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My sophomore year - road to a personal jungle


D. Morrowii

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As I have seen others have done I’d like to start a thread to share and follow my own palm growing experience and progress. Hopefully 10 years from now I’ll have a mini jungle to enjoy and be able to look back at the hits and misses here on Palmtalk. Early 2021 was the first year I became aware of my palm obsession and when I started growing and planting palms. I feel like you get a little extra out of the experience if you grow from seed yourself so I try to do that as much as possible however most of the palms I have were already started.  So last year I purchased a 5 gal Flamethrower and (2) 5 gal Sylvesters which went into the ground and are doing well. I also picked up 2 Buccaneer palms that went into the ground and are also doing well.   In May of last year I discovered Floribunda (through palmtalk) and placed a couple orders. I was so excited when the big boxes of rare palms showed up. So fast forward to last weekend 2/26/22.  I was finally able to plant some of the rare goodies I’d been nurturing in pots all these months. 
 

1  - 3 gal Bentinkia condopanna

2 - 3 gal Neovietchia storckii  

3 - 1 gal Dypsis carlsmithii

4 - 3 gal Loxococcus rupicola

5 - 3 gal Areca vestiaria red 

6 - 3 gal Carpoxylon macrospermum 

7 - 2 gal Pinanga speciosa 

8 - 2 gal Hyophorbe indica red 

I know many of these are borderline here for various reasons and I’ve tried to read and absorb as much of PT community knowledge base as possible but sometimes you just have to try. That being said please feel free to chime in with your experience and knowledge on any of these palms. Post pics of your own successes  especially if your on the coast here in Central East FL. 

 

 

 

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Looks like one heck of a Holiday garden tour ;)

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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2 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Looks like one heck of a Holiday garden tour ;)

If you don't mind looking down the whole time :D

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  • 2 months later...

Added a few over the last couple of weeks.  
Hyophorbe indica red 
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Cyphophoenix nucele

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Vietchia spiralis

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Satakentia Liukiuensis I’m torturing 

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Roystonia regia - from seed about 15 months old.

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Phoenix canariensis - from seed about 16 months old. Planted in the ground as a single strap about a year ago. 
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Dypsis lanceolata 

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Gaussia gomez-pompae
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Normanbya normanbyi with a little bit of trunk showing?

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2 - 3 gal Neovietchia storckii  

3 - 1 gal Dypsis carlsmithii

5 - 3 gal Areca vestiaria red 

6 - 3 gal Carpoxylon macrospermum 

These in particular are pretty difficult palms for FL,  6 needs plenty of water 

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Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

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No Sophomore Slump, @D. Morrowii!  We're expecting you to follow up your All-Star rookie season with a World Series ring! :)

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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1 hour ago, redant said:

 

2 - 3 gal Neovietchia storckii  

3 - 1 gal Dypsis carlsmithii

5 - 3 gal Areca vestiaria red 

6 - 3 gal Carpoxylon macrospermum 

These in particular are pretty difficult palms for FL,  6 needs plenty of water 

I think I may have already killed the Carpoxylon… sigh. I do appreciate the tip and any additional ones you think might help! The Neoveitchia and Areca are both growing well at Leu Gardens so I have hope. 

1 hour ago, kinzyjr said:

No Sophomore Slump, @D. Morrowii!  We're expecting you to follow up your All-Star rookie season with a World Series ring! :)

Hahaha! Well I hope so too @kinzyjr

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Nice collection and appreciate your enthusiasm!

...however, allow me to express my pain seeing palms planted so close to the wooden fence. Yes, they will grow there, but... ?  You must have seen plenty of mature palms and how they gain in girth.  Sorry, can't help myself from noticing.

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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38 minutes ago, Kim said:

...however, allow me to express my pain seeing palms planted so close to the wooden fence. Yes, they will grow there, but... ? 

Agreed. A couple are close but they’ll be fine. But there’s also a couple that seem too close. It’ll be good for years before it’s an issue that needs to be worried about tho. 
 

