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Suspected Jubaea X B. odorata

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Fallen Munk

Purchased a strap leaf seedling about a year ago that was believed to be pure Jubaea.  It's clearly a hybrid with strong Butia influence.  The growth has been phenomenal.  I just potted it up to 15 gallon in less than one year.

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Chester B

Are you going to have room for all these palms?

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Fallen Munk
4 minutes ago, Chester B said:

Are you going to have room for all these palms?

Not a chance.  Gonna grow them all up until I run out of room and then start selling them off.

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Chester B
10 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said:

Not a chance.  Gonna grow them all up until I run out of room and then start selling them off.

I may be your buyer.  I have a feeling I'm going to be moving to a smaller place in the next couple of years, and will have to start all over again.

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Fallen Munk
3 minutes ago, Chester B said:

I may be your buyer.  I have a feeling I'm going to be moving to a smaller place in the next couple of years, and will have to start all over again.

I should have quite the jungle in a couple of years so hit me up when you are ready.

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Jesse PNW

@Chester B that's sad, so much time and effort.  Not to mention money! It seems like there are a lot of us who do the same thing. 

I plan on moving but want to make my own Eden here just in case plans change.  In fact part of me wants to stay.  

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knikfar
4 hours ago, Fallen Munk said:

Purchased a strap leaf seedling about a year ago that was believed to be pure Jubaea.  It's clearly a hybrid with strong Butia influence.  The growth has been phenomenal.  I just potted it up to 15 gallon in less than one year.

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Where did  you happen to purchase this beauty? I live in Raleigh NC and I can't find any Jubaea x butia hybrids. I've seen a few online but those are huge and really expensive. 

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Fallen Munk
28 minutes ago, knikfar said:

Where did  you happen to purchase this beauty? I live in Raleigh NC and I can't find any Jubaea x butia hybrids. I've seen a few online but those are huge and really expensive. 

I got two of them from @matthedlund in Washington state.  I won't mention the price I paid because he did me a favor.  His website is: https://www.wanderlustnursery.com/

 

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NWpalms@206

Looks pretty hybrid, almost even B x J, but I Imagine Matt knows the difference between Jubaea and butia seeds. Did he germinate or did he get them as seedlings? Gotten his opinion on it? 

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Fallen Munk
1 minute ago, NWpalms@206 said:

Looks pretty hybrid, almost even B x J, but I Imagine Matt knows the difference between Jubaea and butia seeds. Did he germinate or did he get them as seedlings? Gotten his opinion on it? 

Yes, I messaged him.  He got Jubaea seeds from one of his suppliers.  I'm assuming they just looked like regular Jubaea seeds before he germinated them.  No complaints here,  it's a beautiful specimen.

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NWpalms@206
10 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said:

Yes, I messaged him.  He got Jubaea seeds from one of his suppliers.  I'm assuming they just looked like regular Jubaea seeds before he germinated them.  No complaints here,  it's a beautiful specimen.

Ya I mean how would you tell if a seed has been hybrid pollinated? I sure as hell wouldn’t know. Right on, he’s a nice guy, figured probably would appreciate the feedback. Definitely a Beautiful palm though, I wouldn’t complain either! Very nice 

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NWpalms@206

I was actually planning on buying one of the seedling jubaeas from him soon, but looks like maybe he’s got a hybrid on his hands. Or some at least. If even the same batch of seedlings. I was at his place a few weeks ago. 

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Fallen Munk
7 minutes ago, NWpalms@206 said:

I was actually planning on buying one of the seedling jubaeas from him soon, but looks like maybe he’s got a hybrid on his hands. Or some at least. If even the same batch of seedlings. I was at his place a few weeks ago. 

He says he has a few seed suppliers and it appears that one of the suppliers must have Butia nearby.  I assume it is hard to tell the seedlings apart until they go pinnate.  I raised this one up for a year until I looked at it the other day and realized it looked so similar to my Patrix hybrids.

