Jump to content
SALOttawa

Are there any other Zone 5a palm growers out there?

Recommended Posts

SALOttawa

I live in Ottawa, Canada. I have been growing palms for about seven years in pots. This year I am trying my first palm planted in the ground and overwintering it outdoors (with protection, of course). It is a washingtonia robusta. If it survives the winter, I will be planting two or three more in the spring. I also want to try a couple of Trachycarpus Fortunei. I am also trying to overwinter some musa basjoo and a dracanea by covering them with mulch. I also have a yucca which has been outside for three years now with no protection. If you have experience with any of these in zone 5a, or less, I would love to hear your experiences. If you want to check out my yard on YouTube, search Constance Bay Palms.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hutch

I'll I can say is get pop up greenhouses and be prepared to heat them when needed ....Trachys will take 10 degrees but that's not with frozen soil..and continuously subjected to freeze after freeze ...just my 2 cents.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
oasis371

Will also contribute my 2 cents here. Probably the hardiest palms in the North are Sabal minors, Raphidophyllum hysterix (Needle palms), and Trachycarpus fortunei (Japanese windmill palms). I don't like Needle palms so they will just not grow for me even if I were sever zones warmer. Sabal minor 'Louisiana' is one of my favorite S. minors as it is a robust grower and cold tolerant.  My favorite trunking palm is Trrachycarpus fortunei (Japanese windmills).  In the Mid Atlantic, I would say they are hardy to 5 F (higher sun angle, longer days help),  but agree with Hutch, they will not tolerate frozen soils for weeks on end.  I didn't 't protect my Trachy at all this winter, it's on the south side of the house and it's been ridiculously warm so far. Trachys are so easily from seed, that I have two dozen in reserve in case there IS some freakish arctic vortex. Happy New Year!

This pic was taken after 1/4 inch of snow recently, but otherwise, it's been very mild.

 

149B328C-6019-46F1-8C2B-2613F05D0FF7.jpeg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Aceraceae

Did you pick W. robusta because of James Palms YouTube success in the Toronto suburbs by any chance? 

Ottawa is significantly colder than the lower Great Lakes microclimate and so they may need serious heating more than just a good box and christmas lights. 

It's surprising how well they do in toronto, and the big Sabal Palmetto tree, given the chronically cold and wet soil, but Washingtonia are the fastest growing, 

at least of the hardy palms, and are tough enough to come back from damage. 

Remember that cold hardy usually refers to zone ~7b thru 10a, and that 5 and 6 are deep lost cause territory without significant heating measures, including 

the inevitable deep ground frost encountered there. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Latinmtl67

Hey i'm from Mtl and im trying for the first time trachy fortunei ingroud and so far so good   i even have a seedling washingtonia Still fully green.
I think my box is working perfectly cant wait to march to come and take the box down. 
 

I was inspired by james palm on youtube.

Top picture in the box is as today january 1st 2022 :D 

would you share a pic of yours?

cheers

IMG_2399.jpg

palm wintering 1.jpg

Edited by Latinmtl67
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SALOttawa

Hey! Thank you all for responding! We haven’t had any super cold weather yet, but I think I am prepared.

If you would like to see my setup, check Constance Bay Palms Zone 5a on YouTube. I did learn a lot for James Palms, but the Green Dragan is truly inspiring. This is my first year over wintering my washy. If you check out my videos, I have the Christmas lights for the tree, plus some heating plumbing wire to keep the ground from freezing. I have already ordered two more washies for the spring as well as some more trashiest, and a butia capita. I have about fifty 9 month old washies at home that I grew from seed as well as about seven trachies. I also have a number of palms, bananas, pineapples and a bird of paradise that can’t handle the cold so I bring them in for the winter. I am trying two musa basjoo outside as well as a dracanea with only mulch as protection. I just got a new three foot bird of paradise today as a rescue. You can see them all on my videos on YouTube. Hopefully I can find more people doing this in zone 5 so that we can share successes and methods that  work. Thanks again for your responses. Happy New Year!

I have about six more videos as well with more to come.

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Latinmtl67

Wow great video!!  Love your mexican fan palm :P Im jealous hahah

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SALOttawa
3 hours ago, Latinmtl67 said:

Wow great video!!  Love your mexican fan palm :P Im jealous hahah

I think your Trachycarpus is doing great! What is your box covered with? What zone is it that you live in?

Edited by SALOttawa

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Latinmtl67

Hey, i live in Montreal zone 5.  Here is a little update of the box as of today January  16th.   its -15 right now.
Think it looks good so far. 2 more months and i'll take the box down.  Its my first year trying it :D so far im happy hehe.
Realize my washi was getting dry, i tried to poor some water :rolleyes: just a little but mostly went everywhere but on it lol. 
hope it wont affect my palm.

My box is made of R5 foam just as Jamespalm videos hehe.

I have a C9 plug to a thermocube and another C9 pluf on a smart switch  just in case the thermocube isnt enough.
1 have 2 smart temperature and humidity sensor
one on the crown and the other one on the ground nearby.

