My Jubaea

[mjff]

(ania @ Jun. 04 2007,20:22)

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I am not completely sold on the hybrid thing. The palm looks larger in the picture than it really is. It is pretty small.

When will it possible to tell more about it and make sure what it really is? Or do I have another mystery palm, just like my Date that nobody is sure what it is.

Ania

Ania,

When it flowers I think you will have a pretty good idea.  Will waiting another say 20 years present a problem?

I suppose you could have it genetically tested.  Not sure where you could send a sample or how much it would cost.

[merrill]

Hi, ania:

JXB, (JXB)XB and [(JXB)XB]XB all have the characteristic fibrous petioles shown by your Photo 2 in Post 1 of this thread.  My impression is that Jubaea itself has these fibres much less if at all; correction from knowledgeable sources is certainly welcome.  

I have no info on fibrous petioles on the quite rare BXJ etc. reciprocal hybrids.  The only other fibres of this sort I've seen have been on Butia eriospathe, which is unusual in the U. S.  

Another test that might be available later is the number of stamens;  there are a few extra stamens even on [(JXB)XB]XB, and many extra stamens on JXB and (JXB)XB.

BTW, my JXB etc. started blooming in about seven years. 

Best Wishes, merrill

[Nigel]

Pics of Jubaea fibres for comparison.

[palmazon]

"Make me an offer."

[BS Man about Palms]

Danny, aren't you tired yet?  

[Kris]

Dear Daniel  

how old is that jamboo_"Jubea" near which you are standing ?

and it seems to be very healthy since some jubeas & royal's

put out rusty stains on one or two spots..

love,

Kris  

[mjff]

(krisachar @ Jun. 05 2007,10:25)

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Dear Daniel  

how old is that jamboo_"Jubea" near which you are standing ?

and it seems to be very healthy since some jubeas & royal's

put out rusty stains on one or two spots..

love,

Kris  

Kris,

Danny wasn't being rude by not responding in case you were wondering.  I asked him to keep the information about the Jubaea in the photo on the DL (keep it quiet), since I have been considering purchasing it, as well as, another one on the photographer's side of the driveway.

I'm ecstatic to announce that I have purchased both trees, and they will soon be Texans.  Lots of photos to follow in the next few weeks, and at some point the story will appear in the Palm Journal.  My thanks to both Palmazon and Dave from So-Cal for helping me to locate these awesome specimens.  

To answer your question, the former owner of them is 52, and he says that they have been growing there since before he was born, so the trees are at least 52 years old.

My landscaper has been staying at a hotel 5 miles from these trees for the last 10 days because of a family emergency, and has inspected them twice.  He confirms that they are very healthy, and AWESOME!  He estimates the larger one to be about 30 feet planted height.  The other is maybe 4' shorter.

I can barely sleep at night I'm so excited!!!

[Kris]

Dear Martin  

first of all my heart felt wishes on that lovely purschases you made.since even iam a die had fan of this jamboo !

and my suggestion will be do the transplanting & transporting work proffessional done_for 2 reasons those babies would have costed you heaviely and its a beauty by its own right.

so take care in the entire operation.

and now to daniel lewis,its perfectly okay since he is also a

very close buddy.and i like him because he is very critical

on his observation(i do not see many of those kind of guys

around me in my place).

Martin wish you all the best and please i have a request

kindly cover a feature...on the entire jubea removal work,

transportation coverage...that is the digging,lifting and

loading on the truck..high way travel of our jubea..and jubea's arrival at you place once again lifting it digging the

pits of these 52 year old babies.and once again lifting

and putting it using 6 to 8 ton crane and after that monthly

stills on how the leaves are resonding to the transport shock.and how the baby is doing fine in years to come.

so much information you can provide to our memebers.and that thread must become a standard to all jubea transplants !

i hope you will not disappoint us.

thanks & Love,

Kris  

[merrill]

Hi, Martin:

My heartiest congratulations on your Jubaea acquisition!  You can't imagine my disappointment over being unable to grow them here in North Florida.   I look forward with great anticipation to your photos of transplanting these fellows.   Best Wishes, merrill

[palmazon]

To be perfectly honest, our own Peter (guy on the right in the photo) deserves most of the credit (since he piloted me over to see the trees in the first place). Me, I intend to extort some kind of story for the Palm Journal out of the transaction. Right on, Martin - well done.

[Peter]

Congratulations Martin!  When is the move taking place?  I'd be happy to snap a few photos as they are right down the street from me.

[BS Man about Palms]

WOW, just simply, WOW.    A Herculean task to be sure.

