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SubTropicRay

Most hard core palm collectors have some rare specimens that if lost, could not be replaced.   You'd have to start again from seed because established plants are nowhere to be found.  Sometimes, even the seed is impossible to locate because it is no longer exported and/or habitat plants are protected.  I haven't posted a new topic on here for a long while.  Hopefully, I'm not rehashing a topic already recently discussed.  What's on your list of irreplaceable beauties? 

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sonoranfans

I dont have any really rare palms.  Not replaceable for me is for ones that take a long time to grow and would be too expensive to replace at the same size.  At my age even a 25'+ beccariophoenix alfredii is awful expensive to replace I think.

 

1) 22' overall copernicia fallaensis might cost 15k to replace not including planting which could be 4-5k.  Planted as pre trunking 9-10' overall palm with a rootball 3' in diameter and 30"+ deep(150 gallon size?) in sept 2011.  This one was my most expensive palm, $1800 + 2500 lb bobcat rental.  Today I see 25 gallon palms for half that price so yeah it was a good deal.  

2) borassus aethiopum 15' overall,  2' of trunk and its getting fat, wont be easy to find or cheap at that size.  Planted as a $20 strap leaf seeding from christian faulkner in 2011.

3) 15'+ trunking(3' trunk) copernicia baileyana, 5k?  It was a 3 gallon when planted

the good news is that weather will not kill these, they are plenty cold hardy for my warm 9b/cold 10a.

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JubaeaMan138

Copernicia gigas I’ve got in the ground that is looking sweet . Grown from habitat collected seed by @aztropic . I could get this again from seed but it would take me I would guess 10 years 

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Frond-friend42

My schippia. Maybe not super rare but he suffered a spear-pull and I changed out the soil and it took about a year...but he came back.

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Merlyn

Most of my "rare" palms I purchased as seedlings, and they are still small.  So things like Arenga Hookeriana, Wallichia Oblongifolia and Attalea Brejinhoensis are ones that are tough to find or replace.  Everyone probably has a different definition of "rare," though...

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MAPU 1

I have 4 Colpothrinax Wrightii with about 10 ft.of trunk. I only know of one other person that has any of these this size.

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Justin31703
25 minutes ago, MAPU 1 said:

I have 4 Colpothrinax Wrightii with about 10 ft.of trunk. I only know of one other person that has any of these this size.

I’d love to see a photo. 

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MAPU 1

I have never mastered posting fotos. But you look in Paul Craft's book, Palms of Cuba. There is a foto of three of them from a few years ago.

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Kim

I have 3 Lemurophoenix halleuxii and 2 Voanioala gerrardii that would be difficult if not impossible to replace. The Lemurs aren't doing super well right now either, but seem to be growing out of their funk. Slowly, very slowly.

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Oviedo_z10b_lol

Like most… it’s not super rare. But I don’t know where I’d get another P. Sargentii in central florida. Plus I really like it (in spite of my wife’s assertion that it’s an ugly Charlie Brown palm tree). 

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Gottagrowemall

I got a 30 gallon beccariophoenix alfreddii last year for like 140$. The seller bought more than he had use for in his landscaping. I don’t think I could find another one at that size for that price. If something happened to it I’d probably have to pay the same price for a much smaller palm.

my Sylvester / CIDP hybrid was 99$ from Lowe’s in a 23 gallon I think. It was on clearance for some reason even though it’s spear and everything was healthy. Again just another expensive Palm I don’t think I could get anything near that size at that price.

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banthony720
2 hours ago, Gottagrowemall said:

I got a 30 gallon beccariophoenix alfreddii last year for like 140$. The seller bought more than he had use for in his landscaping. I don’t think I could find another one at that size for that price. If something happened to it I’d probably have to pay the same price for a much smaller palm.

my Sylvester / CIDP hybrid was 99$ from Lowe’s in a 23 gallon I think. It was on clearance for some reason even though it’s spear and everything was healthy. Again just another expensive Palm I don’t think I could get anything near that size at that price.

