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Dypsis Carlsmithii goes in…


Looking Glass

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Well, sacrifices had to be made….  The Spindle had to come out to make some room.  It grew a lot in a year, and was doing well without much fuss.   It took a bit of effort to get it out.  A bit sad really.   But you can’t make an omelette without straight up murder...   You guys were right in the beginning.  There will be more planticide as time goes on.  

August 2020… post tearing out the hedges and starting some palms.  
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Today….

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In went D. Carlsmithii from the Searle Bros Blowout in its place.  About 9 feet out from the house.  I don’t know what to expect for growth rate in South Florida, so if anyone cares to chime-in/pic-in, let me know.  It gets pretty heavy sun there and the soil is good.  What can I expect?..  Any pointers?…

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A damn leaf roller took out a few leaflets before I found him…

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I also threw in some Pie Crust crotons at the same time flanking this guy.  They should give a little color as they grow in.   I’m sure the iguanas will start their assault on it tomorrow.   

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Anybody got any pointers for Carlsmithii?  
 

 

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Whats the age estimate of that palm? Looks like it was about 7 gallon or so? I’m planning to put one of these in the ground next spring. Ive never seen a mature one in person but they sure are Impressive trees even in pictures. I’d think it would do great in your neck of the woods. Ill have written down in my internet research notes are - likes water, and partial shade to full sun, big lol

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1 hour ago, D. Morrowii said:

Whats the age estimate of that palm? Looks like it was about 7 gallon or so? I’m planning to put one of these in the ground next spring. Ive never seen a mature one in person but they sure are Impressive trees even in pictures. I’d think it would do great in your neck of the woods. Ill have written down in my internet research notes are - likes water, and partial shade to full sun, big lol

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I have similar extensive notes…lol!  

I have no idea how old it is.   Maybe someone with experience with these can guess.  
It was in a 7 gallon and is a hair under 5 feet tall in the ground.  It put out about 2.5 fronds in 5 months through the warmest months in the pot, not exactly a speed demon.  

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37 minutes ago, Looking Glass said:

I have similar extensive notes…lol!  

I have no idea how old it is.   Maybe someone with experience with these can guess.  
It was in a 7 gallon and is a hair under 5 feet tall in the ground.  It put out about 2.5 fronds in 5 months through the warmest months in the pot, not exactly a speed demon.  

Hey great minds right? :-) 

I have (3) - 1 gallon size from Floribunda that I received back in May. Similar growth rates up here with these little guys, just a couple leaves each in that time. Should like the new home I think.  

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When I lived in fl I had trouble growing big dypsis in ground. The moment I put it in they just seem to burn and sit still until death. With that said I have seen them in ground in Florida but they were all growing in shade. Good luck, if it doesn’t work out try again 

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2 hours ago, John hovancsek said:

When I lived in fl I had trouble growing big dypsis in ground. The moment I put it in they just seem to burn and sit still until death. With that said I have seen them in ground in Florida but they were all growing in shade. Good luck, if it doesn’t work out try again 

Thanks.  I think Carlsmithii maybe has the best shot of the big dypsis around here.  Maybe Prestoniana too.   I planted it just hair high on a mini-mound, but not much.  It does get a lot of sun there, but gets a little breakup from surrounding stuff and bigger palms on the sides of the yards.  But overall it’s still a hot, sunny spot at noon.  :bemused:
 
I did have it in the pot in that area for months.

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 It seemed to do ok.  But we shall see in the ground….  It’s showtime!  

I’ll give it a lot of water and food, and pray.  It wanted out of the pot bad.   On top of the mulch, it shot out roots pretty quickly into the ground.  

Out of curiosity, what area of FL were you in?   What was your soil like there?  I know many Dypsis don’t like it here, especially the big ones.  Time will tell with this one.  

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46 minutes ago, John hovancsek said:

Full Hawaii sun and loves it.

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Nice.  Man that thing looks strong.  It seems to like whatever you are cookin’ there.   

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Even in ideal conditions, these palms seem to be fairly slow. I have 3 planted from 10 gal. pots January 1, 2012 -- nearly 10 years ago. Not necessarily a bad thing to have some palms remaining at human scale for years, IMO. Here is one of them...

