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Reyes Vargas

Hello guy's here are Chamadorea radicalis seeds that I germinated from Dave.  My question is how big do they have to before I can pot them in individual pots.  Thanks.20210408_140223.thumb.jpg.5d730fafb43290acf4fc9e8c922aa794.jpg

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DoomsDave
26 minutes ago, Reyes Vargas said:

Hello guy's here are Chamadorea radicalis seeds that I germinated from Dave.  My question is how big do they have to before I can pot them in individual pots.  Thanks.20210408_140223.thumb.jpg.5d730fafb43290acf4fc9e8c922aa794.jpg

Wait till they get three seedling leaves more or less

Use well drained soil keep on dry side as @sashaeffer recommends.

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amh
3 hours ago, gtsteve said:

There you go @amh .  Male Chamaedorea microspadix X female Chamaedorea radicalis.

I've given them all away now but they grow up as you would expect... looking like a cross between the two.

But as seedlings one characteristic is long petioles/stalks, more obvious from a lower angle.

 

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Very cool.

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DoomsDave
11 hours ago, amh said:

Very cool.

Maybe they'll be fertile and have fertile, interesting babies of their own.

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amh
1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

Maybe they'll be fertile and have fertile, interesting babies of their own.

I have both species sprouting right now; about what age do these two species reach reproduction?

The Chamaedorea genus may be great for hybridization.

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Collectorpalms
21 minutes ago, amh said:

I have both species sprouting right now; about what age do these two species reach reproduction?

The Chamaedorea genus may be great for hybridization.

I have had Radicalis for at least 10 years. they have flowered the last 2-4 years. They survived the 2021 Freeze. I planted them in different locations in my yard to see how they would handle the sun, but they are too far apart. 

I would like to dig them up and move them close together. They are single stem and I think they a group planting would be better. 

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amh
6 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

I have had Radicalis for at least 10 years. they have flowered the last 2-4 years. They survived the 2021 Freeze. I planted them in different locations in my yard to see how they would handle the sun, but they are too far apart. 

I would like to dig them up and move them close together. They are single stem and I think they a group planting would be better. 

That's why I'm so interested in the hybrids, a running or bunching  radicalis would be great.

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amh

So, should I be the guy that brings cold hardy Chamaedorea to south and south central Texas?

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Laaz

I have radicalis start fruiting in pots after two years from seed.

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Xerarch
38 minutes ago, Laaz said:

I have radicalis start fruiting in pots after two years from seed.

Wow mine are 3 yrs old an not fruiting, they are healthy and look good, but not fruiting.  My pots are fairly small, maybe that has limited growth

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DoomsDave

Cham rads can bloom and fruit very fast, in some cases in gallon pots a couple years from seed.

Zoom zoom to the moon.

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Laaz

I pot mine right up to 5 gal. & use my turface / garden soil mix. Here's one, I have quite a few flowering in pots.

 

 

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Laaz

This is one of Perry from Slopalms "King Kong" radicalis I got years ago. It's in a planting bed, but also started flowering at two years old. This one is in fruit almost all year long.

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Collectorpalms

They are more drought tolerant, cold tolerant, and sun tolerant than I originally assumed.

But I don’t think they will bloom in 2 years from seed here in central Texas. I have potted ones and ones in the ground.

 
They tolerate neglect and no supplemental water.

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Laaz

Indded. I have found the grow much quicker in the free draining soil than in regular garden soil or in the ground.

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amh
1 hour ago, Laaz said:

Indded. I have found the grow much quicker in the free draining soil than in regular garden soil or in the ground.

My local soil seem detrimental to most plants and no matter how much fertilizer and water I give in ground plants, the potted specimens do much better.

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amh

My seedlings so far.

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Reyes Vargas
47 minutes ago, amh said:

My seedlings so far.

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Where did you get all your seeds?  I got some from Dave but was interested in some more.  Willing to pay for them.

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amh
5 minutes ago, Reyes Vargas said:

Where did you get all your seeds?  I got some from Dave but was interested in some more.  Willing to pay for them.

I bought the bulk seed from Josh-O back in January; after the February freeze and power outages, I figured the seeds had rotted and solicited some more from Dave.

BTW, thank you Dave!

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Fusca

Here are a couple of better pics of the tough survivors along with other unprotected companion plants.  So far 6 out of 10 have made a serious comeback with another pending...

 

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JohnAndSancho

I mentioned that i planted my seeds too deep. The torrential rain this weekend made them easy to find but still no sprouts. Hope they didn't drown. 

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amh
21 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

I mentioned that i planted my seeds too deep. The torrential rain this weekend made them easy to find but still no sprouts. Hope they didn't drown. 

The warmer temperatures should help spur germination.

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JohnAndSancho
6 minutes ago, amh said:

The warmer temperatures should help spur germination.

It was 94° here today so fingers crossed. 

