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Spotted a number of Advocado trees around London as well as some citrus.

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Taste test...

 

A few more...

 

 

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Xerarch

Amazing 

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Chester B

Very cool stuff, what I wouldn't do to be able to grow one.  I recently bought frozen cubed avocado and it does actually freeze pretty well.  It's not quite as good for fresh eating, but as part of a recipe or as guacamole it was decent.  I know there are a couple of cold (or cool) hardy ones out there, maybe I'll give it a go. 

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necturus

Some fruits look like Mexican avocados which makes sense - most cold tolerant. There were some that size in our area prior to the winter freeze. Now they're frozen to the trunk or roots.

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Here are the London citrus trees I have spotted. No doubt there will be a lot more out there lurking. I have no idea what is what? Some look more orange like, others look more lemon like. Some of them could be grapefruit, or hybridised with grapefruit perhaps?

Being right on the street like that you can guarantee the fruit gets stolen, or pulled off prematurely by curious passing pedestrians. Not to mention there are a LOT of parakeets in London now that will feast off them. All of these citrus trees have been there a decade or so. 

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No idea where these ones are located...

 

This tree inside a park is hard to see on street view, but it is loaded with citrus. Possibly a huge Calamondin? It has definitely been confirmed to be citrus.

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Here are some more growing in the churchyard at St. Paul's Cathedral in London...

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Not sure what the hell these trees are..? I thought they were apples at first, but the street views are from September and don't look anything like apples. More like lemons. Possibly grapefruit? Whats all the more surprising is that these are in northwest London, which is one of the colder parts of the city, although still relatively mild overall.

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There's a nice CIDP on that same road as the citrus above...

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I have literally only just started looking for citrus and found quite a few pretty quickly, so God knows how many more are lurking out there around the London metropolis. Any help getting I.D.'s on any of these would be appreciated. 

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6 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

Here are the London citrus trees I have spotted. No doubt there will be a lot more out there lurking. I have no idea what is what? Some look more orange like, others look more lemon like. Some of them could be grapefruit, or hybridised with grapefruit perhaps?

Being right on the street like that you can guarantee the fruit gets stolen, or pulled off prematurely by curious passing pedestrians. Not to mention there are a LOT of parakeets in London now that will feast off them. All of these citrus trees have been there a decade or so. 

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No idea where these ones are located...

 

This tree inside a park is hard to see on street view, but it is loaded with citrus. Possibly a huge Calamondin? It has definitely been confirmed to be citrus.

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Here are some more growing in the churchyard at St. Paul's Cathedral in London...

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Not sure what the hell these trees are..? I thought they were apples at first, but they the street views are from September and don't look anything like apples. More like lemons. Possibly grapefruit? Whats all the more surprising is that these are in northwest London, which is one of the colder parts of the city, although still relatively mild overall.

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There's a nice CIDP on that same road as the citrus above...

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I have literally only just started looking for citrus and found quite a few pretty quickly, so God knows how many more are lurking out there around the London metropolis. Any help getting I.D.'s on any of these would be appreciated. 

Apple looking things could be Quince..

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1 hour ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Apple looking things could be Quince..

It could be that having just looked up what a 'Quince' is on Google.

Any idea what type of citrus is in the first two photos? It kind of looks like a satsuma, but I doubt it is. 

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1 minute ago, UK_Palms said:

It could be that having just looked up what a 'Quince' is on Google.

Any idea what type of citrus is in the first two photos? It kind of looks like a satsuma, but I doubt it is. 

Would have to see the fruit up close to get a better idea of what variety of Tangerine / Tangelo it might be.. ( " Satsuma " would be one of several varieties )

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1 hour ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Apple looking things could be Quince..

Most likely and quince will hold their leaves above 20F.

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Chester B

Those are quince for sure.  Such a great fruit, they are relatively popular in my neck of the woods. Zone 6 and above for quince.

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EJ NJ

Wow! What variety of avocados and oranges are these?

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21 hours ago, necturus said:

Some fruits look like Mexican avocados which makes sense - most cold tolerant. There were some that size in our area prior to the winter freeze. Now they're frozen to the trunk or roots.

From what I hear, it is virtually impossible to get the Mexican type in Europe, especially here in the UK. These London ones are supposedly regular Guatemalan avocados, due to the bumpy skin/flesh that can be seen, however I can't say for sure. A guy from the RHS (Royal Horticulture Society) explained this recently.