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

Nice collection and appreciate your enthusiasm!

...however, allow me to express my pain seeing palms planted so close to the wooden fence. Yes, they will grow there, but... ?  You must have seen plenty of mature palms and how they gain in girth.  Sorry, can't help myself from noticing.

 

21 minutes ago, Billeb said:

Agreed. A couple are close but they’ll be fine. But there’s also a couple that seem too close. It’ll be good for years before it’s an issue that needs to be worried about tho. 
 

-dale

Thanks and I also agree. Unfortunately on that side of the house real estate is very limited and I’m trying to use every bit of space that I have. One of my other hobbies rents that area the majority of the time, see photo. Thats why they are hugged up so close. When picking out the palms to go there I did make a list of the ones with narrower trunks. The Vietchia may be the outlier there though. That one may get to 10-11” at the base and its planted 12” to the center. Theoretically there should be a 6 inch gap even when it’s full grown but I’ll have to wait and see. Only the Vietchia and the Normanbya are next to the 6’ fence. The others are next to 4’ fence 16” off of it and should get over in a couple years. I’m kind of hoping they will swoop away slightly before going up. 

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17 minutes ago, D. Morrowii said:

 

Thanks and I also agree. Unfortunately on that side of the house real estate is very limited and I’m trying to use every bit of space that I have. One of my other hobbies rents that area the majority of the time, see photo. Thats why they are hugged up so close. When picking out the palms to go there I did make a list of the ones with narrower trunks. The Vietchia may be the outlier there though. That one may get to 10-11” at the base and its planted 12” to the center. Theoretically there should be a 6 inch gap even when it’s full grown but I’ll have to wait and see. Only the Vietchia and the Normanbya are next to the 6’ fence. The others are next to 4’ fence 16” off of it and should get over in a couple years. I’m kind of hoping they will swoop away slightly before going up. 

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Nice collection but I really hate to see something like this - all of that nice planting space occupied. Sell the boat and you have room for a lot more palms.

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3 minutes ago, aabell said:

Nice collection but I really hate to see something like this - all of that nice planting space occupied. Sell the boat and you have room for a lot more palms.

Thats what my wife said lol! I still have the front, back and other side to plant with much less restriction. I hope to be parking the boat in a tunnel of palms someday though. I’ll probably be complaining about the seeds then. 

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On 5/13/2022 at 11:29 AM, D. Morrowii said:

 

Thanks and I also agree. Unfortunately on that side of the house real estate is very limited and I’m trying to use every bit of space that I have. One of my other hobbies rents that area the majority of the time, see photo. Thats why they are hugged up so close. When picking out the palms to go there I did make a list of the ones with narrower trunks. The Vietchia may be the outlier there though. That one may get to 10-11” at the base and its planted 12” to the center. Theoretically there should be a 6 inch gap even when it’s full grown but I’ll have to wait and see. Only the Vietchia and the Normanbya are next to the 6’ fence. The others are next to 4’ fence 16” off of it and should get over in a couple years. I’m kind of hoping they will swoop away slightly before going up. 

Okay, I get it! You must be related to my SIL, except he has 2 boats. :rolleyes: He also plants close to the fence, despite my urging. 

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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Lots of nice stuff you have there! I wish the best of luck to you in getting your palms to grow well there. Merritt Island is overall a solid zone 10A so you should be able to grow most of those climate wise without too much trouble.

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Parrish, FL

Zone 9B

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

Okay, I get it! You must be related to my SIL, except he has 2 boats. :rolleyes: He also plants close to the fence, despite my urging. 

Well Kim,  I'm sorry I had to pain you! Believe me I toiled over the plantings myself before I finally dropped them in.

1 hour ago, ruskinPalms said:

Lots of nice stuff you have there! I wish the best of luck to you in getting your palms to grow well there. Merritt Island is overall a solid zone 10A so you should be able to grow most of those climate wise without too much trouble.

Thanks! I hope you're right. I'm sure I'll have fun trying in between the heartbreakers that I lose at least...

