Kentiopsis oliviformis 20 Gallon Roystonea regia 20 Gallon Howea forsteriana 15 Gallon Dypsis decaryi 15 Gallon Copernicia prunifera 5 Gallon Phoenix sylvestris 20 Gallon Phoenix sylvestris 15 Gallon Livistona saribus 15 Gallon Pritchardia hillebrandii 15 Gallon Chambeyronia hookeri 25 Gallon Phoenix Roebelenii 15 Gallon Phoenix dactylifera 15 Gallon Sabal blackburniana 20 Gallon Brahea armata 15 Gallon Beccariophoenix alfredii 20 Gallon Caryota mitis 20 Gallon Howea forsteriana 5 Gallon Howea forsteriana 15 Gallon Dypsis onilahensis 20 Gallon Archontophoenix maxima double and triple trunks 15 Gallon Caryota obtusa/gigas 20 Gallon Rhapis 'Alicia' 3 Gallon Chamaedorea klotzschiana Community pot of Chamaedorea radicalis Community pot of Livistona chinensis (OVERGROWN) 15 Gallon Rhapis excelsa 20 Gallon Rhapis excelsa 5 Gallon Archontophoenix purpurea (showing Ramenta) 15 Gallon Dypsis sp. 'Lafazamanga' 15 Gallon Dypsis ambositrae 5 Gallon Phoenix rupicola Lots of random 1 gallons 1 Gallon Hyophorbe verschaffeltii 1 Gallon Livistona decora I'll still try to add more pictures as more stuff hits the doorway! Thank you for your time 😃

Inland areas maybe, closer to the coast? seen specimens growing in full sun w/ no burn.. Pretty sure those were getting watered regularly though, which probably helps keep the leaves from burning as easily.. Easy grow here and look great if placed under the high canopy of some native like Mesquite, Ironwood, TX Ebony, or Palo Verde that provides a bright shade break from the sun roughly 11AM - 5 or 6PM this time of year...

Looks like a female. No seeds unless you have a male Chamaedorea palm nearby also.

Cocothrinax barbadensis:

I'd also guess sunburn, @US_Marine. They are ususally grown under shade cloth that filters out 30 to 50% or so of direct sunlight. The odd red-brown blotches are a typical symptom. Cocos will adapt to full sun over time, since they are natively full sun palms. Just expose it to direct sun slower over a period of a couple of weeks.

Your palm has flowered!!👍

I went to my bigger Phoenicophorium in an area that I have not kept up for a while and getting out of control in the wet rainy coast summer weather. It was almost buried by maile pilau, a fast growing invasive vine, that even wrapped around the top leaves at about 12 feet. It took about an hour and a half to clean it up. So, here it is now: Note - like Rick's and Tim's, it has been flowering for a while - I didn't realize it, but no sign of fruit.

My 36 year old mango tree ended up on top of the garden shed thanks to Cyclone Marcos back in 2018 was a supreme effort to clear it all away. But the fact of it landing on the shed means more than half the root ball was intact. So I winched it back upright hoping it might 'take' again and survive.... alas, no it eventually died... shame as it was a sweet tasting Bowen Mango variety.

Lady Palm for the first one, and a Spindle Palm(?)

Update on a neighboring Pritchardia pacifica at ANSG:

Pretty cold tolerant for sure.. You'll see them in similar places in both N.M. AZ, NV. and CA that can experience a hand full of days in the winter in the mid / lower 20s. Usually doesn't bother them much. Keep in mind, when it comes to cold tolerance, duration is a big factor. If it is really dry, plants, inc. palms can escape more severe cold damage than if the cold event is wet. Origin plays a part too.. Any plant that can tolerate drought and heat has the capability of also having decent cold tolerance, vs. something that came from an area where the climate doesn't vary much through an entire year / decade or whatever ...Say the true tropics = always warm / reasonably moist, ..or the Arctic ( Chilly ) / cloud forest mountain tops in the tropics, = often moist and cool ..but typically not cold. Plants from places like that are more likely to be damaged by cold ..or heat.. Las Cruces is one of the warmer spots in N.M. so that is where you'd expect to see them growing. Doesn't mean they can't be grown in some of the cooler spots, would be more of a challenge in those spots though, ..imo.. Since you are newer to the area, great person to communicate with, who knows that area pretty well, is @Desert DAC Obviously, some other great folks out there who can share thoughts on things as well..

This is a Phoenix canariensis or canary island date palm.

This is interesting to me for a different reason. Back when it was called TPPD and it had primarily been seen only in Texas, the general consensus was that groups of palms did not contract the disease simultaneously. Generally, it was understood that a group of palms might catch it - but the way this was done was through a slow process. One would die, then the leafhoppers would have another egg cycle and look for a new host and another would die, and so on. A whole cluster of palms dying at once would have been a red flag that the planting was not dealing with a TPPD infection. That no longer seems to be the consensus opinion but I can't find any evidence that either is true or where opinion changed. Mechanically, however, it does seem strange to me that an entire cluster would catch LB at one time. The way lethal yellowing works (which is supposed to be an LB analog, just a different phytoplasma) is that two hosts must be present - i.e. St. Augustine and a Coconut palm. Then what happens is the leafhoppers lay their eggs at the base of a tree, which hatch and fly up into the canopy and begin to feed. If any of the leaves they bite are connected to the apical meristem, the phytoplasma can enter the palm's circulatory system and the tree dies. It seems suspect to me that leafhoppers colonizing a new area would simultaneously choose all of the palm trees to lay their eggs against, they'd all hatch at the same time and all their new leafhoppers would bite the apical meristems of all the trees right around the same time. Certainly not impossible, but feels like more of an explanatory reach than, say, a string-trimmer-happy landscaper dusting up all the trunks in a specific planting on a Saturday and then they all wind up catching ganoderma around the same time. Idk... this is bro science either way. But I'm still trying to think this through.

You want Mount Elliot the northern limit of cunninghamiana

Is that one real close to Habersham, no the greatest neighborhood, but near the downtown? I remember one at what looked like a rental house split into several apartments.

Iriartea deltoidea flowering….again. Tim

Wow Jonathan. That’s really good of you. Will keep your offer in mind.

Resurrecting this old thread. I really need to try this technique. I trim my tree so much and simply throw away the limbs. Here’s one today I cut off. Bit of a shame. Anyone have any luck? I’ve heard limbs actually surviving is a low percentage. -dale

Chrysalidocarpus Robusta Hybrid size 10 shoe for scale and the largest “doinker” I’ve seen on a palm!

Chiloschista parishii and this Pholidota blooming today

Tell Kris you want a Ficus dammaropsis as well.