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Fallen Munk

I got some seeds from @DoomsDave about six weeks ago and most sprouted in two weeks.  I put them on perlite/coco mix in a plastic shoebox style container and stuck them in an incubator set at 85F.  Some of the fastest and easiest seeds I've ever germinated.  

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amh
39 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said:

I got some seeds from @DoomsDave about six weeks ago and most sprouted in two weeks.  I put them on perlite/coco mix in a plastic shoebox style container and stuck them in an incubator set at 85F.  Some of the fastest and easiest seeds I've ever germinated.  

I'm thinking I'll move my Dave batch to the heating pad if they dont germinate soon.

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Reyes Vargas
56 minutes ago, amh said:

I'm thinking I'll move my Dave batch to the heating pad if they dont germinate soon.

How long ago did you plant Dave's seeds?  Mine took about 3 months to start to sprout.

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Collectorpalms

No Dooms Dave seed for me, I didn’t get a reply. But that’s ok, hopefully someone can share with others???

Ryan -TX

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Collectorpalms
On 4/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Reyes Vargas said:

Where did you get all your seeds?  I got some from Dave but was interested in some more.  Willing to pay for them.

Ditto for me! I would like seedlings. 

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Collectorpalms
On 4/19/2021 at 2:48 PM, Laaz said:

This is one of Perry from Slopalms "King Kong" radicalis I got years ago. It's in a planting bed, but also started flowering at two years old. This one is in fruit almost all year long.

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Can you collect and offer seeds? I can’t get my hands on any?? Those are nice!

Ryan

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amh
3 hours ago, Reyes Vargas said:

How long ago did you plant Dave's seeds?  Mine took about 3 months to start to sprout.

I started them about a month ago, but my night temperatures are still in the 50s and low 60s.

My other batch were very fresh and took about 2 months to germinate, but the mid February cold probably hurt.

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amh
On 2/28/2021 at 6:05 AM, gtsteve said:

No, but I get Female radicalis X Male microspadix all of the time, due to the Rad being under the big old Micro.

Any possibility of a metallica x radicalis or metallica x microspadix hybrid?

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Steve Mac

No Aaron, 

Ch. metalica, is in subgenus Eleutheropetalum, whereas both radicals and microspadix are in subgenus Moreniella.  According to Hodel 'Chamaedorea Palms,  The species and their Cultivation '92.'

My point being that if you look up the closely related species you are more likely to find a match.

"due to the Rad being under the big old Micro" That previous statement of mine was misleading, I should have added  'And the Rad and the Micro being in the same subgenus (closely related.) I hope that this helps you.

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amh
11 minutes ago, gtsteve said:

No Aaron, 

Ch. metalica, is in subgenus Eleutheropetalum, whereas both radicals and microspadix are in subgenus Moreniella.  According to Hodel 'Chamaedorea Palms,  The species and their Cultivation '92.'

My point being that if you look up the closely related species you are more likely to find a match.

"due to the Rad being under the big old Micro" That previous statement of mine was misleading, I should have added  'And the Rad and the Micro being in the same subgenus (closely related.) I hope that this helps you.

Makes sense, It appears that there are 8 subgenera.

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Ivanos1982

I bought some from ebay back in February and they never sprouted. I tried contacting the seller and he cussed me off telling me that all palmtree seeds take long to sprout. Said: "They are not magic beans". lol ridiculous the seeds were totally dry and dead. Oh well :( waste of 5 dlls

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JohnAndSancho

Welp

 

We had a wild thunderstorm this morning and one of my pots of seeds is MIA lol. Found the saucer. Found a pile of dirt. So Mother Nature just guerilla planted some C. Radicalis somewhere in Walker County. 

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amh

My Dave batch is now germinating. Only 2 have popped up, but more should follow with warmer temperatures.

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Makaisland Palms

What a great palm community we have here!  Nearly my first day after joining (after just snooping anonymously for awhile) Dave offered to send me some C.rad seeds as a welcome gift! Thanks again for that!

 

So here they are now, and it seems I'm getting a mix of heeled and straight up varieties.  How's this going for everyone else, a mix of vertical and low types for you as well?

 

Thanks!  

 

Jake

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DoomsDave
On 5/3/2021 at 6:39 PM, Collectorpalms said:

No Dooms Dave seed for me, I didn’t get a reply. But that’s ok, hopefully someone can share with others???

Ryan -TX

See my PM. Sorry I missed  you. I get LOTS of PMs!

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Jesse PNW

If you ever get more microspadix x radicals and are willing to ship them, please let me know. 

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Manalto

The radicalis I got from Cistus Nursery in Oregon at 2" last year is now a towering 4".

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The tag says "tops out at waist height." Is this right? I thought they got taller. If this isn't the trunking form, I'm trashing it. (I've issued this threat directly to the plant. Response has been inconclusive.)

Any suggestions for a way to add to the population; that is, sources for trunking-form plants on the upper Gulf Coast? 

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