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I was wondering if I should grow a filifera or filbusta in a zone 8a micro climate. The reason I say "micro climate" is because DC is pretty much a micro climat itself we havent gone below 10f since the artic blast of 2013-2014. I am growing date palms and I need something more hardy and fast growing. Thanks for your help.

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kinzyjr

If you plan on growing them outside, either one would be difficult on our side of the continent.  They both start having issues below 15-20F in humid subtropical climates.  There are some decent specimens of Washingtonia filifera in the Carolinas. 

Filifera in particular only approach their hardiness limits in arid, desert climates.  Filibusta is a little more tolerant of our humidity and rainfall.  If you're going to put it outside, you'll want it to grow in a pot until it at least has some trunk.

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buffy

Go for a W. filibusta. Mine took 8F with only defoliation. We're wet in this part of Texas. W. filifera will just up and drop dead from wet cold out of the blue. 

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1 hour ago, kinzyjr said:

If you plan on growing them outside, either one would be difficult on our side of the continent.  They both start having issues below 15-20F in humid subtropical climates.  There are some decent specimens of Washingtonia filifera in the Carolinas. 

Filifera in particular only approach their hardiness limits in arid, desert climates.  Filibusta is a little more tolerant of our humidity and rainfall.  If you're going to put it outside, you'll want it to grow in a pot until it at least has some trunk.

Could I try making a plastic roof so water doesn't get in freeze on the fronds or the roots.

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7 minutes ago, buffy said:

Go for a W. filibusta. Mine took 8F with only defoliation. We're wet in this part of Texas. W. filifera will just up and drop dead from wet cold out of the blue. 

Did you every have a spear pull?

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1 minute ago, climate change virginia said:

Did you every have a spear pull?

Never. You'll defoliate alot, but the crown will grow full every year. 

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10 minutes ago, buffy said:

Go for a W. filibusta. Mine took 8F with only defoliation. We're wet in this part of Texas. W. filifera will just up and drop dead from wet cold out of the blue. 

Did you every have a spear pull?

 

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Never. You'll defoliate alot, but the crown will grow full every year. 

wow so its like a deciduous tree

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climate change virginia

I always grow things from seed I'm growing date palms its been 4-5 months since germination and most of them have only 2 fronds. This is why I need something more cold hardy and fast growing. My date palms are rockets in the summer and now its fall so there slowing down I put them in the garage so they get heat I have them under a grow light.

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On 10/21/2020 at 4:23 PM, buffy said:

Go for a W. filibusta. Mine took 8F with only defoliation. We're wet in this part of Texas. W. filifera will just up and drop dead from wet cold out of the blue. 

was it protected?

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No protection. 

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4 minutes ago, buffy said:

No protection. 

Wow how big was it

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Hand collected seed from Cleburne, TX in 2011. Planted from seed in 2012. Moved in 2015. Never protected.  Pic from yesterday.   19-20f for about 24 hours and 12"+ of snow, started 2 days ago.   5270' elevation

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12 hours ago, jwitt said:

Hand collected seed from Cleburne, TX in 2011. Planted from seed in 2012. Moved in 2015. Never protected.  Pic from yesterday.   19-20f for about 24 hours and 12"+ of snow, started 2 days ago.   5270' elevation

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wow did they defoliate at all? what was the min temp. did they die? how old are they?

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I misstated. The collection was 2012 and planted in 2013. So seven years old. Saw near zero degrees, and 7 consecutive days below 32f.  Has said total exfoliation.

 

The trachy on the right survived -10f in 2011 unprotected. That pic was yesterday, snow and all.

 

That snow is a foot deep, so the palms look somewhat smaller.

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22 minutes ago, jwitt said:

I misstated. The collection was 2012 and planted in 2013. So seven years old. Saw near zero degrees, and 7 consecutive days below 32f.  Has said total exfoliation.

 

The trachy on the right survived -10f in 2011 unprotected. That pic was yesterday, snow and all.

 

That snow is a foot deep, so the palms look somewhat smaller.

what does exfoliate mean does it mean die?

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Has seen total defoliation.  Spellchecker.

 

Today's pic. After 19f and a foot of snow

 

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50 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Has seen total defoliation.  Spellchecker.

 

Today's pic. After 19f and a foot of snow

 

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I think that's alive could it take that and lower temps to around 9-12 degrees

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jwitt

I can't speak for your location. Here filibusta have survived -10f.(2/2011).

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NC_Palm_Enthusiast

I'd say go with filibusta. Filiferas don't do well with the wet weather and humidity characteristic of your location. Either type would definitely have to be protected most winters where you are, however. 

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climate change virginia

ok ill go with the filibusta but how tall do they get in 5 years

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jwitt

The pic of mine is just over 5 years from seed. Others results may vary.

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Laaz

This filbusta breazed through the 16F freeze we had in 2018, A robust 10 feet away croaked.

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4 hours ago, Laaz said:

This filbusta breazed through the 16F freeze we had in 2018, A robust 10 feet away croaked.

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are those orange trees?

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Laaz

Kumquats, yes I have oranges, mandarins, grapefruit, lemons & quite a few other citrus in the yard.

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PlantDad
8 hours ago, Laaz said:

Kumquats, yes I have oranges, mandarins, grapefruit, lemons & quite a few other citrus in the yard.

How do they take the cold?

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Laaz

We only get 7-10 nights a year where we drop below freezing. Most years we are a 9B. Never protected any of them & they do great. Two of me seed grown ruby red grapefruit trees are over 25 FT & produce the best tasting greapfruit.

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DAVEinMB

@Laaz Charleston's growing conditions make me so jealous considering how close it is. 

Gorgeous yard :greenthumb:

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Laaz

Everything in my yard is palms, citrus or cycads. I cut every other tree down when I bought my house.

 

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Sitting on the front step looking out. This is my Butia Yatty x Syagrus from Patric that got wacked by the freeze of 2018. Now really taking off.

 

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6 minutes ago, Laaz said:

Sitting on the front step looking out. This is my Butia Yatty x Syagrus from Patric that got wacked by the freeze of 2018. Now really taking off.

 

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Upper left corner, filibusta? 

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Yes, about 30 ft tall now. I planted it with maybe a foot of trunk back in 2004 or 2005.

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Found a old pic when they were just  getting going.

 

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9 minutes ago, Laaz said:

Found a old pic when they were just  getting going.

 

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Another question brother haha, what's at the base of the washy?

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Laaz

To the left of the washy on the left is the kumquat pictured above. The really small plant is a variegated flying dragon, the two plants out front are papaya.

 

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@Laaz the papaya is what caught my eye, thanks

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Laaz

I start them in January from seed every year. They produce decent fruit by November. There's a old Japanese guy I know that has them & protects them every year, his plants are huge & produce great crops every year.

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8 hours ago, Laaz said:

I start them in January from seed every year. They produce decent fruit by November. There's a old Japanese guy I know that has them & protects them every year, his plants are huge & produce great crops every year.

Any particular variety of papaya?

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Laaz

No, just grocery store.

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