SE Georgia palms

[Xenon]

At the Coastal Georgia Botanical Gardens 

Trachycarpus latisectus

Acrocomia totai

[Xenon]

Livistona decora, L. saribus and L. chinensis

Sabal etonia, S. casuarium and S. palmetto 'Lisa'

extensive collection of Sabal minor variants

[Xenon]

Chamaedorea microspadix 

Some non-palms:

Ceratozamia and Trachycarpus fortunei

Big camphor tree

Araucaria bidwilli (?)

Hadroanthus (Tabebuia)

 

 

[Xenon]

Jaw dropping Phoenix canariensis in Brunswick

Nice mules at the FL welcome center on I-95

I'm most surprised by the abundance of mule palms in SE Georgia, especially compared to the relative scarcity of queen palms even on the islands and even in Florida north of the St John's. Washingtonia robusta seems to be strangely uncommon too. Queens and robusta seem to be everywhere in Duval County/Jacksonville though. 

[necturus]

Great pictures.

Hope the locals enjoy them while they can. Palms and trees every bit the equal of those, if not larger, died at Mercer this year. I hope that is not a bunya bunya but rather Araucaria angustifolia. Next time I go to Mercer I will take a picture of the bunya bunya stump and blow everyone's minds. I truly can't fathom how something got that large and then died in a freeze,

[VA Jeff]

The Bamboo Farm has a lot of nice palms planted by Tom M and Joe L.  Ones they grew from seed.  

Kinda funny  how mule palms used to seem rare.

[Collectorpalms]

Beautifully grown palms. Shows how much they can grow between our killing freezes.

They have a climate ( 18.1) 30 year low average, very close to College Station (18.8 at my location) which just had a low of 4F....

which will easily kill most plants there.

Savannah had a low of 3F in 1985, it would have been possible it was colder there. 
 

 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Swolte]

Yeah, I fear it will be a while before we will be able to safely grow Trumpet trees. Great find, @Xenon!

[Xenon]

27 minutes ago, Swolte said:

Yeah, I fear it will be a while before we will be able to safely grow Trumpet trees. Great find, @Xenon!

There was a specimen in San Antonio about that size or slightly bigger that survived all of the prior freezes in the mid-upper teens with minor damage 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Xenon

[Jcalvin]

1 hour ago, Collectorpalms said:

Beautifully grown palms. Shows how much they can grow between our killing freezes.

They have a climate ( 18.1) 30 year low average, very close to College Station (18.8 at my location) which just had a low of 4F....

which will easily kill most plants there.

Savannah had a low of 3F in 1985, it would have been possible it was colder there. 
 

 

Brunswick is 9A. Those CIDP’s have been there since the 1950’s- over 70 years. There are quite a few older CIDP’s farther inland (Waycross and Valdosta come to mind) that have been there just as long. 
 

All of the sabals in SE Georgia are native up to 50 miles in from the coast. 

[Jcalvin]

On 6/30/2021 at 9:58 PM, Xenon said:

Jaw dropping Phoenix canariensis in Brunswick

Nice mules at the FL welcome center on I-95

I'm most surprised by the abundance of mule palms in SE Georgia, especially compared to the relative scarcity of queen palms even on the islands and even in Florida north of the St John's. Washingtonia robusta seems to be strangely uncommon too. Queens and robusta seem to be everywhere in Duval County/Jacksonville though. 

I go by these Canary’s almost everyday on my way to work. 

[Collectorpalms]

On 7/1/2021 at 9:42 PM, Jcalvin said:

Brunswick is 9A. Those CIDP’s have been there since the 1950’s- over 70 years. There are quite a few older CIDP’s farther inland (Waycross and Valdosta come to mind) that have been there just as long. 
 

All of the sabals in SE Georgia are native up to 50 miles in from the coast. 

You know I was referring to the Inland Georgia Botanical Garden, not Brunswick Most Well established Sabal Palmettos and large pure Canaries survived 4F. I was referring to a lot of the other palms are not going to survive a 1985 event. 

....none of the mules will survive for example. Mine didn’t, even with protection. Most will survive 15F, but by 10F you may only have 50% live and below 5F Death is certain. 

Edited July 3, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[SeanK]

Acrocomia is probably the most surprising at the gardens. It's located inland in a colder section of "metropolitan" Savannah.

[Meangreen94z]

On 7/4/2021 at 5:59 PM, SeanK said:

Acrocomia is probably the most surprising at the gardens. It's located inland in a colder section of "metropolitan" Savannah.