A couple weeks ago I picked up an Old Man Palm $45 Lowes clearance. Original price $200. I'm guessing it's probably atleast 7 years old. The crazy part is if I didn't rescue it they would probably throw it in the trash.

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aztropic
3 hours ago, Oviedo_z10b_lol said:

Like most… it’s not super rare. But I don’t know where I’d get another P. Sargentii in central florida. Plus I really like it (in spite of my wife’s assertion that it’s an ugly Charlie Brown palm tree). 

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P sargentii actually grows into a very nice looking compact palm. A slow grower,until a trunk is formed,to be sure. One of mine,happily growing in the Arizona desert.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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aztropic

I guess my hardest to replace palm at the moment would be Copernicia cowellii. I grew several for my own garden from seed I collected on a trip to Cuba,and sold about 40 more at 1 gallon size. Surprisingly, they appear to be a tough grow for the Florida folks,but seem to be more of a slow,steady,grow for me under Arizona desert conditions.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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JubaeaMan138
1 hour ago, aztropic said:

I guess my hardest to replace palm at the moment would be Copernicia cowellii. I grew several for my own garden from seed I collected on a trip to Cuba,and sold about 40 more at 1 gallon size. Surprisingly, they appear to be a tough grow for the Florida folks,but seem to be more of a slow,steady,grow for me under Arizona desert conditions.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Yours are killer . The 2 I have left are doing great. Sure hope some seed becomes available in the future . Looking forward to growing more of these from seed 

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palmfriend

Hi there,

it was one of the first seeds I purchased years ago when I started with palms - and have never seen

them again after that at rps - because for some kind of sentimental reasons. (Getting it as a plant

over here is completely unthinkable, I even doubt that anyone else grows it in Japan...)

However, it is not a rare palm at all but for me it is...

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After two typhoons passing by not in the best shape - my Clinostigma samoense (from seed) -

probably six years old, not really fast but steady (and still heavily secured...)

When I gazed at it today while having this topic in my mind I finally looked at its bottom and...

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...almost rubbed my eyes - if that is not a emerging trunk then I don't know what it is...:D

Oh, folks, I am really happy about this! Next step would be the first split leaf - let's see when this

happens...

Lars

 

 

 

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John hovancsek
19 hours ago, MAPU 1 said:

I have 4 Colpothrinax Wrightii with about 10 ft.of trunk. I only know of one other person that has any of these this size.

My good friend down the street from me has one 30ft tall. As soon as I get a chance I photo them for you. I got mine from him and it is doing really good for me but no trunk yet

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John hovancsek

This is the one that would be hard to replace pinanga aristata 

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waykoolplantz

in the past i would keep tags from palms we lost..to decide to try again or fuggettaboutit.

i would say the Double Coconut....lightning struck a 30' Ylang Ylang near mine...stoppedgrowing for a couple of years...now pushing a deformed frond but have thoughts & prayers. 

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aztropic

Another up and coming irreplaceable palm species I'm currently growing from seed is Coccothrinax boschiana. Had to travel to habitat in Dominican Republic just to get the seeds as they had not been commercially available for over 10 years.

These seedlings in 1 gallon pots are already 2 years old,and only on their 4th and 5th strap leaves. Looks like it will still be a few years before I can get a few in the ground though.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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Matt in OC

Areca Vestiaria Maroon and Dypsis Marojejyi. 

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Gottagrowemall
20 hours ago, banthony720 said:

A couple weeks ago I picked up an Old Man Palm $45 Lowes clearance. Original price $200. I'm guessing it's probably atleast 7 years old. The crazy part is if I didn't rescue it they would probably throw it in the trash.

Wow I’ve never even seen one before! Nice score. I walk through Lowe’s once every couple weeks to see what they got. I had my eye on this Sylvester for like 6 weeks they left the fronds tied up. The day they had that clearance sticker I ran with it. 