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I feel like im the youngest here, I have 2 more years before getting out of high school...

I discovered my love for palms in 8th grade, it has only grown since then. I now grow vegatables along with the palms. Growing plants is very addicting.

PS: It was in 8th grade that i actually joined this forum. 

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Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 2 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 2 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 1 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa

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2 hours ago, JLM said:

I feel like im the youngest here, I have 2 more years before getting out of high school...

I discovered my love for palms in 8th grade, it has only grown since then. I now grow vegatables along with the palms. Growing plants is very addicting.

PS: It was in 8th grade that i actually joined this forum. 

I'm the youngest:P

Lucas

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That is a nice collection!! I am really interested in follow ups to learn how they perform in your location.

I know, Kim has it already mentioned, but as long as you still have a chance I would move at least the V. spiralis  a few inches away. Veitchias  are super 

rockets over here and I am afraid within a year or two it might be too late to relocated it. No offense, just my two cents based on my own experience

with this beautiful species. 

Please keep the good work going!

 

best regards

Lars

 

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13 hours ago, JLM said:

I feel like im the youngest here, I have 2 more years before getting out of high school...

I discovered my love for palms in 8th grade, it has only grown since then. I now grow vegatables along with the palms. Growing plants is very addicting.

PS: It was in 8th grade that i actually joined this forum. 

I’m a sophomore in palm growing only! I was a sophomore in high school 39 years ago. So I’m pretty far from youngest member of Palmtalk. It sounds like you guys have long palm growing future ahead of you though. Enjoy!

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9 hours ago, palmfriend said:

That is a nice collection!! I am really interested in follow ups to learn how they perform in your location.

I know, Kim has it already mentioned, but as long as you still have a chance I would move at least the V. spiralis  a few inches away. Veitchias  are super 

rockets over here and I am afraid within a year or two it might be too late to relocated it. No offense, just my two cents based on my own experience

with this beautiful species. 

Please keep the good work going!

 

best regards

Lars

 

Thanks Lars!
i plan to start out giving a couple shots to the riskier palms and falling back to my “safe” list as needed. 

I may look into moving the Vietchia since it is so close. 

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14 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

I’m a sophomore in palm growing only! I was a sophomore in high school 39 years ago. So I’m pretty far from youngest member of Palmtalk. It sounds like you guys have long palm growing future ahead of you though. Enjoy!

Indeed we do. Cant wait to see updates from your soon to be jungle in a few years!

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Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 2 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 2 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 1 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa

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On 3/6/2022 at 4:04 PM, D. Morrowii said:

If you don't mind looking down the whole time :D

:lol:

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End of Summer Update: 

The bad

Carpoxylon macrospermum #1 - dead #2 potted, will wait until next spring to try again. I guess I didn't take any pics. 

Neovietchia storkii #1  - dead #2 potted, will wait until next spring to try again. The wind this past spring really hammered the full leaves. Then it turned black and brown and that was it.

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Bentinkia condopanna #1 dead #2 just put back in the same place.

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The first one suddenly began to put out stunted fronds and then started trying to put them out too quickly. Then it stalled altogether and all leaf tips started to brown and within a week of the tips browning the whole palm turned brown. 
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Hyophorbe indica #1 - hanging on. I thought I had a manganese deficiency so I added some and it helped. Ultimately it still looks pretty sickly though. 

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Loxoccocus rupicola #1 - hanging on - had fungus on last 2 spears. These seem to be susceptible to fungus even the seedlings.  

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Pinanga speciosa #1 - hanging on - sunburn

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All of these accept for the L. rupicola had a light spraying of Ortho ground clear around the edge of the mulch ring (yes I’m dumb lol). 2 blue java bananas were also sprayed, 1  of those died and the other recovered. I hope the cause for all the carnage was that the herbicide weakened these palm and they succumbed to heat, sun and/or fungus. Its also been a tough bug season here this year. Ants, mealy bugs, spider mites, grubs, scale etc have been invading like crazy. I’ll probably take a quick lap around the yard tomorrow morning to try and capture the “good” along with some new additions. 

