MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 The recent polar vortex nuclear winter event caused immense destruction in many ways and I lost about 25% of my landscape. I had a low of 8F on morning of February 15th and 7F on morning of February 16th. Starting on previous Thursday there was freezing rain that was followed by a large snowfall event then freezing rain then more snow. Temperatures remained below freezing for a consecutive 144 hours. The Sabal uresana individuals in my yard had to remain uncovered as I ran out of freeze covers since I had put them on all my more sensitive plants. I have two forms of Sabal uresana in my yard. One is a faster growing lighter blue variety that purportedly was collected at slightly lower elevations in Sonora state Mexico. This variety sustained about 25% leaf burn. The other variety of Sabal uresana in my yard are from seeds collected from large individuals north of Houston at John Fairey Garden. The leaves of latter variety are much stiffer and the two individuals of this variety I have in my garden grow about 50% slower than former variety I mention. The latter variety came out unscathed! I will attach photo of the former variety I mention first then will attach photos of two individuals I have of latter variety 1.pdf 2.pdf 3.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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ahosey01 1,015 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 This kind of stuff adds a little sweet to the bitterness of this disaster. So much cold hardiness information, particularly in regard to native Sabal spp, is already being collected. Like I said in another thread about a totally unphased group of Sabal minor... this is bonkers. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amh 1,195 Report post Posted February 22, 2021 Interesting observations, where did you acquire the faster growing form from. Also, is that a debaoensis hybrid I see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasColdHardyPalms 3,230 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 It's too soon to get an accurate leaf burn report. Another week with these 70s and sun will speed damage up a lot. More and more live oaks are browing out up here. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amh 1,195 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said: It's too soon to get an accurate leaf burn report. Another week with these 70s and sun will speed damage up a lot. More and more live oaks are browing out up here. Oaks are browning here too, I just hope the zone 6 rating is accurate. Good thing they will naturally loose their leaves soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xenon 2,422 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Got halfway to College Station from Houston on SH 6 when I noticed all the brown live oaks. Robusta in CS look very very very dead. Edited February 23, 2021 by Xenon 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoatLockerGuns 752 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 11 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said: More and more live oaks are browing out up here. Noticed that here too. I am seeing damage to many native species for this area. Went for a run on the Leon Creek Greenway yesterday (more like "Brownway" right now), and every Vachellia farnesiana (Huisache) I saw had brown/burnt leaves. I expect them to become completely defoliated within the next few weeks. The Dermatophyllum secundiflorum (Texas Mountain Laurel) in my yard looks like it took some cold damage too. Not sure about the current status of the local Prosopis glandulosa (Honey Mesquite), since they are still defoliated for winter; however, many of the trees I saw had started to bud prior to this Arctic Blast. I can't imagine those buds survived. The leaves on my Quercus virginiana (Southern Live Oak) are starting to darken in the warm weather. I haven't seen the status of the native Quercus fusiformis (Plateau Live Oak) yet, but I would image they are fairing similarly. Most of the Agave americana (Century Plant) around here do not look good either. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silas_Sancona 8,133 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, GoatLockerGuns said: Noticed that here too. I am seeing damage to many native species for this area. Went for a run on the Leon Creek Greenway yesterday (more like "Brownway" right now), and every Vachellia farnesiana (Huisache) I saw had brown/burnt leaves. I expect them to become completely defoliated within the next few weeks. The Dermatophyllum secundiflorum (Texas Mountain Laurel) in my yard looks like it took some cold damage too. Not sure about the current status of the local Prosopis glandulosa (Honey Mesquite), since they are still defoliated for winter; however, many of the trees I saw had started to bud prior to this Arctic Blast. I can't imagine those buds survived. The leaves on my Quercus virginiana (Southern Live Oak) are starting to darken in the warm weather. I haven't seen the status of the native Quercus fusiformis (Plateau Live Oak) yet, but I would image they are fairing similarly. Most of the Agave americana (Century Plant) around here do not look good either. I'd be quite surprised to see a high kill rate among any of the native trees there.. ( since they evolved w/ the region's climate ) Vachellia farnesiana ( and others like rigidula, schaffneri ) will defoliate ( to some degree ) here some years. Imagine Southern Live Oak will slough off any damage and push new foliage vigorously as it warms up. It's Coastal/near -coastal cousin in CA. will come back if torched in lower-mid intensity fires ( although they look like crappola right afterwards ) Imagine S. Live Oak are about as tough.. Older trees anyway. Prosopis glandulosa will likely be fine.. though maybe suffer some degree of finer- sized twig/stem die back. As i'm sure you know, almost impossible to kill Mesquites lol. Same general thought regarding Texas Mtn. Laurel/ Olive, Sandpaper Tree ( Ehretia anacua ) and Leucanea retusa.. Much more curious about how things like Arroyo Sweetwood ( Myrospermum sousanum ), Monterey and Royal Oak ( among other Mex. Oak species being grown in various gardens there ).. and younger Montezuma Cypress specimens planted around San Antonio/ Austin / elsewhere fare after this event. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amh 1,195 Report post Posted February 23, 2021 5 hours ago, GoatLockerGuns said: Noticed that here too. I am seeing damage to many native species for this area. Went for a run on the Leon Creek Greenway yesterday (more like "Brownway" right now), and every Vachellia farnesiana (Huisache) I saw had brown/burnt leaves. I expect them to become completely defoliated within the next few weeks. The Dermatophyllum secundiflorum (Texas Mountain Laurel) in my yard looks like it took some cold damage too. Not sure about the current status of the local Prosopis glandulosa (Honey Mesquite), since they are still defoliated for winter; however, many of the trees I saw had started to bud prior to this Arctic Blast. I can't imagine those buds survived. The leaves on my Quercus virginiana (Southern Live Oak) are starting to darken in the warm weather. I haven't seen the status of the native Quercus fusiformis (Plateau Live Oak) yet, but I would image they are fairing similarly. Most of the Agave americana (Century Plant) around here do not look good either. In my area the Dermatophyllum secundiflorum (Texas Mountain Laurel), Rhus virens (evergreen sumac) and Mahonia trifoliolata (agarita) are doing great, the Diospyros texana (Texas persimmon) have defoliated and the Quercus fusiformis (escarpment live oak) have browning leaves. Ulmus crassifolia (cedar elm) and Celtis laevigata (sugar hackberry) are zone 6 decidous, so they should be fine. My area doesnt bloom till the end of march, but I imagine there has been damage. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swolte 1,045 Report post Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said: Prosopis glandulosa will likely be fine.. though maybe suffer some degree of finer- sized twig/stem die back. As i'm sure you know, almost impossible to kill Mesquites lol. Same general thought regarding Texas Mtn. Laurel/ Olive, Sandpaper Tree ( Ehretia anacua ) and Leucanea retusa.. Much more curious about how things like Arroyo Sweetwood ( Myrospermum sousanum ), Monterey and Royal Oak ( among other Mex. Oak species being grown in various gardens there ).. and younger Montezuma Cypress specimens planted around San Antonio/ Austin / elsewhere fare after this event. I protected most of these (frostblanket or a bucket with some hay) and they look they'll make it. I don't think the sandpaper tree would have made it through 3F as I get damage to the leaves at far higher temps. It's still young, though. I did not protect Leucaena retusa so I am curious how that would fare as well. Scratch test does reveal some life but I'll be relieved when I see some buds grow. I also didn't protect the Monterey oak and, although it lost all leaves, it does look very much alive and I expect it to be budding out next month. I'll check on the young Montezuma (haven't looked). I do have a rare weeping-branch variety of Montezuma that I did protect (as much as possible) but it did lose all new leaves (they were just coming out!). It better make it! Edited February 24, 2021 by Swolte 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silas_Sancona 8,133 Report post Posted February 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Swolte said: I protected most of these (frostblanket or a bucket with some hay) and they look they'll make it. I don't think the sandpaper tree would have made it through 3F as I get damage to the leaves at far lower temps. It's still young, though. I did not protect Leucaena retusa so I am curious how that would fare as well. Scratch test does reveal some life but I'll be relieved when I see some buds grow. I also didn't protect the Monterey oak and, although it lost all leaves, it does look very much alive and I expect it to be budding out next month. I'll check on the young Montezuma (haven't looked). I do have a rare weeping-branch variety of Montezuma that I did protect (as much as possible) but it did lose all new leaves (they were just coming out!). It better make it! Surprisingly, Leucaena retusa is supposedly hardy to 5F, maybe lower so hopefully yours will survive... Hope the Weeping Montezuma does as well. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swolte 1,045 Report post Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Silas_Sancona said: Surprisingly, Leucaena retusa is supposedly hardy to 5F, maybe lower so hopefully yours will survive... Hope the Weeping Montezuma does as well. The golden leadball was surprisingly hard to find but would be replaceable. I had it grow 6 feet in a year (amazing) so it will fill up quick. Love the new foliage on these. That type of weeping montezuma (it does not have a straight trunk) is practically irreplaceable so I'll be disappointed if it dies! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silas_Sancona 8,133 Report post Posted February 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Swolte said: The golden leadball was surprisingly hard to find but would be replaceable. I had it grow 6 feet in a year (amazing) so it will fill up quick. Love the new foliage on these. That type of weeping montezuma (it does not have a straight trunk) is practically irreplaceable so I'll be disappointed if it dies! Have to say, really nervous about the Mexican Oaks in Peckerwood's/ JF garden's collection.. Most are hardy.. Question is.. are hardy enough to survive this kind of event.. Stinks this had to happen the first year Houston Botanical is up and going too.. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swolte 1,045 Report post Posted February 25, 2021 I am receiving the Houston Botanical Garden newletters and follow them on Facebook sometimes and I don't get the impression they were very concerned. In fact, they're opening the gardens up to the public already to enjoy. They were still able to tap into hordes of volunteer databases to help protect the plants and that was quite the operation. I wish I could say the same for JFGardens but they are less, how do you say... resilient, when it comes to manpower. I haven't heard much about the mexican oak collection yet but I did hear their Magnolia collection may have some casualties. I didn't even realize that as most of the magnolias that are commonly planted in residential areas look fine (mostly southern magnolia variants) but they had some rare specimens there from asia. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Collectorpalms 2,021 Report post Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/22/2021 at 11:03 PM, Xenon said: Got halfway to College Station from Houston on SH 6 when I noticed all the brown live oaks. Robusta in CS look very very very dead. They looked dead all the way to San Antonio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt N- Dallas 388 Report post Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/24/2021 at 9:34 PM, Swolte said: I am receiving the Houston Botanical Garden newletters and follow them on Facebook sometimes and I don't get the impression they were very concerned. In fact, they're opening the gardens up to the public already to enjoy. They were still able to tap into hordes of volunteer databases to help protect the plants and that was quite the operation. I wish I could say the same for JFGardens but they are less, how do you say... resilient, when it comes to manpower. I haven't heard much about the mexican oak collection yet but I did hear their Magnolia collection may have some casualties. I didn't even realize that as most of the magnolias that are commonly planted in residential areas look fine (mostly southern magnolia variants) but they had some rare specimens there from asia. I can’t speak for the state of any of the plants at the JF garden, but my magnolia Tamaulipas (originally from Peckerwood) survived the brutal cold in Dallas. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OC2Texaspalmlvr 1,135 Report post Posted February 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Matt N- Dallas said: I can’t speak for the state of any of the plants at the JF garden, but my magnolia Tamaulipas (originally from Peckerwood) survived the brutal cold in Dallas. Matt how did your garden fare ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 Photos of most of my in ground palms 2 + weeks post SNOVID here in Austin, Texas See original comments of recorded low and hours below freezing. I wrapped frost covers around most palms, over them on some and on others just around growing point region. The only palms I did not cover were Sabal uresana. The photos of these two individuals attached are from seeds collected from individuals at John Fairey Garden north of Houston. This form has much stiffer leaves than another form I have and only had small amount of leaf burn. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 This form of Sabal uresana is from North Texas Cold Hardy Palms and has less stiff leaves but grows about 50% faster than form on above post. It seems to be slightly less cold hardy but looks like it will survive and newest leaves and central growing region already pushing a new leaf. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 I have collected and planted many forms of Sabal minor and all just shrugged at arctic blast, even the ones I had just planted last fall as juveniles. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 I have two individuals of Brahea decumbens and both responded a little different to cold. The smaller individual is closer to house and had less damage. The larger individual that was more exposed burnt more but central growing region still holding tight without signs of rot. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 I have or maybe had two individuals of Phoenix loureiroi var. humilis 'Kashmir' The larger one next to house has green on rachis of newest leafs and newest leafs and strong and without rot. The smaller individual had all newest leafs rot and were easily pulled out. The latter will be replaced by something else. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 What had been a most beautiful individual of Brahea 'clara' just a few weeks ago looks absolutely melted but central growing region and newest leafs holding tight. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 What was sold to me as Sabal 'lisa' but morphed back into original Sabal palmetto form looks about perfect. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 Trachycarpus princeps without appreciable damage 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 Two individuals of Trachycarpus fortunei 'Wagnerianus' with slight burning at ends of some leaves 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 Two different individuals of Brahea moorei. The larger individual which has been in ground for 3 years had more damage but some green left on newest leaf and central growing region holding tight. The younger individual planted last year and in more exposed location had less damage and looks like it will survive 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 Chamaerops humilis var. argentea with slight damage 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swolte 1,045 Report post Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MASOALA JASON said: What had been a most beautiful individual of Brahea 'clara' just a few weeks ago looks absolutely melted but central growing region and newest leafs holding tight. I am in a similar boat as you with this one. I had protected it with frost cloth AND a large amount of hay but I am not sure it will make it (mine is smaller). In fact, it may be one of the few I cared about a lot that will die on me. Thanks for posting these updates! Impressive collection. I hope they will pull through. Edited March 7, 2021 by Swolte 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 Some updated photos of my yard in Central Texas after almost a year post historic snowstorm. Some photos are not of the best quality as I have been living at hospital for the last year due my job as infectious disease specialist but will attach the best ones I have Photos are of the same palms there were damaged in my original post. I will attempt to put updated in order of palms from original post. I will also add some cycad photos as various cycads have just exploded post snowstorm without any longterm damage. This photo is of one of the lowland form Sabal uresana, a from that grows about a double the speed of the more highland form I have 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 The highland form Sabal uresana which grows slower overall but granted this one is not in hottest spot in my yard 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 O The highland form Sabal uresana on right against a south wall grows faster will the extra heat. The cycad on the left is Cycas panzhihuaensis x debaoensis and came back with quickly after snowstorm 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 Not surprisingly Sabal minor just kept growing after snowstorm and did not incur any damage. In first photo palm to the left is Brahea decumbens 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 Brahea decumbens 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 Cycas debaoensis came back nicely 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 Sabal palmetto bought as "Lisa" form now showing it true form Sabal palmetto 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MASOALA JASON 156 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 Sabal revoluta x debaoensis with my favorite beer and with female sporophyllys at base 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites