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Here's a Pseudophoenix sargentii I grew from seed started about 20 years ago. They do well in the desert,but seem to grow much slower than under tropical conditions. Finally got it's first trunk ring,so growth should be speeding up at this point. I've grown dozens of this species and until a trunk is formed,I only get 1 new frond produced each year.After trunk formation,2 or 3 new fronds per year is the norm.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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JubaeaMan138

:wub:absolutely amazing

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quaman58

Scott, I'm glad to hear they finally speed up. In the 14 years I've had mine, I think there was one year where it put out almost 2 fronds in a year. Other than that, it's one fond only per annum. It's big and thick down at the base with a couple tightly spaced growth rings. Yours always look great. I assume you have the var navassa...does it grow faster for you?

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aztropic

Pseudophoenix var.navassana does gain height quicker due to greater spacing of growth rings but still only puts out 2 or 3 new fronds per year.

 

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WaianaeCrider

Yup, faster in the tropics.  Not sure when I planted this.  Probably about 2000 from 1 gal.  First pict is 2008, the second 2020.  It's now in it's second year of flowering but some bird is getting to the fruit before me.  LOL

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Tyrone

Apart from in the tropics these would likely be one of the slowest growing palms on Earth. It kind of proves that some plants are on a totally different timetable to us.

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aztropic
7 hours ago, quaman58 said:

 the var navassa...does it grow faster for you?

Here's a pic I took while visiting Leonel Mera's farm in the Dominican Republic last year. These were purposely planted as seedlings next to each other to show the difference of a standard Pseudophoenix sargentii left, and the var.on the right. You can see that the var.has outpaced the standard due to the difference in growth ring spacing.

 

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Butch

That is quite a difference... Great way to show it...

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TheMadScientist

In the background towards the right, would that be a P. Vinifera?

 

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aztropic

Nope. Cuban royal. Pseudophoenix vinifera over here.

Pseudophoenix sargentii is the easiest to grow in desert gardens and is the one I always recommend.(I've trialed them all)

 

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37 minutes ago, TheMadScientist said:

In the background towards the right, would that be a P. Vinifera?

 

Need to specify which picture... In the DR,yes. There was a whole grove of vinifera.Even in habitat though,there are unexplained casualties.

 

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ruskinPalms

I love this species! I do need to find a spot in my yard for one. 

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TheMadScientist

YES, perfect photo aztropic.   Such a unique looking species.

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NickJames

I don’t have a photo, but @shminbabe FaceTimed me from my Pine Island lot where I planted one recently. It appears to be thriving. Unlike the other palms I planted, I did not add compost or organics or anything - I just plopped it straight in the sandy soil. I absolutely love the look of these and plan to add more! They were selling quite large ones at the Cape Coral (Pine Island Road) Lowe’s back in April. 

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Tracy
On 5/31/2021 at 10:27 PM, aztropic said:

Pseudophoenix var.navassana does gain height quicker due to greater spacing of growth rings but still only puts out 2 or 3 new fronds per year.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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That is impressive.  Even the var. navassana is slow for me here in Coastal San Diego County.  I have not experienced ring spacing like that either.  I can probably count the rings to get an accurate leaf count since it started trunking and use old photos to assess when it started to back into the leaves per year average.  They clearly appreciate more heat than my climate can provide.

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bubba

Aztropic,

Your Pseudophoenix sargentii look better than our indigenous Florida specimens! Amazing!

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aztropic

Just dropped another frond! 2 rings and counting...:lol:

 

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On 6/2/2021 at 4:52 PM, Tracy said:

That is impressive.  Even the var. navassana is slow for me here in Coastal San Diego County.  I have not experienced ring spacing like that either.  I can probably count the rings to get an accurate leaf count since it started trunking and use old photos to assess when it started to back into the leaves per year average.  They clearly appreciate more heat than my climate can provide.

Unfortunately,there were a lot of unscrupulous middlemen that came and went that 'renamed' their saleable palms to whatever was popular at the time. Climate can only influence a species growth pattern just so much.The 2 varieties are grossly different in growth characteristics.If you have close ring spacing, still, after several rings,you have a standard sargentii.:mellow2:

 

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D. Morrowii

I really like the look of these palms, the colors and shape.
This one went in the ground in mid April of this year as a 3 gal sized plant and had a fresh spear almost fully extended. The frond finally opened about 3-4 weeks ago(seemed like forever) and the new spear started peaking out a little over a week ago. Its growing about 1/2” per day. Hoping it grows semi quick here in Central East FL. 

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aztropic

Got a couple just starting to flower right now...^_^ Always one of my favorites!

 

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Merlyn

I bought this pair of Sargentii from PT member ChuckG a while back, and the plant tag said Sargentii v. lksdfjoweirs or something like that.  It was unfortunately totally illegible, and Chuck didn't remember which type.  They have been fairly steady growers, and didn't mind 28F with frost or 30F with heavy frost.  Any idea what variety these are?

Palm 1:

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Palm 1 trunk detail (with flash and artillery fern for scale)

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Palm 2:

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Palm 2 trunk detail (without flash):

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D. Morrowii

Can anyone help me verify this big box store “buccaneer” is in fact sargentii? Or could it be vinifera? 
Im also looking for advice on transplanting it to the ground. Should I wait until the flowers finish up their cycle or stick it in the ground now? 

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Johnny Palmseed

@D. Morrowii That is quite nice for a big box palm. I believe that it is most likely Sargentii but I can see why you would consider Vinifera with that bulge. If you get seeds from it, you should be able to pinpoint it. The Sargentii seeds are round, about 1/2” diameter and can be single, double, or triple clusters. The Vinifera seeds are reported to be larger, about 1” or larger. And no, they don’t grow semi quick here. I would consider it to be my slowest alongside my Leucothrinax Morrisii.

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D. Morrowii

@Johnny Palmseed I kind of hope its sargentii but if its vinifera that’ll be cool too since I dont have one of those. Whatever it is I’m hoping it does produce viable seed. I am aware they are slow growers and was thinking this one must be 10 years old or more. 
Any thoughts on transplanting while its flowering? I’m thinking I should wait.  

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Johnny Palmseed

@D. Morrowii I would plant it and not worry about the seeds for now. For years I actually cut all the seeds off to try to increase the growth rate. But if it actually made a difference, it wasn’t much. Mine is probably 20 years old now and has a very fat trunk base but is not very tall. I put a tape measure around the base and it maxed out at 60” with about 5-6” to go so I guess the circumference is about 65-66”.  I now leave the seeds on the palm since it attracts hundreds of bees. 

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aztropic
3 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

Can anyone help me verify this big box store “buccaneer” is in fact sargentii? Or could it be vinifera? 
Im also looking for advice on transplanting it to the ground. Should I wait until the flowers finish up their cycle or stick it in the ground now? 

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Absolutely a sargentii. P. vinifera crownshft is different and does not self trim until larger.

Planting now should not affect anything as root disturbance would be minimal coming out of a pot. Nice find! :shaka-2:

Here's my vinifera to compare.

 

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D. Morrowii

Ok thanks guys, appreciate the info. 

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