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Mr.SamuraiSword
On 12/30/2020 at 10:22 PM, ngservet said:

Thank you everyone for your input. I came across the following monthly lowest minimum temperature for neighboring Edisto Beach. Including the 1985 winter which was a freak event it appears are annual mean over the past 35 years has been around 23F. Solid 9A. Furthermore we benefit from thick overhead canopy on the island due to strict restrictions on tree trimming and cutting. I am assuming this would nudge our ability to safely keep 9A/8B palms even further. I really like the Medjool Date palms but I am not sure if I would lose them? We are right on the ocean so the salt air would be something to contend with. Here is also a picture of some mature medjools that have been in the Hardeville, SC area on your way to Hilton Head. While slightly further south they are much further inland and likely a solid 8B. These did indeed survive the 2018 winter. (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3003249,-80.9559627,3a,75y,321.97h,99.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scT1iwlKTiOpL87NwZSIGMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

 

 

 

 

Mejools should be pretty bulletproof up to Charleston besides the rare century freezes and occasional damage in the 20 year freezes.  Theres some big healthy ones with huge canopies in Charleston, and some that do well marginally in Myrtle beach as pictured and across the NC border,

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Mr.SamuraiSword
On 1/1/2021 at 4:43 PM, ngservet said:

Massive Washingtonia robusta on E Bay Street in Charleston. Remember seeing these before but they were cut down. Ironically they were gone before the 2018 Winter Event. You can see they were here for more than a decade via google maps.

those were probably there for 40 years, theres quite a few big ones around town,

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https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7814684,-79.9430332,3a,75y,329.52h,118.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snlJ-4hpiXXK-78IiIDewrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

more

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7929487,-79.9480646,3a,75y,17.08h,112.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl0uftOOnUVX7abCNPpjrjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7721838,-79.9369381,3a,75y,244.75h,125.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saAoUll2VEUKcNjLw7JeSfw!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192

 

 

 

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ngservet

@Mr.SamuraiSword Do you know where some of these medjools are located in Charleston?? Thanks! Would love to see pictures. 

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Fusca
31 minutes ago, ngservet said:

If you're referring to what's planted behind the white frame house on the corner, those are cycads (Cycas revoluta).  I don't see any date palms in this image - only Sabal palmetto.

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ngservet

image.thumb.png.deee9bc4911445093a6b9903b5deada0.png@Fusca Sorry somehow the url link got mixed up.. Please see attached image. In front of the white house. 

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ngservet

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I am assuming these are both CIDP? Are they hardier than Medjool Date Palms?

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ngservet

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Some Queens that survived 2018 Jan. and maybe a Senegal Date Palm?? However it was gone by 2014. 

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Mr.SamuraiSword
49 minutes ago, ngservet said:

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Some Queens that survived 2018 Jan. and maybe a Senegal Date Palm?? However it was gone by 2014. 

The home behind the Senegal dste has a huge mejool

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Mr.SamuraiSword
14 hours ago, ngservet said:

image.thumb.png.deee9bc4911445093a6b9903b5deada0.png@Fusca Sorry somehow the url link got mixed up.. Please see attached image. In front of the white house. 

Yes those are Mejool clumps, good find!

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EastCanadaTropicals

What about dypsis decipens, as long as you're willing to give a little protection in cold waves.

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EastCanadaTropicals
13 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

The home behind the Senegal dste has a huge mejool

Queen palms look horrible, but impressive for Charleston.

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palmbrad

Copernicia alba may be an option in a protected spot. I have 2 small ones planted right next to my pond which have seen 24.4 without damage.

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Mr.SamuraiSword
13 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Queen palms look horrible, but impressive for Charleston.

Don't know if Horrible would be the right word, although the second one in that post was only planted in 2017 right before the big cold snap. This photo is of the first one, taken by a member of this forum

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EastCanadaTropicals
Just now, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Don't know if Horrible would be the right word, although the second one in that post was only planted in 2017 right before the big cold snap

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They should plant dypsis decipens instead, their more tropical looking, have much, much,much nicer fronds, and are a bit more cold hardy.

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ngservet

@Mr.SamuraiSwordThat queen in the second post was indeed planted right before the 2018 cold outbreak and unfortunately there were 3 others in addition to that one that succumbed and died. Shows how no two queens are alike in terms of cold hardiness. 

