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JohnAndSancho

Hey y'all, 

 

My Washy, Dirty Sanchez - every new frond is coming in shorter and shorter. It's been going on for a couple months now. We haven't had any heavy cold snaps yet - it did drop down to the high 20s for a few hours, but this was going on even before then. Any ideas as to why? It's got some bent fronds from wind, but other than that it's been a pretty solid growing plant until maybe November or so.  I don't over water or over feed it, all the other plants on my patio seem happy so I don't think it's a fungal or pest issue unless it's something specific to Washies regionally. 

 

Thoughts? 

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Jimhardy

They are one palm that likes to be over potted ...with good drainage.

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16 minutes ago, Jimhardy said:

They are one palm that likes to be over potted ...with good drainage.

That was a thought I had too. It's in a 14"  "self watering" pot and it's got roots into the water reservoir. I've got lots of stuff that needs to be repotted in spring. 

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oasis371

I have seen this before in response to cold damage to the spear. Is it possible it's from a previous growing season?  Good news, it that it will eventually revert to normal growth.  I had this happen with both Phoenix roebellini and Butia capitata..., and both reverted, eventually to normal growth.

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1 hour ago, oasis371 said:

I have seen this before in response to cold damage to the spear. Is it possible it's from a previous growing season?  Good news, it that it will eventually revert to normal growth.  I had this happen with both Phoenix roebellini and Butia capitata..., and both reverted, eventually to normal growth.

It was outside during the first snow we got last winter, and it did get snowed on - but it was brought inside for Snowmageddon. After the first snow I wrapped it in a flannel sheet to keep frost out of the growing point. It got the flannel sheet last week when we had the 26 degree temps too. 

 

This makes sense though, since I bring everything else inside when we're forecast for a hard freeze. The Washie is really heavy though, and takes up so much space even though I've got a wheeled dolly under it. Wasn't an issue during Snowpacalypse since I camped out at work for that (I manage a hotel). According to neighbors and friends, these apartments stayed between 37-40 degrees indoors despite the extended power loss. But like @Jimhardy said, it's probably rootbound too. I know the tap root has gone to the bottom of the pot, and I've got 3 or 4 palms outside that are starting to push themselves up from the bottom of their pots. 

 

Thanks for the feedback. Btw I'm in SE TX roughly half way between Houstom and Dallas if that's relevant. 

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rogets395

I misspoke - seedling is in it's third year

The Phoenix dactylifera is Sexually mature Male and  have collected pollen for two years - did not suffer even leaf burn.  Another Dactylifera (also mature male) also did not have any damage but another one just 40 yards away did suffer some leaf burn but otherwise unharmed.  Baby Eophyl single leaf (entire) seedlings from date seeds suffered no damage whatsoever and completely covered with snow (at least four)  Also other baby Washingtonia f. no damage whatsoever.

Should note had also at least 6 seedling Trachycarpus latisectus buried in this snow.  They suffered absolutely NO damage whatsoever.

However I had to dig them up and take them with me when I sold property.  (no way I was letting them go)  and they spent last summer in 120+ temps for weeks on end.

That was far more tortuous for them - burning some of their edges a little... but they are doing well now that it's colder.  (was in zone 8b now in a zone 9a pocket in Nevada)

No worries for Washingtonia but bougainvillea not going to make it. Dactylifera no problem but my Archontophoenix bit the dust even in the shade after too many weeks of 120 plus....

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Jimhardy

Any pics of the Latisectus did they see 17F? That would be some hardy Lattys

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JohnAndSancho

Just to clarify -

 

Is it possible that my Washy is throwing super short new fronds based on me stupidly wanting a pic of it in the first snow sometime between Dec 2020 and Jan 2021? It was inside during palmageddon in Feb 2021 as I stayed at work during the massive freeze/die off event. 

 

Wild that it would take so long to show damage but I'm not a scientist or an expert, I'm just a dork growing plants on his patio.  

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