Even the tougher Mexican variety only appears to be hardy down to -5C / 22F though. I remember hearing about lots of avocados being killed back along the French and Italian Med from -6C / 20F a few years ago. So it makes you wonder just how cold these parts of central London are getting due to the UHI and potential microclimates. They must be milder than first thought.

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Perhaps some microclimates are existing within other microclimates? The official Met Office temperature recordings are done right out in the open, in exposed locations - St. James Park, Heathrow, Northolt, Kew Gardens, Hampstead, Bushy Park etc. Those places haven't really ever dropped below -6C / 20F since 1987, which was the worst winter on record, but still only about -8C / 15-16F back then during 87' in these exposed 'official' locations. 

I suspect at street level in certain locations, where it is more built up, better protected from cold winds and close to buildings maximising UHI effect, it may not have dropped below -4C / 24F since 1987. It's definitely going to be better protected than those exposed Met stations that are well out in the open, far away from buildings. Potentially a difference of 2C / 5F during the coldest winter nights and especially during radiation freezes, compared to actual Met stations out in the open. 

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gurugu

Spectacular!

That´s a seed grown avocado, not a grafted one. There are quite a few around here. They start setting fruit when they are about 12 years old. They do set big fruits, at least here.

It seems Bacon or Zutano variety, according to the size of the bone. They are said to be a little bit hardier.

I have had a grafted Hass variety one for over 25 years and it is much shorter, usually grafted ones are.

So the place the tall one is planted in, must be a 9b zone, at least, and it is not sheltered by some eave from a house. If not, it could be a warmer place, like the second one by a house wall. It is also true that it has more place to grow better than the other, so that´s why it will set more fruits.

Keep on sending more surprises from UK. I enjoy this better than when some coconut tree is discovered in Southern California or the sorroundings. We are talking of 14º/16º more northernly latitudes.

I do know about araucaria excelsa being grown outdoors in London. Do you know where?

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18 hours ago, EJ NJ said:

Wow! What variety of avocados and oranges are these?

I have heard that they are Guatemalan avocados, but I can't say for sure. As for the oranges, I don't really know what is what really. There is some evidence of actual Valencia oranges being grown, but others look like tangerines. 

There appears to be a fruiting lemon tree growing next to the big CIDP in Egerton Terrace, London. Can anyone confirm whether this is citrus limon? @Silas_Sancona @gurugu

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7 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

I have heard that they are Guatemalan avocados, but I can't say for sure. As for the oranges, I don't really know what is what really. There is some evidence of actual Valencia oranges being grown, but others look like tangerines. 

There appears to be a fruiting lemon tree growing next to the big CIDP in Egerton Terrace, London. Can anyone confirm whether this is citrus limon? @Silas_Sancona @gurugu

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Looks like a Lemon to me.. Could be one of the larger -fruited varieties, vs. something like " Meyer "  or  " Eureka " ( ..Pretty much the " standard " lemons you see sold at most grocery stores ) though.

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I have only just started looking for 'araucaria excelsa' or Norfolk Island Pine after you mentioned it to me, and surprise surprise, it didn't take long to spot a couple, assuming these are Norfolk Island Pines? In which case there would be a lot more lurking out there in London, since I have only just started looking. @gurugu

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Another...

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Another in Hackney, northeast London by the looks of things...

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No idea where that lemon tree that is as tall as a house is located...?

Another small Norfolk Island Pine in a pot...

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Guessing this is a baby one...

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Wollemi Pine or something else...?

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Talking of pines...

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These are the best bananas I have seen in London probably. I doubt they have ever been protected there by the owner. 

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The London cacti haven't even had a mention yet...

 

I took these photos at Kew Gardens in September 2020...

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On second thoughts, that avocado could be a Hass variety, because this is one of the very few self pollinating ones. Most others are dicogamic. Mine is hass and self pollinates. What doesn´t fit is the size of the bone.

For sure all those are Araucaria excelsa. This is more tender than Angustifolia, and Bidwilli, so there must be some of these out there.

The tree in 11 Tyron Cres is, pretty sure, a Grevillea Robusta. Though the bark is a little bit different, or so it looks, but the leaves are very similar. So another subtropical tree for the basket. Last year I had to chop down mine after 24 years. The timber is very valuable. Here it sets flowers even close to the coast, and in some places they also set seeds.

Those musas in Musgrave cres could be Acuminata Colla or Balbisiana, or something else. Any expert?

Definitely there are subtropical spots in London, at least in terms of minimum temperatures, not so in maximums. Pretty much the same as here. If avocados, citrus, araucaria excelsas, etc. can be grown, then we are talking of subtropical climate, no doubt.