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Mr.SamuraiSword
1 hour ago, ngservet said:

@Mr.SamuraiSwordThat queen in the second post was indeed planted right before the 2018 cold outbreak and unfortunately there were 3 others in addition to that one that succumbed and died. Shows how no two queens are alike in terms of cold hardiness. 

Im quite surprised even one survived that cold unestablished, 

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ngservet

It must have been the urban heat island effect downtown and the fact that those buildings blocked that cold Arctic air out of the NW. Downtown’s average low in the middle of January is 42F which is significantly higher than the airport (North Charleston). Furthermore the peninsula is surrounded by water that never gets below 50F and there is tons of overhead canopy. I would assume some of these factors played a role. I’ll have to go downtown and check it out this week to see if it’s doing well.

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Fusca
1 hour ago, ngservet said:

Where can you find a dypsis decipens for sale? @EastCanadaTropicals

Several growers in SoCal sell them but few if any will ship because they don't ship well.  They're a tough grow in humid 9a from what I understand.

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Mr.SamuraiSword
40 minutes ago, ngservet said:

It must have been the urban heat island effect downtown and the fact that those buildings blocked that cold Arctic air out of the NW. Downtown’s average low in the middle of January is 42F which is significantly higher than the airport (North Charleston). Furthermore the peninsula is surrounded by water that never gets below 50F and there is tons of overhead canopy. I would assume some of these factors played a role. I’ll have to go downtown and check it out this week to see if it’s doing well.

I should hope so, what a miracle after having no establish time, the other one was damaged severly too.

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Alex High
On 1/4/2021 at 9:02 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

The home behind the Senegal dste has a huge mejool

Is this what you are talking about? These ones are huge! Thanks and take care!

PalmsUSA

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Laaz
7 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Don't know if Horrible would be the right word, although the second one in that post was only planted in 2017 right before the big cold snap. This photo is of the first one, taken by a member of this forum

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2017? That queen & the other in his yard have been there for years, as well as his two Totai's which all flowered this year. He also has a fruiting Allagoptera arenaria. This is my friends house, the queens produce tons of seed every year.

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ngservet

@Laaz What else does your friend have back there? I think @Mr.SamuraiSword was referring to the queen below as planted in 2017:

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Laaz

He has a two story tall seed grown avocado, a bunch of hybrid date palms and quite a few others.

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ngservet

Wow that is really impressive your friend has an avocado tree growing there! It's amazing what kind of micro-climates downtown offers compared to areas outside. 

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Laaz
21 hours ago, ngservet said:

@Laaz What else does your friend have back there? I think @Mr.SamuraiSword was referring to the queen below as planted in 2017:

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That is probably a product of Home Depot. They bring these in every year ball & burlap at anywhere from 10 to 15 ft of trunk & lay them out in the parking lot. Most die right there as they are rarely watered.

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ngservet

Just went to downtown Charleston (Jan 10, 2021). Here is some of the pictures... all palms pictured survived the 2018 ice/snow storm three years ago.

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Laaz

The first three are of my friends yard, if you looked a little harder you would have seen the Totai up against the house. The dates are all hybrids...

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DAVEinMB
26 minutes ago, Laaz said:

The first three are of my friends yard, if you looked a little harder you would have seen the Totai up against the house. The dates are all hybrids...

I got pics of them somewhere, to my untrained eye they appeared to be queens

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Fusca
40 minutes ago, DAVEinMB said:

to my untrained eye they appeared to be queens

Acrocomia totai can look a lot like queen palms from a distance, but up close the trunks are clearly different.  This A. totai looks like a Syagrus:

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And this one in Savannah, GA shows the spines on the trunk.

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ngservet
1 hour ago, Laaz said:

The first three are of my friends yard, if you looked a little harder you would have seen the Totai up against the house. The dates are all hybrids...

By the dates being all hybrids do you know exactly what the makeup of them are? 

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DAVEinMB
14 minutes ago, Fusca said:

Acrocomia totai can look a lot like queen palms from a distance, but up close the trunks are clearly different.  This A. totai looks like a Syagrus:

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And this one in Savannah, GA shows the spines on the trunk.

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Yea the thorns are gnarly, it was tough to see the trunk from my vantage point. I almost knocked on the door cause I really wanted to see what else was inside those walls haha

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Laaz

They all got hit hard in the 2018 freeze, but came back pretty quickly.

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