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Fallen Munk

Decided to start a thread to keep track of the growth of these two hybrids that I got from Patrick Schafer on December 5th.  yatay X jubaea and jubaea X yatay.  The smaller of the two is the jubaea X yatay and it took some damage in shipping but it's doing fine.  The yatay X jubaea is the bigger of the two and it also has some damage from the tag being tied tight and high up on the meristem.  Leaves are coming out a bit deformed from that, but it will grow out of it.  They are putting on some good growth in the three weeks since they arrived.  First photo is right after they arrived and I potted them up on Dec. 5th, second photo is today, Dec 27th.  They went full pinnate about a week after they arrived.  I'll try to update this thread about once per month with some growth updates.

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Josh76

That's some great growth in just three weeks... especially given the time of year! :greenthumb:

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Fallen Munk
20 minutes ago, Josh76 said:

That's some great growth in just three weeks... especially given the time of year! :greenthumb:

Yeah, I'm very impressed with that so far.  Especially since in my experience they tend to sulk a bit when you pot them up to a bigger size.  These are already sending roots out of the drainage holes of the new pots.  I'm not sure if I want to pot them up to 5 gallon or go straight into the ground in the spring.

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GregVirginia7

What is it you want out of this hybrid. I see both are trunking pinnates. Are you looking for faster growth?

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Fallen Munk
54 minutes ago, GregVirginia7 said:

What is it you want out of this hybrid. I see both are trunking pinnates. Are you looking for faster growth?

Yes.  I think that's why these hybrids exist.  A faster growing Jubaea with minimal look of a Butia.  I think that's why he uses yatay because it's less recurved usually.

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iamjv

I bought the same two hybrid (from PS) and gave my son the Y x J, as he preferred to have what should be the faster of the two hybrids....   when I received my specimens (Dec 2019) they were smaller in size.   The ones you received might be from the same batch, as mine now looks similar to yours pictured here.   The J x Y I kept is still in a one gal pot and I might bump it up in the spring...   at present I plan to keep it in a pot for a couple of years, due to the lack of a proper place to plant it. 

Look forward to seeing up dates on your palms !

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JohnAndSancho

@Fallen Munk what did these run you if you don't mind me asking? 

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Fallen Munk
42 minutes ago, JohnAndSancho said:

@Fallen Munk what did these run you if you don't mind me asking? 

I don't remember exactly but I think about $75 ea.  They were under $200 shipped.  The J x Y was a bit more than the Y x J for some reason.  And that's the smaller of the two.

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JohnAndSancho

That's really not too bad. I've paid around that for a couple of my more normal and boring palms. 

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Fallen Munk
3 hours ago, iamjv said:

 when I received my specimens (Dec 2019) they were smaller in size.   The ones you received might be from the same batch, as mine now looks similar to yours pictured here.   

Likely.  I paid a bit more for the bigger "band size" rather than "liner".  You probably bought the liner size back in 2019.  I'm assuming that your Jubaea dominant is growing slower than the Yatay dominant?

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Fallen Munk
1 minute ago, JohnAndSancho said:

That's really not too bad. I've paid around that for a couple of my more normal and boring palms. 

Agreed.  I could have saved a bit more by getting liner size but it was only about $15-$20 difference I think.    Worth paying just a bit extra to shave off a year or two of waiting for them to grow.

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TonyDFW

Here is my yatay x Jubea hybrid from Patric. Growing in Dallas. If has been a moderate to fast grower. 

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JohnAndSancho

Good Lord that's gorgeous @TonyDFW

 

I need to get a house so I'll have room for more palms. Y'all are a terrible influence. 

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Fallen Munk
26 minutes ago, TonyDFW said:

Here is my yatay x Jubea hybrid from Patric. Growing in Dallas. If has been a moderate to fast grower. 

 

Massive growth for 4 years!  I hope mine grows that fast!

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1 hour ago, TonyDFW said:

Here is my yatay x Jubea hybrid from Patric. Growing in Dallas. If has been a moderate to fast grower. 

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That's beautiful! Going to be a beast in another 5 years or so.

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knikfar

How hardy do you anticipate these being? I wish I could find a pinnate palm hardy enough to survive long term here in Raleigh, NC. People try butias and they usually do well for several years before being taken out by an arctic blast. 

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Fallen Munk
4 hours ago, knikfar said:

How hardy do you anticipate these being? I wish I could find a pinnate palm hardy enough to survive long term here in Raleigh, NC. People try butias and they usually do well for several years before being taken out by an arctic blast. 

If a Butia can't survive in your area, I'd seriously doubt that these would either.

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96720

Those are beautiful palms! How do you get a response from Patrick

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iamjv
On 12/28/2020 at 11:40 AM, Fallen Munk said:

Likely.  I paid a bit more for the bigger "band size" rather than "liner".  You probably bought the liner size back in 2019.  I'm assuming that your Jubaea dominant is growing slower than the Yatay dominant?

You may be correct on the liner versus band size!   There was a size difference to begin with, the Y x J being larger of the two and the last time I saw the Y x J at my son house, it's even bigger now....

Tony's up in Dallas looks amazing....  I'm hoping these look similar !!!

Jv

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Fallen Munk
2 hours ago, 96720 said:

Those are beautiful palms! How do you get a response from Patrick

First,  make sure you have the right email address.  coolhybrids@yahoo.com is the current one.

Then ask for his available palms list and be patient.

And finally, know what you want without a bunch of back and forth.  Both the species and the size.  You will find his communication short and to the point and I get the impression he doesn't want a new friend so just take care of business.  Imagine a drug deal, except with palms and everything will go smooth.

 

 

 

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Ben in Norcal
3 hours ago, Fallen Munk said:

First,  make sure you have the right email address.  coolhybrids@yahoo.com is the current one.

