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Ligule flap on Burretiokentia


Tracy

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I purchased both of the palms pictured below as Burretiokentia hapala but have noticed a difference in growth between the two as well as a couple of subtle differences.  The taller one has been more tolerant of direct sun over the years than the shorter one, although they are both about the same age.  The other interesting detail is that my shorter one that is more sun sensitive, has very prominant ligule flaps after the petiole emerges from the crownshaft when compared to my shorter one.  I often thought that they would start looking more similar over time relative to their ligule flaps, but they haven't.  Do your Burretiokentia's have the more subtle flaps like in the first two photos or the more prominent ones like on the palm in the second two photos?

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When this remnant tropical storm lets up, I’ll go check out the one I have. 

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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Tracy, here are photos of the three Burretiokentia in the garden. Interesting that those flappy ligules are similar to the B. grandiflora. B. viellardii and B. hapala look similar to your first couple of photos. 

grandiflora, hapala, and viellardi, in that order

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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Tracy,   are you sure that this is not Burretiokentia costaricana ? :D

San Francisco, California

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4 hours ago, John hovancsek said:

I’m thinking b. Dumasii

John, which one are you thinking is B dumasii, the more sun sensitive with larger ligule flaps or the taller one with the smaller ligule flaps.  I guess the follow up question would be are there B dumasii that don't have red emergent leaves, as both of these are green emergent?

 

22 hours ago, realarch said:

Burretiokentia in the garden. Interesting that those flappy ligules are similar to the B. grandiflora. B. viellardii and B. hapala look similar to your first couple of photos. 

grandiflora

Tim I agree that the flappy large ligules on my shorter one best match your B grandiflora.  Do you have any old photos of the inflo on that?  I haven't looked closely to compare, but I think both of mine have quite similar looking inflorescence.  I have a couple more in Carlsbad that I'm now dying to check out, but they are in the backyard, so it will require coordinating a visit that is convenient for my tenant.

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Tracy,  the B. grandiflora hasn’t bloomed yet as it’s still fairly young. It’s growing fast however, and getting robust.

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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Here is my dumasii and you could see why I was thinking it but it has a red new leaf . Grandiflora has to be it

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This is what the inflorescence looks like on the one with the prominent ligule flaps, from last summer.  There is another one about to pop out of its flower spathe on it any day now, but to me it looks almost indistinguishable from the other one without the prominent ligule flaps.  Puzzling to me that it would be B grandiflora as I thought that was a much more challenging grow here in Southern California.  I was looking at old photos of my other two trying to see if they have the flaps, kind of hard to tell in the 8 year old photo with my dog, but it kind of looks like it has them too.  Maybe I have more than one that isn't really B hapala but one of the other closely related species?  

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So I have one of each in Carlsbad as well.  This one has the prominent ligule flaps even though my gardener has hacked off the lower leaves pretty hard.  It's on the far right in the two photos of the two pulled back photos. 

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Then the other Burretiokentia also acquired as hapala growing in Carlsbad, without the prominent ligules.  Both in Carlsbad are also flowering size, but it looks like any inflorescence that were on them have been removed by the gardener.  Hence, no comparing the inflorescence between these two.

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On 7/26/2021 at 9:52 PM, Tracy said:

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Something else interesting about the Burretiokentia hapala with the ligule flaps is the different form in it's inflorescence.  When I looked up photos of the species on Palmpedia, every one that I saw corresponded to the one on my other B hapala that doesn't have the enlarged ligule flaps meaning once they came off the main base, they weren't branching.  Take a look below at the tips of the inflorescence of this specimen.  It isn't limited to just one inflorescence but when I looked I found the same type of branching off the tips of earlier inflorescence it was holding.  I'm curious if anyone else has seen this type of forked tip on the inflo's of any species of Burretiokentia?  Most are just splitting into two, but some were going into three tips.

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Meanwhile, this is what I had come to expect of Burretiokentia hapala inflorescence.  Once the branch off the main stalk they don't split again.

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