[mjff]

Thank you all for the congratulations.

I am having the trees professionally dug and loaded.  The tree movers are supposed to do some testing at the site tomorrow to determine how large of a root ball we need to dig, and determine whether the soil is firm enough to stay together if we wrap them in burlap or shrink-wrap, or whether we need to box them.  I am really hoping we don't need boxes because that will add about $7,000.00 to the cost!  They will also be looking to see if we can use their 40-ton crane or if we need to go up to a 120-ton crane.  Larger crane is about $800.00 extra.

The size of the crane will determine the timing since their larger crane is unavailable this week.  If we can use the 40-ton it is available, and I have a line on a truck that can be there late week.

Peter, it would be great if you could get some photos of the move on that end for the Palm Journal article.  Danny or I will contact you with the details as they become available.

[reinerio1]

Martin:  once again congratulations.  I am glad these babies will be moving to Central TX.   I will be honored if I am allowed to take a peak at these babies once they are planted in your beautiful landscape.  You are the envy of many of us.  Once again, congratulations.  Please, post the transplanting and planting pictures for all of us.  Take care.

[NCpalmqueen]

YOWSER Martin!   Awesome! Congrats!!!  Please do take many photos of the whole process.  

Have jubs that size ever been moved before?  How well do they take such a move?

[mjff]

Ray, thanks again.  For a small fee I'm sure we could arrange something :laugh:

Cindy, click here http://www.goldengatepalms.com/public_html/juby.htm and you can see a 50' tall Jubaea in N. CA being moved.  My understanding is that they are one of the easier palms to move, and take it very well.

[ania]

Martin and all:

I really don't want to dim the excitment but isn't Texas weather bad for the Jubaea? Do you get a lot of humidity where you live? Jubaeas don't tolerate it well.

There was one growing in Moody Gardens but croaked.

The one in San Antonio is supposed a hybrid too, so maybe that's why it  has been surviving.

What do you think Jub experts?

Ania

[mjff]

Ania,

San Angelo is on the edge of the desert with a climate that tends to be very dry during the summer months.  Our average rainfall during July and August averages less than 1 inch/month, and humidity is much lower than the eastern portion of the state.  Dew points here are typically in the low 50's during the summer, resulting in humidity levels during the day in the 20% range.  The climate here is dramatically different from even Austin or San Antonio.  During the summer y'all typically have heat indexes that are higher than the actual temperature, in San Angelo it would not be unusual for the temperature to be 100 degrees with a heat index of 92 degrees.  

For comparison I looked up some climate records from last summer:

Area Trees are coming from: avg high = 94, avg low = 70, and average relative humidity = 51%;

San Angelo, TX: avg high = 97, avg low = 72, and average relative humidity = 50%;

Houston, TX: avg high = 94, avg low = 75, and average relative humidity = 70%;

Austin, TX: avg high = 96, avg low = 73, and average relative humidity = 65%;

San Antonio, TX: avg high = 97, avg low = 75, and average relative humidity = 62%;

Harlingen, TX: avg high = 97, avg low = 76, and average relative humidity = 66%;

El Paso, TX: avg high = 95, avg low = 73, and average relative humidity = 42%;

DFW, TX: avg high = 98, avg low = 77, and average relative humidity = 53%;

As you can see the summer climate in San Angelo is very similar to the locale the trees are coming from.  The climate in South and East Texas is much more humid, which probably accounts for the difficulty you and others have had growing them in those areas.  I imagine people in El Paso and possibly even Dallas could grow them successfully, but I know last year was unusually dry in the Dallas area, so that humidity number might be a little lower than normal.  I seem to recall summers up there being a lot stickier than that figure would indicate when I lived up there.

[Gaston in Argentina]

Wooooow! What a purchase! What a movement to do! That´s because i love the US! where everything is possible! Tonne cranes, heavy machinery.- What a power!.- I offer myself as a volunteer worker.-

Congratulations Martin for the purchase, you are giving to Texas not just one if not two californians jewells

Congra

[ania]

Martin:

Best of luck with the big move then. I hope they thrive. Texas needs to be "Jubaeaized", and we have to give California some competition.

Ania

[Kris]

Dear Friends  

there are lots of roumers & myths about certain plants & palms not surviving in high wet and hot humid areas this

applies to Jubea,Breha Armeta...and in plants dragon blood

tree,in yuccas its joshua tree...so the list keeps growing.

but two palms showed successes in my case..the jubeas and the breha armeta.the breha armeta's is is doing fine.while

the jubea which grew from the seeds was damaged by the suquriels.now the grown jubeas that came from a friend

from italy.its just recovering from travel shock.but is alive..

and seeds dealers have never spoke negative of jubeas or

the breha's growing in wet hot humid climate.so i feel its

just a hype or rummer being spread from mouth to mouth,

without actual experimentation done !

i will keep you all posted on the plants & palms taken for test in out climate..

love,

Kris  

[David N.TX.]

