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ID please, I think it is a chamy


Steve Mac

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First, it is big if it is a chamaedoea.  The trunk is 230mm or 9 inches around, the leaves are long 1.8m or 6ft.

The leaflets are quite broad at 70mm or 3 inches and the leaflets themselves are quite long at 600mm or 2ft long. 

The trunk and crown are shiny but the leaflets are dull. The plant holds seven leaves and a spear.

I just know that one of you people has this plant, and it is reasonably resistant to sun and wind. No flowers yet. It grows quite quickly.

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Prominently raised ribs

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Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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Looks very similar to a big C. tepilijote that I have;  with a couple of exceptions. Although the one growing my garden is pretty sun hardy, the crown is not as full, usually only holding about 4-5 fronds. Secondly, it’s been flowering for years, unlike yours. The dull leaflets are throwing me a bit though. Reminds me of a C. alternans I have, but that palm generally clusters a lot. Beautiful, whatever it is.

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Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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Thanks Kyle, I have other woodsonianas, they are not so thick and grow even faster and taller are darker green and a more pronounced leaf scar.

I'm thinking linearis?

Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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6 minutes ago, kylecawazafla said:

Chamaedorea woodsoniana 

If so, it’s way chunkier and fuller crowned than any I’ve seen, but that could just be a climate thing.

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Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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24 minutes ago, gtsteve said:

Thanks Kyle, I have other woodsonianas, they are not so thick and grow even faster and taller are darker green and a more pronounced leaf scar.

I'm thinking linearis?

Interesting Steve. I actually have a small one of those growing in the garden. I’ll have to look at it in the sunlight. I’d be thrilled to have it turn out like that!

Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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I think linearis. I agree with some others that it’s not a woodsoniana, they tend to be darker green and fronds more rigid and upright from what I’ve seen. Could be a very robust tepejilote, but mine and others I’ve seen start flowering nearly as soon as there is exposed trunk. 

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

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@quaman58 Hey Brett, you may be in luck, if Tim @tim_brissy_13 concurs on linearis I am really confident, If only Steve @Stevetoad  (one of the best ID'ers on here) would have a look, that would settle it for me. 

Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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It is not linearis as linearis  has a mottled trunk, it looks like C. Woodsoniana, giant form

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Colin

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coastal north facing location

100klm south of Sydney

NSW

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Thanks Colin,  I considered that but compared to my other woodys this plant has much less of a ledge on the leaf scars and the leaf ribs on my other woodys are on the underside of the leaflets. Looking at Hodels book now on Chamys at the keys page 332 linearis and woodsoniana are right next to each other, it seems that the nerves on the top or bottom may be a key factor, but I am still unsure.

I have seen (on google) mottled linearis but not all, so I am not sure if it is variable.  

Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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3 hours ago, gtsteve said:

@quaman58 Hey Brett, you may be in luck, if Tim @tim_brissy_13 concurs on linearis I am really confident, If only Steve @Stevetoad  (one of the best ID'ers on here) would have a look, that would settle it for me. 

Haha. Thanks for the compliment. I think it’s a really really nice tepilijote.  Here’s mine for comparison. The frosty leave on yours is a trait mine does not have though. 
it just dropped a leaf so the groves in the crownshaft aren’t very prominent yet. 

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"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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Wow, that is really similar and a fat tepe, Except for the ribs or nerves in the leaflets that Hodel said was five for tepejilote like yours, and my other tepes but the plant in question has nine?

Steve I see what you mean about the grooves in the new crownshaft but I am not confidant that they will aver look the same.

I figure that it has to be tepe, woody or linearis.  There must be a deciding factor,  What is the biggist Chamy anyway? This thing is a full 3 inches across.

 

Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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10 minutes ago, gtsteve said:

Wow, that is really similar and a fat tepe, Except for the ribs or nerves in the leaflets that Hodel said was five for tepejilote like yours, and my other tepes but the plant in question has nine?

Steve I see what you mean about the grooves in the new crownshaft but I am not confidant that they will aver look the same.

I figure that it has to be tepe, woody or linearis.  There must be a deciding factor,  What is the biggist Chamy anyway? This thing is a full 3 inches across.

 

Woodsoniana is the biggest I believe. I wonder if yours isn’t pure and has some other blood in it. My chammys seem to hybridized any chance they get. Yours is a great looking plant. 

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"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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1 hour ago, Stevetoad said:

"I wonder if yours isn’t pure"

Oh, I had not thought about that, I steal seeds from everywhere, I never keep any records of anything, (I forget my wife's birthday), when I make a label the magpies or butcher birds or grandchildren pull them out, I have about three dozen Chamys in a very small area, you may have a point. One thing that I am sure of is, that I don't know where it came from. 

But one thing I can see is that my other tepes are are darker green with less of a stepped leaf scar and thinner, and my woodys are really tall and skinny.

One of my woodys

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And one of my my tepes

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So that is why I am thinking that it is a linearis.

Steve my tepe is not like yours, I may have that misidentified?

 

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Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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