 

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End of summer update:

The good

D err C. leptochelios loving the 7- 8hrs of sun it gets each day.

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C . macrocarpa still getting sun burned a little but overall getting bigger. 

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H. indica red, some sun burn but otherwise happy.

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C. nucele, I probably should have put some shade cloth over this since it has seen a lot of hot and sunny days in the spot. I think it will survive though. 

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C. gigas looking pretty good 

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N. normanbyi showing off a neat looking trunk

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V. spiralis chugging along trying to look over the fence.

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New addition A. tuckeri
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P. sargentii 17 month's of growth

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D ? lanceolata keeps putting out fronds

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Orange box store coconut growing fast! 7’ tall from the ground to the tip of the tallest frond.

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C. carlsmithii planted from 1 gal. It has taken plenty of very hot sun and never really burned. It puts out a new frond every 4-6 weeks but still looks like a clump of grass.
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C. hovomantsina putting out its 3rd leaf since being planted in the ground. Fingers crossed.
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A vestiaria red under cover of shrubs and a couple of V. arecina so far so good.

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P sargentii weird blue box store specimen. 

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another A. tuckeri ala @PalmatierMegthat I hope will eventually be providing some much needed canopy along with its beauty. 
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B nobilis this was a seed 1 year and 5 months ago.
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S. leukiuensis tattered fronds on their way out fresh green ones taking their place.


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R. regia 1 year 7 months from seed

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S. amara
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@D. Morrowii No sophomore slump here!  Keep swinging for the fence and stay safe during the storm!

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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@D. Morrowiivery nice progress!  Hopefully the random deaths were just due to Ortho Groundclear, though a couple could have just been extended sunburn and never really getting established.  I had that problem with a few seedlings that I stuck in the ground too soon.  They just suffered in the sun and heat of summer and croaked.  A few of mine are still lime green after my dip to 24-25F in January, and might not survive another deep cold snap.

Any input on growth speed on Normanbyi?  I thought of trying this one as a slightly hardier but slower Foxtail replacement.  I lost several double and triple Foxtails at 27-28F with frost, all were around the 6-12' overall height range.  I never bought any Normanbyi because at one point I read they were one of the slowest growers on the planet.  But yours appears to have several new rings and growing reasonably quickly.  Maybe it's not a rocket, but not a slug either?

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2 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

@D. Morrowii No sophomore slump here!  Keep swinging for the fence and stay safe during the storm!

Thanks a lot @kinzyjr You stay safe as well!

2 hours ago, Merlyn said:

@D. Morrowiivery nice progress!  Hopefully the random deaths were just due to Ortho Groundclear, though a couple could have just been extended sunburn and never really getting established.  I had that problem with a few seedlings that I stuck in the ground too soon.  They just suffered in the sun and heat of summer and croaked.  A few of mine are still lime green after my dip to 24-25F in January, and might not survive another deep cold snap.

Any input on growth speed on Normanbyi?  I thought of trying this one as a slightly hardier but slower Foxtail replacement.  I lost several double and triple Foxtails at 27-28F with frost, all were around the 6-12' overall height range.  I never bought any Normanbyi because at one point I read they were one of the slowest growers on the planet.  But yours appears to have several new rings and growing reasonably quickly.  Maybe it's not a rocket, but not a slug either?

@Merlyn, I suspect your over exposure theory might be correct. I probably didn’t give a couple of them enough time to get used to this intense Florida sun. I’m sure at least one or two of them would have done better if I provided some added shade. I’ve since changed my strategy though. Thanks for the input. 
 

As far as the Normanbyi goes its seems to grow at a medium pace. It puts out fronds regularly but it doesn’t gain a lot in height when it does. The new spears are not in big hurry to open either. I think the fact that new growth has been mostly active makes it a fun one to grow. 
 

 

 

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A little spring update and some additions. 
 