The Totai there has survived 12*F

[Palmfarmer]

Beatiful place! Love those huge CIDPs. Could a Bismarckia make it in the mildest part of GA?

[Jcalvin]

8 hours ago, Palmfarmer said:

Beatiful place! Love those huge CIDPs. Could a Bismarckia make it in the mildest part of GA?

I would say that they would fare just as well as the Bizmarkia that are grown in Jacksonville- maybe even more so than inward areas of Jacksonville if they were grown on Saint Simons or Jekyll. Once you get above, say, McIntosh County and westward of Glynn, chances are they wouldn’t do that great unless protected somehow. 
 

I’m not sure where they are, but someone took a few pictures of a Biz on Jekyll or Saint Simons and posted here. They looked young, though. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Jcalvin

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

On 6/30/2021 at 10:00 PM, necturus said:

Great pictures.

Hope the locals enjoy them while they can. Palms and trees every bit the equal of those, if not larger, died at Mercer this year. I hope that is not a bunya bunya but rather Araucaria angustifolia. Next time I go to Mercer I will take a picture of the bunya bunya stump and blow everyone's minds. I truly can't fathom how something got that large and then died in a freeze,

Some of the ones at the botanical garden for sure but those canaries have been there for near 100 years, survived 6 degrees in 1989.   Theres at least 30 or more old large 50 years +  CIDP in the Brunswick region.   I doubt any freeze will take them all out within their livetimes

Edited July 8, 2021 by Mr.SamuraiSword

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

On 7/6/2021 at 2:04 AM, Palmfarmer said:

Beatiful place! Love those huge CIDPs. Could a Bismarckia make it in the mildest part of GA?

Yes! there are several I know of,  one home on Jekyll Island has a few large ones, the salt spray takes its toll but they are doing somewhat well.

Streetview https://www.google.com/maps/@31.0663974,-81.4048761,3a,22y,215.08h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szUXutX5_YxgTaNH9M1vrxA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Theres another smaller but trunking pair I know of on Saint Simons, but alas, I don't have the streetview for some reason.

 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

Brunswick is full of old Canaries, heres a few I saw (besides the OG courthouse ones)

In a small park,

One on a street in front of the old Courthoue.

I've done some streetviewing since and found quite a few more old ones,

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.1430678,-81.4910743,3a,75y,214.7h,103.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPKGw5FaC3a8iBjim0zlSsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.1429085,-81.4906384,3a,34.9y,32.2h,112.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slDx24LOd88sD3DNPDcipjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.1421499,-81.4906404,3a,75y,186.99h,107.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIDCzZCyUiyDW-7KUEyVJUg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Old Hybrid, 

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.1412269,-81.4902824,3a,68.5y,81.13h,104.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snVpdNYExR47UXuONpIgB_g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.1435682,-81.4912504,3a,75y,128.72h,107.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBYcyM2Drd8eLvxnVO32nAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[Palmfarmer]

16 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Yes! there are several I know of,  one home on Jekyll Island has a few large ones, the salt spray takes its toll but they are doing somewhat well.

Streetview https://www.google.com/maps/@31.0663974,-81.4048761,3a,22y,215.08h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szUXutX5_YxgTaNH9M1vrxA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Theres another smaller but trunking pair I know of on Saint Simons, but alas, I don't have the streetview for some reason.

 

That is great. Allways felt drawn to the south in some way. Maybe i try out 6 months there some day. 

How is the Climate on the western part of the south I am spesificly thinking about the islands in the ocean in south Alabama. Could they support the same amount of species and bizzies as well? 

[Xenon]

36 minutes ago, Palmfarmer said:

That is great. Allways felt drawn to the south in some way. Maybe i try out 6 months there some day. 

How is the Climate on the western part of the south I am spesificly thinking about the islands in the ocean in south Alabama. Could they support the same amount of species and bizzies as well? 

Dauphin Island and the FL Panhandle are colder on average than extreme SE Georgia and Jacksonville which benefit from having the Atlantic Ocean due east.

FWIW, those Bismarckia on Jekyll Island pictured have hardly grown at all since they were installed as specimens in 2014 (check Google streetview).  Sample size of one so maybe there are other specimens that grow well. 

Jacksonville on the riverfront looks like it has been warm for a while, possibly warmer than the beach based on what is growing. Saw some 30-40 foot "Norfolk" pines in Mandarin (directly south of the St John's River with heavy tree canopy); there are also some royal palms along the river that have been the subject of discussion in other threads. St. Augustine by the water has some 50+ foot Norfolk pines. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

On 7/8/2021 at 2:27 PM, Xenon said:

Dauphin Island and the FL Panhandle are colder on average than extreme SE Georgia and Jacksonville which benefit from having the Atlantic Ocean due east.

