Basselinia pancheri

[WaianaeCrider]

One more in the ground today.  Basselinia pancheri .  Little guy must have just gone into the 1 gal. pot as all the media fell loose when I slipped it out of the pot.  Hope all goes well.

[WaianaeCrider]

Major OOPS  Wrong photos

 

[John hovancsek]

I just took this pic of mine the other day. It has been in ground for about 2 years from a 4 in pot

[WaianaeCrider]

4 hours ago, John hovancsek said:

I just took this pic of mine the other day. It has been in ground for about 2 years from a 4 in pot

Wowzer!!!  Hope mine grows as fast as yours.  Of course two different environments.  Here it's mostly sunny w/only a few months of rain so I have to water twice a week.  Hope that will be enough.  So far less than 1/2 inch in May and this month all of.....0.02".  Unless we get  a "Kona" storm I don't expect more than 1/2 inch a month until say Oct.

[Darold Petty]

Steve, the height rod is very helpful, thanks !

[WaianaeCrider]

3 hours ago, Darold Petty said:

Steve, the height rod is very helpful, thanks !

Thanks to Papa's genes, German ingenuity.   Got the idea last year to track growth.  Simple bamboo stick in 1 gal pot w/cement.

[Ben Caledonia]

A beautiful species! For sharing, here are some photos in its natural environment 

 

 

 

 

[WaianaeCrider]

23 minutes ago, Ben Caledonia said:

A beautiful species! For sharing, here are some photos in its natural environment 

 

 

 

 

Mahalo, great pictures

[realarch]

Steve, mine actually gets a lot of sun, probably more than it should. Of the three, one struggles, one is doing ok and is slow growing, and the other is a happy camper, just buzzing right along. I’ll post a few photos in a bit.

Ben Caledonia, New Cal palms are highly sought after by many of the members of this forum and are prized specimens in collector’s palm gardens. Thanks for the photos and hope you will post more of these ‘lusted’ after New Caledonian palms.

Tim 

[realarch]

Steve, here are a couple of shots.

Tim

[WaianaeCrider]

2 hours ago, realarch said:

Steve, here are a couple of shots.

Tim

Beautiful color

 

[John hovancsek]

Wow Tim. Stunner. These are such great little palms

[John hovancsek]

This guy gets almost all day full sun

[WaianaeCrider]

1 hour ago, John hovancsek said:

This guy gets almost all day full sun

How long in the ground and from what size?  Mine will probably get full sun sometime next fall.

[KrisKupsch]

Those habitat photos look like deplanchei and gracilis to me 

[Ben Caledonia]

I had photographed bilobed / kidney-shaped fruits which correspond well to B. pancheri. It is a very polymorphic species.
Since 2008 there has been a reclassification, B. gracilis is now a very rare species from the north of the country (Pintaud & Hodel 2008, The Palm Journal No. 190 pp 32-37)

[angelbabie]

good job, love the trees. 

moto x3m

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by angelbabie

[KrisKupsch]

On 6/25/2021 at 6:18 PM, Ben Caledonia said:

I had photographed bilobed / kidney-shaped fruits which correspond well to B. pancheri. It is a very polymorphic species.
Since 2008 there has been a reclassification, B. gracilis is now a very rare species from the north of the country (Pintaud & Hodel 2008, The Palm Journal No. 190 pp 32-37)

If referring to endemia.nc re B.gracilis, this does not concur with other publications which has gracilis as the most common Basselinia there. In the forest B.gracilis is very common. It is B.eriostachys that is restricted to the NE. You have photographed B.deplanchei and likely from the back of the Tontouta valley at the mine or nearby at Mt Mou or Humboldt  ? One of your photos appears pancheri being the bifid leaf at ground level, the other persons potted specimen is B.gracilis. No doubt. 

[KrisKupsch]

Don Hodel in his recent webinar speaks of B.pancheri and B.gracilis saying how gracilis is very common over the whole island. He mentioned that fact, twice. Link attached. 

[Ben Caledonia]

Hi Kris!

Jean-Christophe Pintaud was the main expert (even more than Hodel) in the knowledge of Caledonian palm trees. I spoke with him personally on the subject, as I also had doubts at the time, and he had confirmed with certainty that B. eriostachys (formerly gracilis) was very common and B. gracilis rare. The update of the Endemia site was made with his cooperation, as it has very close links with all Caledonian botanists.

It is true that the update did not follow on other sites (Palmpedia for example), it is a pity because it created confusion whereas JC Pintaud had been categorical when I had questioned him.

Here is the answer he gave me at the time:
"In fact, Basselinia gracilis is only known between Mandjelia and Ignambi, the type is Balade. Basselinia eriostachys is found all over Grande Terre, from Prony to Upper Mayavetch. This problem is explained in the article Pintaud & Hodel 2008, The Palm Journal No. 190 pp 32-37 which I attach the extract to you. "

Concerning B. deplanchei, I was able to meet him at Mont Do (commune of Boulouparis), the photos are on Endemia.

Sorry, but for the rest:
- first photo (pinnate leaves): the precise geographical location (near the village of Yaté), excludes B. eriostachys (formerly gracilis)
- second photo: the shape of the kidney-shaped fruits that I had photographed on the same subject excludes B. eriostachys (formerly gracilis) which has globular fruits
- last photo: the precise geographical location ("Forêt cachée") excludes B. eriostachys (formerly gracilis), B. pancheri is however very common there.

Identification is not always easy because these species are very polymorphic as I indicated, but the presence of fruits or the precise geographical location are precious elements to allow a good identification.

Sorry, if the translation is not perfect, I use Google translate because I don't speak English well.

Edited June 26, 2021 by Ben Caledonia