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Here is a catalog of all the bigger CIDP's around London and their locations, so that they can be monitored moving forward. It also helps for people to know where they can find them exactly, should they be in the area and decide to visit some. Many of these CIDP's are not well known, so I will be photo-documenting and logging quite a lot of fairly large specimens in the city and suburbs.

Starting with the one at Lambeth Bridge...

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River Gardens, Fulham

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Hollands Park

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Kensington

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These CIDP's on the intersection are fruiting profusely and producing viable seed...

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Another one further down the street...

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There's two big CIDP's outside Hackney town hall. They've been there about 20 years. 

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Egerton Place

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It's in need of a trim, which will make the trunk look even bigger...

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Mount Street gardens, Mayfair

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Notting Hill

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Richmond

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White City, west London

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Clapham

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Next to a church in Ealing, West London.

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Next to Wimbledon fire station. 

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People's back gardens in Bermondsey, south west London

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Wapping, East London

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Eaton Square...

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Islington

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North Kensington...

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Clapham again...

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Camberwell...

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Southwark...

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East Dulwich

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Croydon

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Apartments in Fulham

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St. Annes in Notting Hill

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Front gardens kitted out...

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Earlsfield

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Another in Notting Hill...

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A back yard in the London suburb of Leyton...

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Decent sized specimen in Walworth...

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That will do for now. I will upload the rest tomorrow as there are tons of other CIDP's in people's gardens/yards. I've barely scratched the surface on the London CIDP's yet...

 

 

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redant

Very robust looking cidp's  they obviously enjoy the climate.

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HtownPalms

They look great! Here I am in Texas and all of our CIDP's are burnt to a crisp. :(

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Axel Amsterdam

fantastic collection of pictures.  

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UK_Palms

Here are a bunch of big CIDP's in London residential areas, which were probably planted as small palms about 10-15 years ago. All of these pictures are from London...

Peckham

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Clapham

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Forest Hill

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Abbey Wood

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Catford

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Chiswick

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Tooting

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Clapham

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Catford

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Roseneath Road SW11

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Church Lane, Teddington

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Holland Park

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Enfield

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Victoria Park

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This image is from way back in 2011. No idea where it is in London, but if it is still there it is going to be massive now. I suspect it is out there somewhere, just waaaaay bigger...

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North Kensington

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The London councils are planting them as 'street trees' in places..

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Brixton

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Chelsea Physic Garden

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Peckham Rye

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Isle of Dogs, east London

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White City (London)

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Rotherhithe

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Catford

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Rupert Cavendish's Earl's Court garden with a nice CIDP

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Which is massively overshadowed and dwarfed by his magnificent Washingtonia Robusta

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Lambeth

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Buckmaster Road, Battersea SW11

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Belgravia gardens

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More to follow, of course...

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Collectorpalms

What is the lowest temperature these CIDP have experienced? What is London’s all time record low, and days below freezing? To me it looks like it’s been above -6/7C for several years at least to have such full crowns.

I have two CIDP, that just went through a low of -15C, and 8 consecutive days below freezing in zone 8B Texas. They were over 20 years old.

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Palmlover.

Some of them seem to be hybrids

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Gorgeous specimen in Finsbury Park, north London

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A big CIDP growing next to the Royal Gate Apartments in South Hackney. The trunk is huge, but hidden by the fence and bushes. 

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This steetview image from Kentish Town, North London is now 3 years old, so this specimen must be a lot bigger by now...

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Alloway Road, London E3

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Princess Diana Playground at Hyde Park

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There's two more in the background...

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London borough of Hackney again

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I'm surprised this one in Acton has evaded the chainsaw man in recent years...

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Canning Town, London

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Seeley Road, Croydon (London) SW17

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Grenwich

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Knightsbridge

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South Bank

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Barking

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Queens Park NW6

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Brompton Park Crescent

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Ilford

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Marylebone

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Surbiton (south west suburbs)

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One of two CIDP's planted outside the Natural History Museum. This picture is 3 years old now, so they will be bigger...

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This is the Park Inn Hotel at Heathrow airport. The picture is 4 years old now but the palm is still there and way bigger looking at the aerial images. 

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Brixton

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The Notting Hill - Ladbroke Grove - Kensal Rise area is a bit of a CIDP hotspot...

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Several CIDP's growing near the Ladbroke bridge

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Here's one of them...