Do you know of any avocados, etc. on the south coast of the UK?

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This is probably even more bizarre than all the palms and exotic plants. London is experiencing a MASSIVE parakeet invasion like you wouldn't believe. Like millions of these parakeets in parks and neighbourhoods that are breeding out of control. After pigeons they are the second most common bird now in London.

@gurugu Do you have these parakeets in northern Spain? They are invasive in many areas, although the London population has exploded now. There are even Macaws flying about too... 

 

These parakeets are native to India and central Africa but they have completely taken over London now. The video below shows them in their native range in India, but check out the Arabic guy who has replied to the BBC video showing himself being completely swarmed by parakeets in London. 

 

In London the birds attack you for food and the squirrels even run up your leg...

 

The parakeets aren't just in the parks though as you will see, they have clearly taken over residential areas of London as well. They are literally taking over...

 

They seem to dominate the bird feeders in London gardens not letting other birds feed...

 

As Ian Malcolm said in Jurassic Park, "life will find a way"...

 

Try to count this lot...

 

The noise they make is crazy, although it may be due to the sheer number of them. A worker at Kew Gardens told me last year there was 10,000 in Kew alone.

 

They even attack the squirrels since they are so numerous in London now...

 

They're getting people in with Eagles / Hawks to deal with the invasion in residential areas...

 

The native birds seem to be helping out too...

 

It seems there are actual Macaws flying about wild in London as well. They are obviously escaped pets but they have survived and started breeding in the London parks supposedly.

 

 

 

A few other species around London...

 

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      Street view Jubaea's...


       
      Here is the Jubaea at Chelsea Physic Garden in central London, which I visited over the summer...


       

       
      Battersea Park Jubaea's in central London...



       
      North London Jubaea with big Washingtonia Filifera...

       
      Some smaller London Jubaea's on street view...


       
      Now onto the London Butia's, of which there are many to document. Here's the one at Chelsea Physic Garden next to that Jubaea I posted before...















       



       
      This Butia is located in Chumleigh Gardens which is in Burgess Park, south London...

       
      This CIDP is located right next to the Butia above, in Burgess Park, south London. You can see the Butia in the background. It is yet another London CIDP that I haven't even posted before yet. These are not recent images either. This CIDP photo from Chumleigh Gardens is 5 years old now, so it will be much, much bigger, as will the Butia...

       
      11 Monmouth Road, London...

       
      These are in Richmond, southeast London...


       
      Butia Yatay, Richmond

       
      Butia hybrid? Central London...


       
      I can't remember what part of London this Butia is located in? I know I have seen someone post it on here before though, a few years back. 

       
      This one is in Wisley Gardens on the outskirts of southeast London...


       
      Strange planting in central London...
       
      Again these ones are just London so far. I've probably missed a bunch. I will upload the Jubaea's and Butia's from the rest of the UK soon, as well as any other London ones that I forgot. 
    • UK_Palms
      By UK_Palms
      I stumbled across this Phoenix palm recently and noticed it seemed a bit different. For one it was suckering profusely, although I initially thought it was just several small CIDP's planted closely together. However, going back in time on Google street view, I can confirm that it is in fact just the one Phoenix palm, which is clearly suckering.
      The first pictures are from 2015, back when it was quite a bit smaller. Even then it appears to be exhibiting a clumping nature, with quite a few suckers being put out. The owner of the house also appears to be Middle Eastern, which may pay homage to the possibility of it being Dactylifera, as opposed to say Theophrasti or Reclinata. 


       
      Here it is more recently, showing it really suckering profusely now. It is also noticeably a LOT slower growing than traditional CIDP's are in the London area, which would be more than double that size by now, during the 5-6 years between the first two photos and the last two. The fronds also seem a bit 'off' for CIDP as well, with a bluey/silver hint of colour to them, although it could just be the lighting? 


       
      What are your thoughts? Dactylifera? Theophrasti? Hybrid? I suppose it will become more evident in the coming years as it continues to grow bigger. Since I have the location, I can obviously monitor it moving forward. I suspect the jury will be out on it for some time, until it grows bigger. My first thought was CIDP x Dacty hybrid, but I doubt it would sucker to that extent if it was a CIDP hybrid? It's straight up suckering like a Dacty, but I suppose it could still be a hybrid. Very hard to tell at this stage. I suspect other people have spent more time around smaller Dacty specimens than me though, so they may be able to tell, and confirm whether it is or not...? Cheers 
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