Excuse the weeds everywhere lol


Voila :D
 palm1.thumb.jpg.371eb311fbc67831c7949fbfb866f96d.jpgpalm.thumb.png.8b4b797e9079708edc5025ba144135a3.pngpalm3.thumb.jpg.73c05a2cf37076f67ecbf8d34ff8570f.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SALOttawa

Nice! Zone 5 a or b? If you grow a washy, I would go with a full 8’ box. You are probably ok with a small box for a trachy. They grow really slowly and are super expensive to buy of any size! With my box, I have two roofs. One is inside and I will raise it every year until I have to extend the box. How old is your large trachy? I have a 3 year old which is a bit smaller, I think. I will be planting it this year.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hutch

Looking good...!..Palms make people happy.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Similar Content

    • JLM
      By JLM
      I recieved Washingtonia robusta, Phoenix sylvestris, and Archontophoenix alexandrae seeds this morning. I have a heat mat coming in hopefully on Thursday which will be a huge help with germinating these. No more using the cable box! Any tips? I have 0 experience with any of these, although i know the robusta should pop pretty easily.  Are any of these remote germinators? Anything would be greatly appreciated!
    • ZPalms
      By ZPalms
      Sabal Palmetto has been in the ground since May 17th and it's already pushed out 1 strap leaf but working on another which looks different to me so maybe its going palmate? regardless it's cool it pushing out 2 leaves still in recovery mode! 
       


    • LunaBlue
      By LunaBlue
      Hi, new to the forum and palms in general. 
      I got this washingtonia robusta and was acclimatizing it when it started yellowing several fronds. I was super careful about watering, so couldn't be an overwatering issue. Possibly also shipping stress?
      Today I pulled it out of it's pot and turns out it was pretty root bound. And as such was not getting enough water maybe. Untangled the root ball a bit and potted up. Well draining potting mix.
      Any advice on how to help it survive? It will go out for the summer once the weather will be warmer. Location Estonia, so will stay in pot.  Currently it is in the corner of east-south facing window. Is getting some hours of sun. I have read that they are pretty tough, so hope will keep on growing.
      Second question: does robusta usually grow side shoots? Or is this some multi trunk cultivar? Getting two new shoots off the main stem. 
      Thank you! 





    • MTY
      By MTY
      Hi all.  New member here from St. Croix in the US Virgin Islands.  I've identified at least 12 palm varieties in the condo grounds where I'm residing, and I'm putting together a guide/walking tour for folks here to learn about them.    But I need help!  This palm identification thing seems to only get more difficult the more I learn...
      I'm going to post a few threads to help identify some that have confused me - any help is appreciated!  After, I'll post the full guide when I complete it.   Thanks in advance!
      Are these Washingtonia Robusta/Mexican Fan Palms?  Are the first two photos a different variety than the last three?  I thought these were Sabal at first but there are varying degrees of toothy armature on the petioles. 
       
       





    • AGMmidTN
      By AGMmidTN
      Season’s greetings, fellow palm enthusiasts. I have been trolling palmtalk for years, and I have a healthy obsession with tropicals/subtropicals. I currently have a Trachy that’s been in the ground since the spring of 2017. It sits on the south end of an east facing wall and the houses in my neighborhood are fairly close together and my yard is fenced in, so I’d say I gain a half a zone in hardiness due to site planting. It was protected minimally the winters of 2017/18 and 2018/19. The first winter this little lady was only 2-3ft tall tops, so I built makeshift protection with clear painter’s plastic floor protecter and tall 2”x2” wood (think of a teepee). I made sure the fronds didn’t touch the plastic, so as not to burn) and placed old school Christmas lights around the base of the palm. The lights and protection did the trick and kept the palm about 10-15 degrees higher (I’m also a meteorology nut so I have a weather station with a temp gauge I placed against the palm). She came through pretty well given our coldest low of 1 degree F (2017/18 was my areas’ coldest winter in many years). The spear pulled next spring but I used hydrogen peroxide a few times over the course of a week or two and she bounced back and flourished. Winter of 2018/19 I merely wrapped the trunk with the same strand of lights and she was fine (still had spear pull and had to use hydrogen peroxide spring of 2019). Last winter I didn’t even put on any lights or place a protection around her, but last winter was quite mild (fingers crossed we have the same). This spring I did have a spear pull but again, I used the H2O2 and once I noticed new growth I fertilized, yielding exponential growth. 
       
      At this point I know I want to have this palm for the long term (I rent and didn’t think it would perform so well) and I would like a healthy plant to transplant to my next home or to my sisters just south of Birmingham, AL z8a. I have more C7 lights and am ready to wrap the trunk, but I noticed in the past that the heat burned holes through the fronds or browned the trunk a bit on the fibrous hairs. Is that ok? Should I tie up the crown? Is the palm large enough that enough hardiness has been achieved that I should just let her be? I’m all ears and and would love any advice I can get. 
       
      Thanks in advance!
      side note: if any of you have been around the online palm community since 2000 or so, I was just 14 back then - asking questions on multiple message boards (I quit for lack of believability that I was my age and the haters that thought I was some dirty POS), growing seedlings in my parents basement, and making my family stop at nurseries on road trips to Florida to see what would grow in SW MI not far from Lake MI (I did have some success with a needle palm). I now am Master Gardener, do landscape design, and hope to one day have a yard that all my neighbors either love or hate lol. 




×
×
  • Create New...