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Lavoixia macrocarpa

John in Andalucia

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John in Andalucia Grand Master

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Thanks Toby, and to everyone following the topic! The seed mix is very sterile, using only mineral water and vermiculite. I haven't detected the slightest presence of fungus.

Well, here's an interesting document I found on the Internet. In vitro culture of Lavoixia macrocarpa (see page 12). It's a fun document full of photos and diagrams. Is this an extract from a popular palm book? I don't know, but it's worth a look. Here's the link to the PDF download (3.5mb): http://www.google.es...uLqlV6nszWgb_ow

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Very interesting indeed, though makes me wonder how good their success rate is. As far as I understand the diagrams they did not actually manage to move the Lavoixia to regular substrate.

Shame about the Pritchardiopsis too, as the seeds are not difficult to germinate but they just wasted how many to not even produce viable plantlets?

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John, that is legendary!

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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I found these photos on flickr:

http://www.flickr.co...ta2000nz/page4/

Thanks Jon, I don't know how I missed that full seedling shot! Here they are together in close up..

Lavoixia macrocarpa

Stem detail: http://www.flickr.co...tream/lightbox/ Full view: http://www.flickr.co...72616/lightbox/

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A quick update on progress. 3 seeds all doing well. Still in vermiculite and putting out roots. You can just see a spike breaking through. The other 2 seeds are pretty much the same, but I really don't like to move them at this point. A couple more months, and I shall think about potting them up.

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A quick update on progress. 3 seeds all doing well. Still in vermiculite and putting out roots. You can just see a spike breaking through. The other 2 seeds are pretty much the same, but I really don't like to move them at this point. A couple more months, and I shall think about potting them up.

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Congratulations, John. Do you plan to take them with you to Peru?

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Wow, they look like something from an alien movie...

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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A quick update on progress. 3 seeds all doing well. Still in vermiculite and putting out roots. You can just see a spike breaking through. The other 2 seeds are pretty much the same, but I really don't like to move them at this point. A couple more months, and I shall think about potting them up.

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Congratulations, John. Do you plan to take them with you to Peru?

Yes. Do you like my earings? biggrin.gif

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well done mate! Have you thought about what medium you will use when you decide to pot them up?

Cheers Harry! My first thought is to add humus to some vermiculite. The germination mix at present is barely damp, so I'd like to grow a couple of strap-leaves in something similarly dry and fast-draining but with plenty of richness. It could be another year before they get potted up into soil. I want a good little bunch of roots on them before I do that.

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Any news here John?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Any news here John?

Progress is very slow, but all three look pretty much the same. The roots are wiry with perpendicular feeder roots. The stem base is likewise similar in form and texture to a Lemurophoenix at the same stage of development. Any connection I wonder?

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Congrats on getting it that far!

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

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Yes John! That spike is fantastic work!!!

Thanks for the update...

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Great stuff john :D

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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So, it's been renamed by the botanists (who have nothing better to do than remove the discoverer's name from the genus and also add to nomenclature confusion) to Clinosperma macrocarpa? That's weird since Clinosperma bracteale is such a dainty palm with entirely different morphology!

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Bump, any update John ?? :)

Bruce

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Well done John. I hope they're going OK. Just don't dig them up to show us the roots. Just the sprout above soil will do.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Now out of baggies and potted up, but I lost the smallest of the 3 to fungus. Here are the two remaining:

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Very cool. Are they in a humidity type chamber?

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

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Very cool. Are they in a humidity type chamber?

Len, they're under 3 litre plastic soda bottle "domes" at the moment. The soil mix is purely humus and vermiculite, and I bottom feed them liquid seaweed.

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Now out of baggies and potted up, but I lost the smallest of the 3 to fungus. Here are the two remaining:

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WOW John, VERY Inspiring stuff,keep it up,well done. :drool:

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Awesome!!!!!!! :D

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Glad you posted those...great work John!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Thanks for the update John, great stuff :D

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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(takes a bow) THANK-YOU!!! I really hope they speed up though. The leaves emerged very quickly but haven't moved much at all (seemingly) during the past fortnight. How will this palm behave? Slow and sturdy like a Kentiopsis, or slow and uncertain like a Basselinia, perhaps? I'll be happier when those little white stems start to toughen up.

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Well done, John! :greenthumb: Thanks for the update.

Randy

"If you need me, I'll be outside" -Randy Wiesner Palm Beach County, Florida Zone 10Bish

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Bumping this again, any further progress John :)

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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Bumping this again, any further progress John :)

Super-slow I'm afraid, Bruce. About 12 millimetres of growth and they've both brown-tipped about 40%. That wouldn't normally bother me, but for the emergent first leaf it's not what I expected to see. I thought they hadn't grown at all until seeing the last photo. They haven't damped-off, that's the main thing. With the most vigorous of the two, the outer sheath of the stem at the base has 2 tiny splits, one on either side and turning brown. I'm hoping it hasn't passed through into the body of the plant stem. I'm no longer keeping them under plastic bottles, and bottom-watering only. We'll see if they're fighters. I'll take more photos tomorrow to compare growth, but they're not as pretty as they were! Still, progress is progress.

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One of my 2 Lavoixia is pushing a second leaf. drool.gif

By comparison, the other plant is undersized with a first leaf that still isn't fully emerged.

Photos in due course. biggrin.gif

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One of my 2 Lavoixia is pushing a second leaf. drool.gif

By comparison, the other plant is undersized with a first leaf that still isn't fully emerged.

Photos in due course. biggrin.gif

SENSATIONAL STUFF JOHN. :drool:

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Great news John, cant wait to see the pics :D

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I thought this was another regular strap leaf, until I poked it and it burst open. Wow! What a cool plant this is going to be! happy.gif

The second Lavoixia is lagging behind, but is showing a green tip down in the stem base, despite the first leaf having died back completely.

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Wow John; well done..

Bret, thanks. I'm feeling more confident that this little gem is going to tough it out like a Kentiopsis oliviformis. An ideally opportunity to specialize in NC palms. biggrin.gif

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Great stuff John, thanks for the update things are looking good :D

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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