FWIW, those Bismarckia on Jekyll Island pictured have hardly grown at all since they were installed as specimens in 2014 (check Google streetview).  Sample size of one so maybe there are other specimens that grow well. 

Jacksonville on the riverfront looks like it has been warm for a while, possibly warmer than the beach based on what is growing. Saw some 30-40 foot "Norfolk" pines in Mandarin (directly south of the St John's River with heavy tree canopy); there are also some royal palms along the river that have been the subject of discussion in other threads. St. Augustine by the water has some 50+ foot Norfolk pines. 

Theres some large Bismarkia in St. Augustine too. 

 https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8939242,-81.3135666,3a,75y,222.6h,118.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAbvPUagSZ2V7JeC92FHXDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Some parts of the Mississippi Coastline seem to be more zone 9, especially when compared to the panhandle, old Canary Dates, large Washingtonia/Livistonia, some queens etc.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3936201,-88.8788728,3a,66.8y,79.6h,101.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQlH9zeQxAkNC_euh_H4LFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3948479,-88.9102921,3a,75y,314.63h,97.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDSQ_O3z3dsOQVpiMuMBf8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3947146,-88.9027977,3a,48.5y,350.05h,99.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skFey1RjqZM7mxWwm-zNtEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Mr.SamuraiSword

[Xenon]

4 minutes ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Theres some large Bismarkia in St. Augustine too. 

 https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8939242,-81.3135666,3a,75y,222.6h,118.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAbvPUagSZ2V7JeC92FHXDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Some parts of the Mississippi Coastline seem to be more zone 9, especially when compared to the panhandle, old Canary Dates, large Washingtonia/Livistonia, some queens etc.

 

I actually sat right under that palm in St Augustine last week haha (best specialty coffee in St Aug imo). 

I disagree with most of the things you listed as "zone 9" except the queens (and really only larger, fruiting queens...not just "survival"). CIDP largely survived single digit freezes even in 8b zones in 1989 and last winter in central Texas. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

1 minute ago, Xenon said:

I actually sat right under that palm in St Augustine last week haha (best specialty coffee in St Aug imo). 

I disagree with most of the things you listed as "zone 9" except the queens (and really only larger, fruiting queens...not just "survival"). CIDP largely survived single digit freezes even in 8b zones in 1989 and last winter in central Texas. 

What I meant by zone 9 was including the big freezes, while some CIDP have survived the big 89 in zone 8 areas the are the minority, im sure a much higher percentage died in Valdosta or those regions of Texas than Brunswick or colder parts of New Orleans.  In the case of Washingtonia, very few pure/ish robusta survived 89 in the Brunswick region or Charelston, and from what I am aware of, none exist in Mississippi, or the zone 8b areas of SC.  Im more talking large survival percentages compared.  Are any pre 1989 Washingtonia or CIDP on the panhandle, besides the "possible" candidate in Destin?   I usually associate zone 9 with large numbers of old CIDP on the east/gulf coast.  Charelston is the end of true zone 9 on the Atlantic coast and you'll be hard pressed to find any pre 1989 examples north.  I'd guess Valdosta usually gets zone 9 winters, theres at least one large fruiting queen and a couple pygmy dates

[Jcalvin]

2 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

What I meant by zone 9 was including the big freezes, while some CIDP have survived the big 89 in zone 8 areas the are the minority, im sure a much higher percentage died in Valdosta or those regions of Texas than Brunswick or colder parts of New Orleans.  In the case of Washingtonia, very few pure/ish robusta survived 89 in the Brunswick region or Charelston, and from what I am aware of, none exist in Mississippi, or the zone 8b areas of SC.  Im more talking large survival percentages compared.  Are any pre 1989 Washingtonia or CIDP on the panhandle, besides the "possible" candidate in Destin?   I usually associate zone 9 with large numbers of old CIDP on the east/gulf coast.  Charelston is the end of true zone 9 on the Atlantic coast and you'll be hard pressed to find any pre 1989 examples north.  I'd guess Valdosta usually gets zone 9 winters, theres at least one large fruiting queen and a couple pygmy dates

I was really unaware of robustas being planted in mass in Brunswick before 98 or so.
 

I’’m pretty positive there haven’t been mass plantings of CIDP in Waycross, Valdosta or any other smaller 8b cities on SE Georgia. The older canary’s that I do know of in Valdosta, Waycross and Maclenny have been there pre-89.