The humidity for Dallas looks about right. However, this is the worst time of year for it. After the rains stop, we will begin to dry out. What does not look right is the humidity for El Paso which does have a couple of Jubaea. There are a few smaller ones in the Dallas area as well. Good luck with your new toys. I would like to come by and see them in September while on my way to Big Bend.

[mjff]

Gaston and Ania, Thanks.

David, The humidity figures were for July 2006.  Contact me before you come and I'd be happy to show them off.

[Guest Keith in Zone 9]

Guys,

I have a Jub planted as a seed back in 1982 or 1983.  It's had a tough life, but now, @ 20 years old, it's about 2' tall.  Now that I live in FL it's having a tough time (it actually did better in a pitiful excuse for a greenhouse in St Louis (20F in winter, 120 in summer, standing in water at times)).  I was going to donate it to Texas A&M, but the last one they planted only lasted a week.  Someone stole it!  Palm psycho I suppose....  Anyway, keep you're Jubs outta sight.  Speaking of Psychos, I got sidetracked.  There is a Jub in Rock Hill SC, a suburb of Charlotte NC, that has endured at least two nights below 10F.  It lost about 1/2 of its fronds at 6F.  I, therefore, believe that it will survive a short stint of Zero F...although I expect most green foliage will be gone.  I also wonder if it would survive two consecutive winters of defoliation.  In Rock Hill, it endures temperatures in the teens nearly every winter.  It has also endured a 2' snowfall, and annual freezing rain storms.  Overall, it's proven to be exceptionally tolerant of crappy winter weather.   The plant is 30+ years old but I can't remember when it was planted.  I think it's been in the ground 15-20 years.

[mjff]

Keith, I would be happy to provide a sanctuary for your Jubaea out here, and may have transportation for it from FL.  I doubt anybody will be stealing mine, doing so would require a large crane and bullet proof vest  ???

[mjff]

Jubaea update.  I have now located 3 more large (6', 8' and 16') Jubaeas that are in need of a new home.  I'm thinking that if there are only two in the area they might get lonely...  

Stay tuned for the next episode of "The Crazy Texas Palm Man"!

[BS Man about Palms]

So Martin,  are you finding these Jubea's at the prices you first hoped, what we said they go for, or somewhere in between?

Bill

(Jubea was my first "true love" palm, thus I have 6 plus some crosses... )

[mjff]

Bill,

Barring some unforeseen expense, the cost for the first two planted in my yard will be under $400.00 per foot of trunk.  Considering that I was figuring $1,000.00 per foot just for the plants...

I'll post a complete cost breakdown after they get here.

[BS Man about Palms]

(mjff @ Jun. 12 2007,21:10)

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Bill,

Barring some unforeseen expense, the cost for the first two planted in my yard will be under $400.00 per foot of trunk.  Considering that I was figuring $1,000.00 per foot just for the plants...

I'll post a complete cost breakdown after they get here.

Good for you. It seems like you've found "enthusiast to enthusiast" pricing.

[mjff]

Bill, more like antique car enthusiast to palm enthusiast pricing.  The seller is into antique cars in a big way, in fact, we are going to have to move two cars to dig the trees.  

I was wrong about the other Jubaeas, there are four (6', 6', 8', and 16'), not three, so if I get all of them I will have you tied at 6 plus some hybrids.  How tall are yours?

[Joe palma]

Congratulations Martin!!! You're really reeling them in man. Great catch.

Definitely have a picture posting of the move and final planting augmentation! Can't wait!  

[BS Man about Palms]

(mjff @ Jun. 14 2007,10:25)

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Bill, more like antique car enthusiast to palm enthusiast pricing.  The seller is into antique cars in a big way, in fact, we are going to have to move two cars to dig the trees.  

I was wrong about the other Jubaeas, there are four (6', 6', 8', and 16'), not three, so if I get all of them I will have you tied at 6 plus some hybrids.  How tall are yours?

Well, I probably have the other guy or you beat on antique or collector cars, I have "7+" collectable cars. 11 total.

I have over 300 palms in pots.......My Jubeas are still small no trunks, BUT hard to find at my "biggest" size. My 2 biggest probably have "trunks" about 12" across.

Too many unfinished projects, if I live long enough I may learn.....