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49 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said:

He says he has a few seed suppliers and it appears that one of the suppliers must have Butia nearby.  I assume it is hard to tell the seedlings apart until they go pinnate.  I raised this one up for a year until I looked at it the other day and realized it looked so similar to my Patrix hybrids.

Which is not a bad thing! It would still be 6” tall if it was pure Jubaea 

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NWpalms@206

48 hrs of hybrid vigor lol. Even jubaea dominant hybrids are soooo much faster. JxB over an inch and a half of spear push since wed night. (Sharpie mark)

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Fusca
1 hour ago, NWpalms@206 said:

I mean how would you tell if a seed has been hybrid pollinated?

From what I understand hybrid seeds look just like what the mother palm (listed first in the hybrid designation) would normally produce so there's no way of knowing until it grows up.  So @Fallen Munk is probably right assuming that it is Jubaea x Butia if it is indeed a hybrid sold as Jubaea that was grown from a Jubaea-looking seed.  I think that's one of the reasons for the high price of hybrids - the hybridizer has to go through a lot of effort to emasculate all of the male flowers and also prevent additional unwanted male pollen contaminating the female flowers.  If a mistake is made in the process of producing BxJ hybrids the hybridizer could unknowingly sell a plain Butia as a BxJ.

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MarkbVet
15 hours ago, Chester B said:

I may be your buyer.  I have a feeling I'm going to be moving to a smaller place in the next couple of years, and will have to start all over again.

Damn!   Shame if u gotta leave em behind!   That's why I'm keeping everything in pots for 4-5 years,  despite the urge to put them in the ground; will pot up to larger containers and fertilize 'n water them well in summer, hope to get good growth before I plant.  Once they're in the ground I'm not moving again ever!!   I'll even try to take my sizable Butia odorata with me when I move; should transplant ok I hope, though it will be big in 5 years lol.  

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Chester B
9 hours ago, MarkbVet said:

Damn!   Shame if u gotta leave em behind!   That's why I'm keeping everything in pots for 4-5 years,  despite the urge to put them in the ground; will pot up to larger containers and fertilize 'n water them well in summer, hope to get good growth before I plant.  Once they're in the ground I'm not moving again ever!!   I'll even try to take my sizable Butia odorata with me when I move; should transplant ok I hope, though it will be big in 5 years lol.  

I’m not sure if it will happen but life sometimes gets in the way or alters your course. A smaller house but a bigger yard would be the plan.  I’m almost 6 years at this place which is the longest I’ve ever been at one location since I was kid. Who knows we may even end up neighbors down south. More hot weather means more time outside and I’d be happy with that. I’d bring a few select palms but I’m still young enough to start over with all that I’ve learned at this place. 

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Jesse PNW

@MarkbVet That's where I'm at... I have the opportunity to retire from my current job in 7 years.   I'll be free to move where I want, even South Florida if I so desire.  I wonder how big my Schaefer hybrids and Lytocaryum will be by then. 

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MarkbVet
4 hours ago, Chester B said:

I’m not sure if it will happen but life sometimes gets in the way or alters your course. A smaller house but a bigger yard would be the plan.  I’m almost 6 years at this place which is the longest I’ve ever been at one location since I was kid. Who knows we may even end up neighbors down south. More hot weather means more time outside and I’d be happy with that. I’d bring a few select palms but I’m still young enough to start over with all that I’ve learned at this place. 

Yup if u have time on your side!   Once I move I don't plan on moving again, which is an advantage plant wise.  On the other hand, fewer decades to watch em grow.  Ah well, father time does what he wishes,  I just tag along (and try to not get run over).  

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Scott W
3 hours ago, MarkbVet said:

Yup if u have time on your side!   Once I move I don't plan on moving again, which is an advantage plant wise.  

That's my situation now.  Told the wife I'm never moving again......

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MarkbVet
1 hour ago, Scott W said:

That's my situation now.  Told the wife I'm never moving again......

He-he-he-he-he! :greenthumb:

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