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Fallen Munk
3 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Here some updated pics of my BxLytoWedd and BxPJT 

I've been considering one of the torallyi hybrids.....

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Jesse PNW

OC2palmlover those look great.  How old?

Looking at his lineup, aside from Jubaea x Butia and Butia x Yatay (which I guess is B odorata x B yatay?), I'm trying to figure out what the next most hardy cross is. There was an older thread here where a guy had posted that his Butia x PJb cocoides had survived a dry 12F.  And I believe cocoides is the least hardy of those three species but it seems like no one agrees on how hardy sunkha or torallyi are.  

 

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
2 hours ago, Fallen Munk said:

I've been considering one of the torallyi hybrids.....

I'm a sucker for ginormous palms haha Since noone is growing pure Torallyi in my area hoping this hybrid has a good chance as long as we don't have another Palmageddon =( 

 

1 hour ago, Jesse PNW said:

I believe cocoides is the least hardy of those three species

That's why I went with Torallyi,  Sunkha if you prefer a smaller version. 

T J 

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Trustandi

I would think Parajubaea sunkha is the hardiest, the least fuzzy and more tolerant of humidity. My BXSunkha is still too small.  

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Jesse PNW

Patric emailed me back.  I believe he'd like for me to pass on that his address is

Coolhybrids@yahoo.com.  and if you use the wild blue, you will not reach him.  

Regarding hardiness, Patric said, 

"BJXQ is maybe hardier then BXQ  , would depend on how the DNA got set
JXB would be hardier to dry cold but maybe not wet cold"

And Parajubaea torallyi is still kind of an unknown, it's from a dry climate and seems to handle dry cold better than wet.  

I plan to get some Jubaea x Butia, but I am a little concerned about how it will handle the wet.  Plus something more exotic and marginal..  I love lytocaryum but PJT may be more hardy... hard to say. 

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Chester B
4 minutes ago, Jesse PNW said:

Patric emailed me back.  I believe he'd like for me to pass on that his address is

Coolhybrids@yahoo.com.  and if you use the wild blue, you will not reach him.  

Regarding hardiness, Patric said, 

"BJXQ is maybe hardier then BXQ  , would depend on how the DNA got set
JXB would be hardier to dry cold but maybe not wet cold"

And Parajubaea torallyi is still kind of an unknown, it's from a dry climate and seems to handle dry cold better than wet.  

I plan to get some Jubaea x Butia, but I am a little concerned about how it will handle the wet.  Plus something more exotic and marginal..  I love lytocaryum but PJT may be more hardy... hard to say. 

FYI - There are straight torallyi in Seattle and BC so it seems they can handle cool and damp.  BxPJT is the one I would get, maybe in spring.

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Jesse PNW

This can't be right... from Palmpedia... 

Parajubaea torallyi, commonly known as the Palma De Pasobaya or Bolivian Mountain Coconut. It is endemic to Bolivia, where it grows in dry forest on steep rocky slopes at 2,400-3,400 meters altitude, and is now threatened by habitat loss. Mature plants can be over 13 meters in height. They can withstand temperatures of -13 degrees Celsius. (emphasis mine)

If that's anywhere close to accurate, you'd think you'd see a lot more of them.  And Butia x PJT should be dang near bullet proof.  

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matthedlund
14 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

This can't be right... from Palmpedia... 

Parajubaea torallyi, commonly known as the Palma De Pasobaya or Bolivian Mountain Coconut. It is endemic to Bolivia, where it grows in dry forest on steep rocky slopes at 2,400-3,400 meters altitude, and is now threatened by habitat loss. Mature plants can be over 13 meters in height. They can withstand temperatures of -13 degrees Celsius. (emphasis mine)

If that's anywhere close to accurate, you'd think you'd see a lot more of them.  And Butia x PJT should be dang near bullet proof.  

I can personally attest that they are very difficult to grow in Seattle. I consider myself a great gardener and good palm grower and I have killed 4 large Parajubaea torralyi var. torralyi now. My Butia x Ptvt is doing phenomenal however.

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Chester B
5 hours ago, matthedlund said:

I can personally attest that they are very difficult to grow in Seattle. I consider myself a great gardener and good palm grower and I have killed 4 large Parajubaea torralyi var. torralyi now. My Butia x Ptvt is doing phenomenal however.

That is great to know.  Thanks for filling us in, this would probably be number one on my wish list of palms that have a real shot of surviving.

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
53 minutes ago, Chester B said:

That is great to know.  Thanks for filling us in, this would probably be number one on my wish list of palms that have a real shot of surviving.

Besides a JxS I'm guessing =) That hybrid is still #1 on my wish list!!! 

T J 

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Chester B
2 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Besides a JxS I'm guessing =) That hybrid is still #1 on my wish list!!! 