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GottmitAlex
20 hours ago, banthony720 said:

A couple weeks ago I picked up an Old Man Palm $45 Lowes clearance. Original price $200. I'm guessing it's probably atleast 7 years old. The crazy part is if I didn't rescue it they would probably throw it in the trash.

Pics?

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PalmatierMeg

Off the top of my head, I would say my Roystonea violacea is pretty much irreplaceable. It comes from far eastern Cuba not far from Guantanamo so the Cuban regime will limit access to that sensitive area. Americans for sure are definitely verboten. A few years ago I bought 20 expensive seeds from RPS, of which only one germinated. RPS hasn't offered them since and costs of phytosanitary paperwork make ordering palms insanely expensive. I don't expect to ever have access to any more of this species.

Other possibly irreplaceable palms for me are Copernicia cowellii and Sabinaria magnifica.

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aztropic
22 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Other possibly irreplaceable palms for me are Copernicia cowellii and Sabinaria magnifica.

Roystonea violacea 2021, Cape Coral, FL

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Would be interested in a pic of your cowellii. Surprisingly, they don't seem to do as well under Florida growing conditions,as they do in the dry Arizona desert. Here are some of mine,from seed I collected May 2014.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Phil Petersen

Mine would be the rhopalostylis that are going to take 15+ years to trunk so I will be 55+ YO by the time that happens! No pressure :o

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Cindy Adair

Tiny Geonoma epetiolata finally in the ground

Licuala cordata getting big

seeding Licuala mattanensis ‘mapu’

Chamaedorea pumila (bought as sullivoniorum) and C. amabilis- sadly only one of each as they flower in vain. 

Three story nicely variegated Caryota mitis

slowly growing, but alive Dictyocaryum lamarkianum 

Ceroxylon alpinum from seed recently planted (so far so good)

But really my “memory palms” that connect with special people and places would be the most irreplaceable.

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Dr. George

Couple here are special and irreplaceable:

Sclerosperma mannii

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Voaniola gerardii

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Geonoma atrovirens

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Raphia regalis

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Raphia hookeri

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Raphia mambillensis

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Dr. George
On 10/15/2021 at 3:04 PM, banthony720 said:

A couple weeks ago I picked up an Old Man Palm $45 Lowes clearance. Original price $200. I'm guessing it's probably atleast 7 years old. The crazy part is if I didn't rescue it they would probably throw it in the trash.

 

In 2010 we planted 3 Coccothrinax crinita.

11 years later they would have difficulty getting into Lowes -  they are about 10 - 12 ft tall:

 

2010

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Today

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greysrigging

This is the palm I bleed for !  I mean literally bleed for,  due to the wickedly spiked palm frond stalks. I planted this Corypha utan in my back yard about 1989, so I daresay its only got a few years before terminal flowering. i'd like to see it, but will never be able to replace it in my remaining lifetime.
I've been up on a big extension ladder giving it a bit of a haircut and afterwards I looked like a shark attack victim, dozens of wounds and spilled blood from the fronds....cursed things !!!
Some more to do this afternoon/evening ( too hot atm 35c/95f )
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GottmitAlex
21 hours ago, greysrigging said:

This is the palm I bleed for !  I mean literally bleed for,  due to the wickedly spiked palm frond stalks. I planted this Corypha utan in my back yard about 1989, so I daresay its only got a few years before terminal flowering. i'd like to see it, but will never be able to replace it in my remaining lifetime.
I've been up on a big extension ladder giving it a bit of a haircut and afterwards I looked like a shark attack victim, dozens of wounds and spilled blood from the fronds....cursed things !!!
Some more to do this afternoon/evening ( too hot atm 35c/95f )
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Ouch.

 

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eatcitrus
On 10/19/2021 at 4:45 PM, Cindy Adair said:

Licuala cordata getting big

Cindy, how big is the Licuala cordata? How old is it?

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