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Palm Beach Palm & Cycad Society General Meeting with Dr. Larry Noblick

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PBPCS General Meeting: Wednesday May 5, 2021 @ 7 pm

Speaker: Dr. Larry Noblick

"An Ice Age Relic Palm in Arizona"
In the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge of Arizona, there is a relic population of Washingtonia growing in a remote narrow desert canyon surrounded by Sonoran Desert vegetation. Some scientists have dared to recognize it as a new species and others have dismissed the idea. In a recent study it was found to be an outlier from all others in the genus based on morphology. Is it a new species?

Zoom Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85841720590?pwd=Um11UVZPTk12RUZOWHBZWHVueVNEZz09

 Call in:  1-669-900-6833   Meeting ID: 85841720590  

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A possible new species of palm within the United States...

For those who didn't attend, you missed a fascinating meeting. Larry is a great speaker and created a wonderful presentation with photos, maps, data and statistics. I know the presentation was recorded but I do not know where or when it will be made available for viewing. I was taking notes and images like crazy. Just the thought of a new species had me glued to the info being displayed.

- There was a lot of info to process. A few random images of the presentation: Introductions and overview of the explored areas.

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- Making the trek through established and known areas...

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- Closer and closer to the target area... - Background of when the mystery population was first discovered...

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- There it is... An isolated canyon in the middle of nowhere. I went 'wow' as the population did look different...

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- Steep and rocky. Larry poses with the locals... The initial question.

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- Theory and hypothesis before the data. Which species?

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- Specimen material has been collected for a while, including seed from the suspect population which are being grown and compared. First, the anatomical data was compared before continuing on to the molecular data...

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The presentation continued with several more comparisons with the collected data. Whenever you have the chance, you should watch the entire presentation. Larry has much more background into the adventure including the summary of all the research. Once again, a great meeting by the society.

Ryan

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Wouldn't mind a separate spot for this variety/species. :) Looking forward to watching at some point. Thanks to PBPCS and Dr. Noblick both!

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On 5/5/2021 at 9:45 PM, kinzyjr said:

Wouldn't mind a separate spot for this variety/species. ...

I agree. Wherever the conclusion leads, I could see this palm receiving a locality name and grown as a horticultural item or conversation piece. With its backstory and isolated habitat, it could easily become a collectable traded among palm fanatics.

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On 5/7/2021 at 5:38 PM, Palmarum said:

I agree. Wherever the conclusion leads, I could see this palm receiving a locality name and grown as a horticultural item or conversation piece. With its backstory and isolated habitat, it could easily become a collectable traded among palm fanatics.

Ryan

 

It's funny that we just had an IPS article not long ago about consolidating the two species we do have into one, and now there might be a third. :)

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Just now, kinzyjr said:

It's funny that we just had an IPS article not long ago about consolidating the two species we do have into one, and now there might be a third. :)

Part of taxonomy trends that stretches on for years. We see twenty years of lumping species and genera together, then it rebounds and we get twenty years of separation and differentiation. Up and down, up and down. It seems to happen during a flurry of exploration, or when new diagnostic and identification techniques come out, or when botanists get a lot of caffeine.

There are so many corners in the Palm world that still need to be explored.

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