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Sabal Mexicana survived 0F


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It looks like my Sabal Mexicana survived 0F.  The DFW area. Night temperatures were 10, 5, and 0F. 

 

Today I did the surgery and I cut off 2-3 ft from the top. Finally I reached healthy and firm tissue. You can see lines of young fronds. Now we need hot days and warm nights for it to start growing. 

 

S.

 

 

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I hope they make it, What makes you think your palm is a Mexicana, I thought you originally said it was a Palmetto if I am not mistaken.  

Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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15 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

I hope they make it, What makes you think your palm is a Mexicana, I thought you originally said it was a Palmetto if I am not mistaken.  

I like to keep labels from the plants I have purchases. I dug through my old papers and I found Sabal Mexicana. 

I bought it at HomeDepot.

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Just now, smatofu said:

I like to keep labels from the plants I have purchases. I dug through my old papers and I found Sabal Mexicana. 

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Ok- Was it 4ft when you got it? It should have produced seeds if it’s that tall 20Ft one you mentioned before, or do you have both?

Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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2 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

Ok- Was it 4ft when you got it? It should have produced seeds if it’s that tall 20Ft one you mentioned before, or do you have both?

that 4 ft grew to 20 ft.  it had tons of seedlings but only 2 survived.  I am collecting seeds. I don't know if they worth anything being in 0F freeze. 

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I have robusta seeds that are sprouting. They survived in the snow and ice for a week. 

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Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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1 minute ago, Collectorpalms said:

I have robusta seeds that are sprouting. They survived in the snow and ice for a week. 

Then I will have 100-200 seeds collected from crevices between the trunk and old fronds. 

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1 minute ago, smatofu said:

Then I will have 100-200 seeds collected from crevices between the trunk and old fronds. 

Most of my Mexicana seedlings in pots survived a Week in the cold too. My personal weather station got to 4*

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Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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35 minutes ago, smatofu said:

It looks like my Sabal Mexicana survived 0F.  The DFW area. Night temperatures were 10, 5, and 0F. 

 

Today I did the surgery and I cut off 2-3 ft from the top. Finally I reached healthy and firm tissue. You can see lines of young fronds. Now we need hot days and warm nights for it to start growing. 

 

S.

 

 

Nice! I want that Sabal cultivar. Sabal Mexicana "Dfw hardy"

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Nothing to say here. 

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My Sabal's seedlings were around the palm, many actually germinated on the palm where fronds connect with the trunk. Out of 100 or so seedlings, I found only 1 with a green leaf. 

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1 minute ago, smatofu said:

My Sabal's seedlings were around the palm, many actually germinated on the palm where fronds connect with the trunk. Out of 100 or so seedlings, I found only 1 with a green leaf. 

Cool, one day, you can sell it on palmtalk and it will become a cultivar!

Nothing to say here. 

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In this picture the one further away and to the left is a palmetto it appears dead. The one closer on the right is alive and a Mexicana. The seeds are still under the trees. The Mexicana is alive, the palmetto doesn’t look like it.

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Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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3 minutes ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Nice! I want that Sabal cultivar. Sabal Mexicana "Dfw hardy"

:) The palms was very healthy going into the winter. I covered it with thick blankets, but no heating. It could have been protected much better. The damage was deep. It barely survived. 

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Good job, I am happy to see any palms alive in Texas!

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Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

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I'm glad to hear that it is recovering .

I had a 100 year event they said here in 2018 , and should've cut into solid tissue but I waited into well into May and rot had settled throughout the bud . These were mature and flowering HC Palmettos that were trunking . I'll protect the trunk if I see anything remotely like that winter cold snap of 8 days below 32F , and I'll cut back on the trunk if I don't see growth by sometime in April . My protection is bulletproof so I won't worry too much about spring growth as long as I get my trunk protection on . I think they would've survived with a good pruning down to live tissue .

Will

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Great news!  I am in the DFW area as well and bought a 15G S. Mexicana last year.  Just put it in the ground in October, and basically all of the fronds above ground perished, petioles stayed mostly green and to my surprise it is rockin' now.  Congrats!  These seem pretty dang tolerant of cold, so I added a few more to our property.IMG_20210415_114740.thumb.JPG.86b6a8c88c928d6a8dedcb6ae7fef9bb.JPG

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Subscribe to my YouTube here  to follow along my Sabal obsession....  Quite possibly one of the biggest Sabal plantings in the US.

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54 minutes ago, tlow said:

Great news!  I am in the DFW area as well and bought a 15G S. Mexicana last year.  Just put it in the ground in October, and basically all of the fronds above ground perished, petioles stayed mostly green and to my surprise it is rockin' now.  Congrats!  These seem pretty dang tolerant of cold, so I added a few more to our property.IMG_20210415_114740.thumb.JPG.86b6a8c88c928d6a8dedcb6ae7fef9bb.JPG

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Once it forms a trunk, Sabal Mexicana grows almost a foot of trunk a year, and I don’t even supplement with water. Palmetto, is about 1/2 the speed for me, and takes much longer to get to that stage. 
I haven’t added any Mexicana to my collection this year. I have plenty of seedlings from one of my trees. But I did add some other Sabals, since they faired the best overall to the freeze, and do the best with my soil and water. 