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Actually 2 of them in the photo below

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I don’t know if it is the soil or the crazy amount of rain we get but the one I have has been in ground for about 3 years form a 5 gallon pot. The ones that do great in fl are the clustering dypsis

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

Even in ideal conditions, these palms seem to be fairly slow. I have 3 planted from 10 gal. pots January 1, 2012 -- nearly 10 years ago. Not necessarily a bad thing to have some palms remaining at human scale for years, IMO. Here is one of them...

Actually 2 of them in the photo below

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What a beauty.  Slow can be nice sometimes if you are planning on being there a while.  Things that are fast get out of bounds very quickly here.  I imagine in Hawaii it’s even worse.   Plus I think most palms look their best in early, middle age.  The longer they stay in that range, the better.  I guess it’s just getting them there.  
 

29 minutes ago, John hovancsek said:

I don’t know if it is the soil or the crazy amount of rain we get but the one I have has been in ground for about 3 years form a 5 gallon pot. The ones that do great in fl are the clustering dypsis

I looked up your weather there, then went outside to water!  10-20 inches of rain a month all year.  Temps in the 70s/60s.   That’s quite a combo that these guys like.   

I imagine summer is the hard time for them around here… when it’s a soggy low of 80+ at night.  
 

 

 

 

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Well, it’s been 18 months n the ground….  Had some issues with iron chlorosis along the way, which I bridged with foliar iron, and treated with EDDHA solid drenches.  It seemed to work.  For good measure I also got a bag of lava rock mulch (red is all we got here) and top-dressed it with that.  Not sure if it helped, but it didn’t hurt, and maybe helped.   

After putting out a couple of huge 9-foot straight fronds, it recently started opening a shorter, but nicely green, recurved 7 foot frond, and is double spiking under that.   It seems to be a different shape, but looks healthier.   The old fronds had a rough life.  

This thing is pretty slow here, and I debated removal at one point, but it seems to be turning a corner now.   The summer rain and heat should help.   

It’s hard to photograph now.   Big and sprawling low,  among a bunch of plants.   


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A lot of things have changed in 18 months.  The palms around it have grown big, providing more shade, and I’ve picked up 15 other kinds of crotons.   

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Looking good! Seems like it could be a couple/few years before you are able to start enjoying the fat trunk and orange leaf bases but as mentioned having a palm at eye level for years isn't really a bad thing. 
Mine has been in the ground for 15 months from a 2 gal and I’d guess mine is at least 2 years behind yours sigh..

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2 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

Looking good! Seems like it could be a couple/few years before you are able to start enjoying the fat trunk and orange leaf bases but as mentioned having a palm at eye level for years isn't really a bad thing. 
Mine has been in the ground for 15 months from a 2 gal and I’d guess mine is at least 2 years behind yours sigh..

Yeah, it makes big fronds….  Slowly, so far.   For a while it looked kind of miserable, but seems to be ok now.   

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This one keeps putting out new fronds but they have all been maybe 18-24” long. It takes a lot of sun without flinching but that banana pepper green color persists. 

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1 hour ago, D. Morrowii said:

This one keeps putting out new fronds but they have all been maybe 18-24” long. It takes a lot of sun without flinching but that banana pepper green color persists. 

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Mine seems to want more iron than the soil conditions provide.  It was also frying in all day sun, but now gets at least some breaks. 

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Looking at the pics again I feel like this little guy might even be 5 years behind yours😩.  I’ve been hitting this and a couple of other palms with a 1/2 to a whole gallon mixture of 1-2 tbsp EDDHA and 1 tbsp manganese and it seems to help. I think I heard about the alkaline soil iron lock up issue on another thread you started? Anyway, I may not be applying enough iron or maybe I need to apply more often. Bentinkia condopanna, Loxoccocus rupicola, Chrysalidocarpus carlsmithii, and Hyophorbe indica all seem to like a dose though. looking forward to future updates on yours.

 

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Well, it’s been 2 years in the ground for Carlsmithii here on a gloomy day.  The Satakentias and Roebellini grew up around it now to block a lot of the all day direct sun, and cool it off a little.  I also put whatever lava chips (black and red) I had lying around, around the base and iron issues improved over time one way or the other.   It looks happier now, but the leaves shrunk some over the past year.   It is about 8 feet tall now.   Slow…. Puts out 2-3 fronds per year at most.  This is probably my hardest to photograph palm due to size and positioning.   
 

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