Then ask for his available palms list and be patient.

And finally, know what you want without a bunch of back and forth.  Both the species and the size.  You will find his communication short and to the point and I get the impression he doesn't want a new friend so just take care of business.  Imagine a drug deal, except with palms and everything will go smooth.

 

 

 

This is hilarious.

Also, know that Patric reads every post on this board - when he is over here hybridizing, he's always commenting on something I said or posted on PT.

I definitely do consider Patric a friend - he may be an acquired taste, but you serve my palette well, Patric. :D

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necturus
8 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

This is hilarious.

Also, know that Patric reads every post on this board - when he is over here hybridizing, he's always commenting on something I said or posted on PT.

I definitely do consider Patric a friend - he may be an acquired taste, but you serve my palette well, Patric. :D

Patric is the boss. He probably has no idea who I am, but I've ordered a lot from him. Requested three or four JxS at once and was told no, only one at time. :lol:

The BxPJTs are growing at an amazing rate and look really unique.  My BxPJSs are also picking up steam. Really grateful for his work.

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Ben in Norcal
5 minutes ago, necturus said:

Patric is the boss. He probably has no idea who I am, but I've ordered a lot from him. Requested three or four JxS at once and was told no, only one at time. :lol:

The BxPJTs are growing at an amazing rate and look really unique.  My BxPJSs are also picking up steam. Really grateful for his work.

It's going to be interesting to see what the Monty hybrids he is creating here turn into.  I'm excited for that.

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Fallen Munk
14 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

This is hilarious.

Also, know that Patric reads every post on this board - when he is over here hybridizing, he's always commenting on something I said or posted on PT.

I definitely do consider Patric a friend - he may be an acquired taste, but you serve my palette well, Patric. :D

Well said.  I do wonder why so many friends of his spell his first name wrong though.  FWIW, in his correspondence with me he spells it Patrick with a "k".

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Ben in Norcal
54 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said:

Well said.  I do wonder why so many friends of his spell his first name wrong though.  FWIW, in his correspondence with me he spells it Patrick with a "k".

You will note he uses different spellings - usually without a "k."

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23 hours ago, Fallen Munk said:

Well said.  I do wonder why so many friends of his spell his first name wrong though.  FWIW, in his correspondence with me he spells it Patrick with a "k".

Typically, he's spelled it Patric in his emails to me over the past 12 years. Recently, he's spelled it Patrix in his last few emails. He's also spelled it Patriv. He's an artist. He can call himself whatever he pleases. I'm just thankful. :) 

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Fallen Munk
54 minutes ago, buffy said:

Typically, he's spelled it Patric in his emails to me over the past 12 years. Recently, he's spelled it Patrix in his last few emails. He's also spelled it Patriv. He's an artist. He can call himself whatever he pleases. I'm just thankful. :) 

Well sure.  I was just trying to be polite to him as possible and felt a bit embarrassed that I might have spelled his name wrong in my first correspondence.  Probably just a big pet peeve of mine when someone contacts me and spells my name wrong, or calls me by the wrong name totally.   It's just a personal thing for me, forget I mentioned it please. 

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alohas

I have many hybrids from Patric in my garden, here's a few pics of them

yatay x jub in the back

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Bp x PJc

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On the left Jub x queen

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shade grown yatay x queen

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Fallen Munk
1 hour ago, alohas said:

I have many hybrids from Patric in my garden, here's a few pics of them

Wow, those are all really nice!

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Jubutia

Hello Alohas, very nice hybrids. Amazing! What are the lowest temps they survived? Thank you. Happy Growing Oliver

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alohas

Thanks ! 

Lowest temp they were confronted with was 19°F. There was also à few ice days (max temp 32). 

Jub x queen seems really bulletproof, very fast grower too.

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necturus

Beautiful garden and palms, alohas! I enjoy looking at Le Forum des Fous de palmiers even though it's hard to follow through Google Translate. You all are definitely pushing the boundaries of what can be grown in your beautiful country.

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alohas
4 hours ago, necturus said:

Beautiful garden and palms, alohas! I enjoy looking at Le Forum des Fous de palmiers even though it's hard to follow through Google Translate. You all are definitely pushing the boundaries of what can be grown in your beautiful country.

Thank you! I didn't suspect that Le Forum des Fous de Palmiers had international readers!

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96720

What’s a monty hybrid?

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Fusca
29 minutes ago, 96720 said:

What’s a monty hybrid?

I wondered the same thing a few months ago but Ben put it together for me.  Patric is creating one particular hybrid using pollen from Ben's Syagrus schizophillia x Syagrus romanzoffiana (otherwise known as "coco queen" or Syagrus x montgomeryana) to pollinate Butia.  He calls it Butia x Monty.

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96720

Thanks!!!

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JohnAndSancho

@Fallen Munk pure opinion question but do you think one of the yatay x jubia hybrids would do decent in a pot on a patio for a year or 2? I'm giving away a queen and a majesty and I have no idea when I'll own a home when I can stick it in the dirt. 

 

SETX for what it matters. Just about in the middle between Houston and Dallas, and I've seen how well they do in Dallas 

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Fallen Munk
1 hour ago, JohnAndSancho said:

@Fallen Munk pure opinion question but do you think one of the yatay x jubia hybrids would do decent in a pot on a patio for a year or 2? I'm giving away a queen and a majesty and I have no idea when I'll own a home when I can stick it in the dirt. 

 

SETX for what it matters. Just about in the middle between Houston and Dallas, and I've seen how well they do in Dallas 

Yes, but growth will be slower IMO.   And you'd have to be careful to make sure it got frequent water because pots dry out quickly and I've noticed that my Jubaea and Butia like water.  

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TonyDFW

This is my BJ x Queen from Patric growing 2 years in Dallas. 

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