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Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

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1 minute ago, Collectorpalms said:

Once it forms a trunk, Sabal Mexicana grows almost a foot of trunk a year, and I don’t even supplement with water. Palmetto, is about 1/2 the speed for me, and takes much longer to get to that stage. 
I haven’t added any Mexicana to my collection this year. I have plenty of seedlings from one of my trees. But I did add some other Sabals, since they faired the best overall to the freeze, and do the best with my soil and water. 

Awesome!  I didn't realize they went that quick once they're established.  These were sold to me as 15Gs and I'm surprised they made it through the storm.  If you need to find a home for your S. Mexicana seedlings I have space! 

Subscribe to my YouTube here  to follow along my Sabal obsession....  Quite possibly one of the biggest Sabal plantings in the US.

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14 minutes ago, tlow said:

Awesome!  I didn't realize they went that quick once they're established.  These were sold to me as 15Gs and I'm surprised they made it through the storm.  If you need to find a home for your S. Mexicana seedlings I have space! 

I will grow them up to the minimum planting size. I believe most people do not want to deal with seedlings they have to care for, and or shipped bare-root plants. 
As the collector of the seeds, buyers can be assured they are getting the right species.... and from a parent palm that survived the freeze.

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Current Texas Gardening Zone 9a, Mean (1999-2024): 22F Low/104F High. Yearly Precipitation 39.17 inches.

Extremes: Low Min 4F 2021, 13.8F 2024. High Max 112F 2011/2023, Precipitation Max 58 inches 2015, Lowest 19 Inches 2011.

Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KTXCOLLE465

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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An update: the palm is growing at the rate of about 1/4 inch per day.

I cut off 2-3 feet of rotten tissue. If I didn't do it, in an optimistic scenario, it would take the palm 2-3 months to push the rot out of the crown. 

 

 

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Treatment: the spear/crown (whatever was left of it) was soaked with copper Phyton 27 solution every few days. Solution: 2 drops per 1 qt of water (+a little of neem oil + insecticide)

Occasionally, maybe every week, hydrogen peroxide was used. HP was removed a few hours after application.

Most of all, the spear/crown was kept dry, except copper solution.

:) I don't know how much positive came from the treatment, but I know it didn't kill the palm.  I guess flies can detect rot and after every treatment insect activity (and foul smell) was significantly reduced.

I stopped soaking and only sprayed with copper after the weather became warm and sunny. 

 

 

 

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On 5/6/2021 at 7:52 AM, smatofu said:

An update: the palm is growing at the rate of about 1/4 inch per day.

I cut off 2-3 feet of rotten tissue. If I didn't do it, in an optimistic scenario, it would take the palm 2-3 months to push the rot out of the crown. 

 

 

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Any updates on how the palms doing?

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On 9/21/2021 at 2:42 PM, KsLouisiana said:

Any updates on how the palms doing?

Hi,

the palm is doing great! Maybe 20 green healthy fronds.  The fronds are 6 feet or larger.  The only sign of winter damage is thinner trunk above the place I cut, but I hope it will disappear with time.

At the end, I lost 2 sagos. One of my 6-feet windmills is still growing small and deformed fronds... perhaps it needs more time to recover. 

S.

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Here's mine just a few months later... It not only survived, but has put out three really big fronds, with one spear right behind now popping up.  Can't believe this one survived .8F per our backyard weather station.

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7 hours ago, smatofu said:

Hi,

the palm is doing great! Maybe 20 green healthy fronds.  The fronds are 6 feet or larger.  The only sign of winter damage is thinner trunk above the place I cut, but I hope it will disappear with time.

At the end, I lost 2 sagos. One of my 6-feet windmills is still growing small and deformed fronds... perhaps it needs more time to recover. 

S.

20 fronds for that palm you took those pics of in May this year? I need to see pics!!
:D 

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1 minute ago, smatofu said:

Enjoy fronds counting... I gave up after 10 :D

 

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WOW incredible!!!  Whenever you get seeds and have some to distribute I would gladly take some :-)

Subscribe to my YouTube here  to follow along my Sabal obsession....  Quite possibly one of the biggest Sabal plantings in the US.

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1 minute ago, tlow said:

WOW incredible!!!  Whenever you get seeds and have some to distribute I would gladly take some :-)

Remind me next year when there are fresh seeds.  I will send you. 

Old seeds that were in the crannies have already germinated. 

 

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On 9/30/2021 at 3:50 PM, smatofu said:

Enjoy fronds counting... I gave up after 10 :D

 

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Holy cow! That is awesome. I was not expecting this. Good work saving it! Makes me so happy. Is there many around DFW that lived? I haven't been up there since the freeze

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[Is there many around DFW that lived?] I saw 10-20 sabals in my neighborhood. Mine is the only that survived. 

2 factors:

- I planted a small palm and it became very well established.

- it was wrapped in blankets.

 

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