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Hackney canal

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The Lewisham area of London is also a bit of a palm hotspot as well these days...

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A monster in the making in this Lewisham back yard.... good heavens... that fence is almost 15 foot high...

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Lewisham again and certainly one spot to keep an eye on in the years to come...

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Here's the exact location (street view) of that big Tulse Hill specimen...

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I've still got more photos to add, but this lot will have to do for now. I have cataloged and photo documented plenty of London CIDP's now, so they can be closely monitored via streetview/maps and by people visiting them, while they continue to grow and thrive. It will be interesting to see what the landscape looks like in say... another 10 years from now...

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6 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

What is the lowest temperature these CIDP have experienced? What is London’s all time record low, and days below freezing? To me it looks like it’s been above -6/7C for several years at least to have such full crowns.

I have two CIDP, that just went through a low of -15C, and 8 consecutive days below freezing in zone 8B Texas. They were over 20 years old.

 

Well I live out in the rural countryside, about 30 miles southwest of central London and the coldest I have ever seen here is -11C in December 2010 and February 2018. The coldest the outer suburbs of London saw back then was about -8C, with the inner suburbs seeing about -6C and central London only going down to about -4C or -5C. So the UHI clearly has a massive effect, even in the outer suburbs. Although London is also much closer to the coast than I am here, which is why east London is always a bit warmer than west London in winter, with the opposite being true in summer. London's proximity to the coast and the massive UHI that 20 million people generate clearly helps those CIDP survive long term there and thrive. 

Officially, the record low for London is -16C but that was set in the northwestern inland suburbs that are higher elevation and a notorious frost pocket. I think St. James Park and London City airport only went down to about -3.5C or something during the 2010 and 2018 freezes. Those parts of central and eastern London, especially along the river Thames, are actually 10a zones most winters nowadays. Central and eastern London in general is 9b. The outer suburbs are pretty much all 9a. Where I am here out in the rural country with no UHI, I am either 8b or 9a. It's usually 9a here for me, but I will experience an 8b winter every 3 years or so. Due to me having no UHI effect here, I can get hammered on clear winter nights, during radiational cooling. I may go down to -6C here when central London is hovering around 0C. So central London can be as much as 6 - 7C warmer than me on my coldest of nights. 

The two big CIDP's outside Hackney Town Hall have been there for over 20 years and were planted in the late 90's. Since then they have survived the record cold in 2010 when they were much smaller back then. Most of the CIDP's in this thread probably haven't seen anything below -6C. Some in the outer suburbs may have seen the odd -8C, but not many. Some of the central London ones have probably only ever seen -4C or -5C. Of course you can't rule out a freak, record cold freeze happening again, but the fact that the UK is an island, combined with us having the jet and gulf streams, as well as London's massive UHI effect... well I just can't see any amount of cold fazing those big CIDP now. Not at those sizes. Plus we just don't get the continental polar vortex's that you guys can get over in North America. 

The two Hackney specimens...

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There is yet another big CIDP literally just around the corner from the town hall, outside the 'Old Ship Inn' pub...

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I remember seeing lows around -5c in the forecast this past January or Feb I believe for London with snow on the ground multiple days. While these are very nice, extremely hardy palms like CIDP and Trachycarpus seem to be among the anomalous few that could survive and grow to be decent specimens in such damp cold winters. How cold did it actually get this winter?

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6 minutes ago, Matthew92 said:

I remember seeing lows around -5c in the forecast this past January or Feb I believe for London with snow on the ground multiple days. While these are very nice, extremely hardy palms like CIDP and Trachycarpus seem to be among the anomalous few that could survive and grow to be decent specimens in such damp cold winters. How cold did it actually get this winter?

Yes, this winter just gone was significantly colder than the two previous record mild winters of 2019 and 2020. Ultimately though, it wasn't actually that bad for London and southern England. There was a bit of snow and about 48 hours below freezing, but no temperatures below -4C for central and eastern London and only about -5C for suburban areas. Established CIDP's wouldn't bat an eyelid at those temperatures, or even that duration.

London's palms would have experienced colder conditions in 2010 and 2018, when they also would have been smaller. Yet they came through those freeze events just fine. I honestly don't think this winter will faze any of them. The fact that some have been there for 20+ years now reaffirms that. They would have seen worse in the past, during previous winters, when they were much smaller as well. So this winter was barely a test for them. 

Regarding temperatures, Heathrow in the western, inland suburbs went down to -6C this winter. The St. James Park and Kew Gardens stations both went down to -5C. The lowest temperature at London City Airport was -4C. Westminster, Waterloo and the Natural History Museum (south Kensington) only went down to -3C. Those are the central London areas with the greatest UHI effect in winter. I doubt the CIDP's in central London even took damage. Some of the ones in the suburbs may have took a little bit of damage, but they'll be fine.

Basically none of the palms shown in these pictures saw anything lower than -5C or -6C. Most would have seen about -4C. I am 30 miles outside of central London in the rural countryside with no UHI effect. The lowest I saw here was -6.8C. London would have been at least 2-3C warmer on any given night this winter.  I have a small CIDP in the ground here and it has only taken a bit of damage to the outer fronds and is now pushing a new spear again.

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DoomsDave

@UK_Palms! Wow!

I’be run out of expletives.

Do keep the pictures coming.

Any other palms like Braheas or Sabals?

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4 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

@UK_Palms! Wow!

I’be run out of expletives.

Do keep the pictures coming.

Any other palms like Braheas or Sabals?

 

Dave, off the back of my mind I don't know of any Sabal's around London, but I'm sure these is a few out there... somewhere. There are however quite a few Braheas dotted about...

 

Kew (Richmond) in London

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Wimbledon, London

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Kensal House in Ladbroke Grove, London

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This is about 20 minutes outside of London in Kent

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Connaught Gardens in Devon

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Brahea Brandeggei in Abbotsbury Suptoprical Garden, Dorset. 

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Brahea Armata in Southsea, Portsmouth

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I would like to know where this is in Kent as the picture is about 5-6 years old now and surely much bigger. Our good pal Axel found it, at least I think, so he probably knows it's location...?

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Paul Spracklin's garden in Essex, just east of London...

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Give us another 10 years or so, since we are kind of playing catch up over here, on this side of the pond! We are fast getting zone pushers established here though, whether that is Brahea, Butia, Chamaerops, Jubaea, Phoenix, Washingtonia etc. Our UK palm enthusiasts are growing bigger specimens, and more of them, every passing year. 

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Moving away from London for a moment, here are some more CIDP's from around southern England... all along the south coast...

Eastbourne

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Southsea, Portsmouth

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There's 7-8 big ones growing along the parade, near the sea front.

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It's hard to believe that they once looked like this back in 1998...

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But now they look like this...

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These ones are even further down the road... all looking great...

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Isle of Wight

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Weymouth

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These ones in Weymouth look to be about 5-10 years behind the much more impressive Southsea ones...

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Torquay

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Right on the beachfront...

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Kings gardens...

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More near the esplanade...

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English countryside backdrop in winter... (this is well inland from the coast)...

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Here is the big Torquay CIDP in a private garden, back in 2010. I think it is over 100 years old now and it's probably the biggest on the UK mainland. I would love to see a more recent picture of it, up close with trunk and all...

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You can still see it towering above the houses on the most recent street view, with its bright orange inflorescence...

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A bizarre Phoenix (possibly hybrid) in Weston-Super-Mare, Somerset. These photo's came via 'Trigerr' on the EPS.

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There's a gorgeous specimen at Blenheim Gardens in Minehead as well...

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Cornwall obviously has quite a few big ones...

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Morrab Gardens, Cornwall...

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One place that nobody ever gets to see is the islands of Guernsey and Jersey in the English Channel. Technically it is part of the UK. There are some big and nice looking CIDP's there...

St. Paul's, Guernsey

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Check out this beast on Guernsey...

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Another big one in Guernsey at Candie Gardens, although looking at that trunk it may well be on borrowed time...

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These pictures are from 2009 at the hidden Victorian Garden in Rozel Bay, Jersey. Possibly a Dacty hybrid? I would love to see a more recent image, if any exist...?

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Gorey, Jersey

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Street view only goes back to 2010, but there is another huge CIDP and two big Washies on the side of a cliff near these last few pics

 

Obviously the UK's biggest CIDP's are found at the Abbey Gardens on Tresco, Isles of Scilly... need I say more...

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sch0025@phsc.vic.edu.au

These are some lovely palms, yet i cant help but notice that compared to our ones down under they are puny and small. I think it has something to do with the hotter weather and hot air? keep trying but they have nothing on the ones i own and tend to.