Red spicata 

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Aiphanes minima from seeds provided by@NatureGirl June 2021F3DCAA4C-6A3B-4C19-AD04-8D7FBBFC24EE.thumb.jpeg.c29b06a04d7d2bb9ff67e276d062ba8c.jpeg

Obi in 7 gal pot looking cozy tucked in with the bananas and viburnum. 53BDF53E-84D0-4233-A7C2-4DEC12B5026B.thumb.jpeg.a59b0556f1315040165e8cb34f3a1925.jpeg
 

Hyophorbe indica now over 6’ to the frond tips. 
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Chysalidocarpus leptochelios with a tall new spear. 
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@D. Morrowii Looks great!  Noticed the huge clump of bananas in the third photo!  How do you like the Red Spicata so far?

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27 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

@D. Morrowii Looks great!  Noticed the huge clump of bananas in the third photo!  How do you like the Red Spicata so far?

Thanks @kinzyjr! Thats the small clump of bananas btw lol. I took your advice to use bananas as shade and sort of let them run amok….
 

I love the colors on the red spicata! I picked it up from a palm show down South last year. It was in pretty rough shape, infested with scale and mealy bugs etc. Its been in the ground since mid February and looking better all the time.  

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Nice thread! Good to see you trying lots of great palms! will be following to see how they are doing at the end of summer!  

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Pre winter update - in memoriam.
I lost 1 in ground palm this summer and I’m about to lose another. Bentinkia condopanna did the same thing to me again this year. Its ok in the pot and seemed to pop in the ground at first before a quick decline. Hyophorbe indica  red form in the front struggled with the heat and is down to one ratty frond. Taps is playing in the background for this guy.D81829DA-A9A3-4B21-9805-DB9E324210AE.thumb.jpeg.21e3821d9fde8371d54a9028c8b68ba0.jpeg

The one in the back yard struggled also but had more shade and is recovering now. D2FC6824-032F-4957-BEF3-F73DEAE25890.thumb.jpeg.9d8bea317bc780f7c905acccc2a35b45.jpeg
Loxoccoccus rupicola has also been a tough one. It does ok in a pot but slowed way down and was stunted in the ground. I has gone through a rapid decline the last two weeks. Today it looks like this. 62EC8C6A-17CD-40B5-8283-F7DA19B4E4EF.thumb.jpeg.2144a0e541721c61543961bf30b33063.jpeg
I’m not sure what it means but all three of those palms seem to get boron deficiencies regularly and won’t turn green unless I apply EDDHA which I would supplement with Manganese. Heat definitely played a factor though. 

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17 minutes ago, D. Morrowii said:

Pre winter update - in memoriam.
I lost 1 in ground palm this summer and I’m about to lose another. Bentinkia condopanna did the same thing to me again this year. Its ok in the pot and seemed to pop in the ground at first before a quick decline. Hyophorbe indica  red form in the front struggled with the heat and is down to one ratty frond. Taps is playing in the background for this guy.D81829DA-A9A3-4B21-9805-DB9E324210AE.thumb.jpeg.21e3821d9fde8371d54a9028c8b68ba0.jpeg

The one in the back yard struggled also but had more shade and is recovering now. D2FC6824-032F-4957-BEF3-F73DEAE25890.thumb.jpeg.9d8bea317bc780f7c905acccc2a35b45.jpeg
Loxoccoccus rupicola has also been a tough one. It does ok in a pot but slowed way down and was stunted in the ground. I has gone through a rapid decline the last two weeks. Today it looks like this. 62EC8C6A-17CD-40B5-8283-F7DA19B4E4EF.thumb.jpeg.2144a0e541721c61543961bf30b33063.jpeg
I’m not sure what it means but all three of those palms seem to get boron deficiencies regularly and won’t turn green unless I apply EDDHA which I would supplement with Manganese. Heat definitely played a factor though. 