T J 

Right. I agree, these two are tied for me, forgot about that one. Couldn’t agree more  

 

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Jesse PNW

 Officially joined the Shafer train.  Got my order today, BJxSyagrus, Butia x PJ torallyi, B yatay x Jubaea, and hiding in the back is the larger size Jubaea x B yatay. 

Once I got the right email address, communication with Patric was quite easy.  

Into the growbox they go.... after I clear out some space as it's already full. 

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Jtee
4 minutes ago, Jesse PNW said:

 Officially joined the Shafer train.  Got my order today, BJxSyagrus, Butia x PJ torallyi, B yatay x Jubaea, and hiding in the back is the larger size Jubaea x B yatay. 

Once I got the right email address, communication with Patric was quite easy.  

Into the growbox they go.... after I clear out some space as it's already full. 

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That’s a great feeling to receive something like that!! Must be how a woman feels to receive roses except better lol

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Chester B
3 hours ago, Jtee said:

That’s a great feeling to receive something like that!! Must be how a woman feels to receive roses except better lol

And pricier!

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
3 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

Officially joined the Shafer train.  Got my order today, BJxSyagrus, Butia x PJ torallyi, B yatay x Jubaea, and hiding in the back is the larger size Jubaea x B yatay. 

Wow you didn't mess around pulled the trigger and look what you got. I think I asked the wrong question and have been on hold for a week haha That BxPJT will be a beast once in the ground. 

T J 

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Paradise Found

Sweet Score!  :shaka-2:   

Are you happy now? You Waited long enough. 

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Paradise Found
16 hours ago, Paradise Found said:

Sweet Score!  :shaka-2:   

Are you happy now? You Waited long enough. 

Hope that doesn't sound rude.....? I think you have more hybrids than me.  I've got five.  

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Jesse PNW

No not rude but I wasn't sure what you meant.  I tried to reach Patrick this spring, but I had the wrong email address.  Once I got the right one, it only took a few days so there was almost no wait.  Patric/Patrick/Patrix was emailing me just about every 24 hours so I feel like I got pretty lucky and things went pretty quick.  

I guess I have two more hybrids than you now, but two of mine are the same thing (Butiagrus).  And you have a couple that are fully established whereas mine are all brand new and still liner-sized.  

So when does Patrick get his own scientific naming convention?  Jubutiagrus patrixensis?  Parabutia shaferii?  

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Paradise Found
3 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

So when does Patrick get his own scientific naming convention?  Jubutiagrus patrixensis?  Parabutia shaferii?  

:D .... He can called them whatever he wants as long as he keeps making them.....:D

The ones you got sure have nice fat trunks for seedlings.  

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Eric33

Received last week, from left to right

- Jubaea x Butia yatay

- Washingtonia x

- Butia x Parajubaea Tor.

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
8 hours ago, Eric33 said:

Received last week, from left to right

- Jubaea x Butia yatay

- Washingtonia x

- Butia x Parajubaea Tor.

Nice choices and Welcome to Palm Talk 

T J 

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Eric33
6 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Nice choices and Welcome to Palm Talk 

T J 

Yes, thanks :)

Eric

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Merlyn

Any thoughts on Butia x Parajubaea types in swampy central Florida?  Patric has hybrids with Torallyi, Sunhka and Cocoides right now, I was thinking of getting a couple for my nursery area.  Parajubaea seems to hate the daily summer thunderstorms here, but there's at least a couple of Sunkha in the forums, I think @Kailua_Krish had a nice one growing back in 2019.  I've read about the "sudden death syndrome" on Parajubaea, but I'm not sure if any of the three are more or less susceptible.  Opinions?

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Kailua_Krish
1 hour ago, Merlyn said:

Any thoughts on Butia x Parajubaea types in swampy central Florida?  Patric has hybrids with Torallyi, Sunhka and Cocoides right now, I was thinking of getting a couple for my nursery area.  Parajubaea seems to hate the daily summer thunderstorms here, but there's at least a couple of Sunkha in the forums, I think @Kailua_Krish had a nice one growing back in 2019.  I've read about the "sudden death syndrome" on Parajubaea, but I'm not sure if any of the three are more or less susceptible.  Opinions?

Mine is still doing very well and tolerated being flooded for 3-4 days a couple of years ago (I forgot which hurricane it was). I don’t remember off the top of my head which PJ species was used in my hybrid

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necturus

I think they'll all do well in Florida. In Houston BxPJT seems most vigorous, but I think they all take off once they reach a certain size.

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Merlyn

I haven't figured out what to order next, but here is a current photo of my in-ground Jubaea x Butia Yatay...weeds for scale!  I bought this in early 2019 as a strap leaf liner, and tortured it in pots until late 2020.  The base is about 3-4" diameter now, and has grown a LOT more than the BxJ and JxB that I still have in pots.  And it is not suffering from the constant yellowing that I saw in pots, so it is definitely time to plant the other two!

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Eric33

 

he is very beautiful.

Éric 

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