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They look far more impressive than most all of the Phoenix I see here in the southern USA, which are generally uglier and punier and I say that even removing hybridization issues. Many you have captured rival Northern California and Southern Oregon specimens I have seen in person.  Clearly they prefer the cooler climate.  I have a few 15 years in the ground from 15 gallon pots and they simply do not grow nearly as fast here.  Light soils, too much heat in summer, and too much cold in our very short winters 

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Some lovely pictures representing the considerable number of magnificent CIDP that flourish in southern england including London.   They are a very common sight in gardens and parks close to my own locality where I have lived for quite some time - benefitting not from urban heat because it is semi-rural  - but coastal modification which has quite an effect on reducing frequency and intensity of frosts.  

Consideration towards continental European style summers with greater sunshine hours and heat relative to other parts of the UK is one main factor contributing to the staying power of these palms - and which equips them to deal with the occasional freezes that come their way in sporadic winters as well as the generally dull, chilly, windy and perpetually soggy conditions that prevail most commonly at that time of the year and which do not ideally suit the requirements of a palm such as CIDP (and others of course).

It is ironic that CIDP are flourishing and with numbers increasing all the time in southern england in these favoured places, and where there is also not (yet)  the threat of red palm weevil that has decimated so many CIDP across wide areas much closer towards their native home in southern europe, and has been slowly extending northwards in recent years and is now found not far at all the other side of the English channel in Western France.

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The photograph of one of the Southsea Phoenix canariensis when small was taken by me & is from spring 1997 after their first winter (they were planted in 1996).

Also the Phoenix in Weymouth were planted at that size as they were imported for the Olympics in 2012 as the sailing events took place in Weymouth & Portland. They don't seem to have grown very much in that time, which is I guess a lesson that it's better to plant them as small plants as they establish better & grow faster that way.

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Our good friend RH GROWS has just uploaded a close up of the River Gardens CIDP in Fulham, London. If the skirt was trimmed back more, the trunk would look way bigger...

More from London...

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Same road, 10 houses down...

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Possible CIDP x Dacty hybrid on the outskirts of southeastern London, but the 7-8 foot trunk is obstructed by building works and a wall...

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Portsmouth again...

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Essex and Kent...

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A few more from London...

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More impressive specimens coming out of London...

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Location for the Holland Park beasts...

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The street view image below is 4 years old and they are much bigger now...

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That one on Addison Road is a contender for most trunk, though it has quite an airy crown.  Not even many in Torquay have that much trunk.

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4 hours ago, Ryland said:

That one on Addison Road is a contender for most trunk, though it has quite an airy crown.  Not even many in Torquay have that much trunk.

That Addison Road one has been too heavily pruned to make the trunk look bigger and to give it the 'pineapple' appearance. The crown should fill out again nicely this summer though. It's also still settling in from a transplant a few years back. I think they were brought over from Spain. Pretty much all of the London CIDP's were planted as tiny specimens from garden centres, which have then grown to become large, relatively speaking. The Addison Road ones are an exception to that, which were imported at a fairly large size and planted there about 3-4 years ago.

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There's nothing unusual about big ones getting planted though. Most of the real big, ancient CIDP's in Beverley Hills and Hollywood were transplanted there as already big, mature 30 foot specimens around a century ago. There's quite a few pictures online of the big LA CIDP's being carted in and planted as already mature 30 foot specimens back then. Now they're enormous and about 100 foot tall. London should have started doing this back in the 90's. Bringing in a couple of big, already trunking CIDP's. The urban heat island is so big now that central London never drops below about -6C even during the worst cold events. If they planted big specimens like the Addison Road one 20-30 years ago, they would be huge now.

LA in 1913...

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I would say the trunk on the Addison Road one is a similar size to the big Fulham CIDP, which was planted as a tiny palm in 1987 I believe. That one is well overdue a trim and its trunk would look much bigger if it was trimmed as aggressively as the Addison Road ones. So they're probably about the same size. I know there is another big CIDP in south London in a back yard, which I had a photo of on my old laptop. One that can rival the Addison Road and Fulham CIDP's. Maybe a little bit smaller, but still pretty darn big now. Give me time and I will locate that one too.

One palm I haven't mentioned is Peter Jenkins Phoenix Theophrasti in Ashford, Middlesex. Quite far inland out near Heathrow airport. A fantastic specimen. Grown from seed I believe. 

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