Heat kills some of these palms for sure, or at least severely weakens them.   I notice now that we are getting shorter days, less sun, and nights in the 70s, certain stuff is picking up speed and greening up.   I think it’s actually the constant 24hr heat for months and months.   No real nighttime breaks.  They just can’t get an overnight break to recover from the brutal day temps and sun.  

The other thing, I think, is irrigation water.  I don’t know if yours is like mine, but my water’s pH is 9+.  I already notice some pallor in stuff now that the rains have ended, and I’m irrigating again.   Alkaline lovers do fine, but other stuff that needs acidic conditions seems to suffer when a lot of irrigation is needed, especially in shelly sand base.  All that calcium doesn’t help the boron uptake either. 

I gave up on the Bentinkias.   They popped for a few months, then just sat there, then slowly started wasting away.  There was no point in continuing the torture. 

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45 minutes ago, Looking Glass said:

Heat kills some of these palms for sure, or at least severely weakens them.   I notice now that we are getting shorter days, less sun, and nights in the 70s, certain stuff is picking up speed and greening up.   I think it’s actually the constant 24hr heat for months and months.   No real nighttime breaks.  They just can’t get an overnight break to recover from the brutal day temps and sun.  
 

I agree with you on that, like cold damage I think some of the effects don’t show up right away

The other thing, I think, is irrigation water.  I don’t know if yours is like mine, but my water’s pH is 9+.  I already notice some pallor in stuff now that the rains have ended, and I’m irrigating again.   Alkaline lovers do fine, but other stuff that needs acidic conditions seems to suffer when a lot of irrigation is needed, especially in shelly sand base.  All that calcium doesn’t help the boron uptake either. 
 

@Johnny Palmseed contacted our water co. In relation to the thread I think you started about high ph water and Cocoa Water “shoots” for 9.2. 

I gave up on the Bentinkias.   They popped for a few months, then just sat there, then slowly started wasting away.  There was no point in continuing the torture. 
I will give up sooner or later myself but I just love the way they look! One of my favs for sure. I seem to like the colorful non elegant palms the most.

Whoops looks like I didn’t quote that correctly response in the quote though. 

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On 5/14/2022 at 6:04 PM, JLM said:

I feel like im the youngest here, I have 2 more years before getting out of high school...

I discovered my love for palms in 8th grade, it has only grown since then. I now grow vegatables along with the palms. Growing plants is very addicting.

PS: It was in 8th grade that i actually joined this forum. 

Welcome to the club! I've been into plants since about 1972, more or less.

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Here are some that seem happy at least for the moment. 630A5BF7-D7BA-4C65-A322-4966EC0A2528.thumb.jpeg.ba32e60fd6d51fe720bfda184d723987.jpeg
Gaussia Gomez-Pompae 

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243752A6-CB12-4100-812A-01BBB4022D49.thumb.jpeg.930dd4d6621e18f816b878adf2bf3e9f.jpegThe sargent with some fruit, they seem a Llittle small though. 

3674A0CA-DB79-41F6-8924-CD6FB0107834.thumb.jpeg.6dd733185d7b8a9c9856c96d4fa051d3.jpegCarpoxylon macrospermum has been cranking them out and gets about 4 hours of morning sun each day.

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Satakentia in all day full sun even through the mean summer we had. 
 

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The satakentia looks stunning with the deep green.  I wonder if pH is the issue with the Bentinckia?  Mine is doing well so far with well water that's a little alkaline, but it's still in a pot and only been here 2 months.  It's a favorite of mine so if I have to I will grow it in a huge pot.

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38 minutes ago, D. Morrowii said:

Here are some that seem happy at least for the moment. 

At least we know where the next East Coast location for a CFPACS meeting will be...

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30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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I'd bet the Merritt Island soil is probably one reason the Satakentia and Carpoxylon look so awesome, and might be part of why some others struggled.  Frost killed my Hyophorbe Indica, but they did okay until then.  I was thinking about trying Loxococcus Rupicola, but bought Cyphophoenix Elegans and Nucele instead.  They could do well for you there!

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