Briank 602 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 I have struggled to purchase or try to grow any Copernicia in my Landscape. The only ones I have seen grown well are in the Desert of CA. I live 4.5 miles from Pacific Beach. Of the other Copernicia Palms I’ve seen in Gardens in So cal are Further East or Further North. And some of those Were grown Elsewhere and Planted much larger from Beginning. Because they are so slow and the only 1 I have planted is and Alba that was about 3-5ga Size. Generally the most common ones growers here sell are Prunifera and Alba. I love these palms as I scroll through Palmpedia or the Web, but I can’t get myself to try And grow one. Im asking if People on here have grown any from Seedling size or 5ga size in their garden that is now looking very good. I know it won’t be like what we would see in Florida, Cuba or even Palm Desert but curious to any pics. can be any Copernicia I.e Fallense, Alba, Macgroglossa(not much of a fan of these) Hospita etc. Im located about 5 min East of Sea World, about 2 min from Palm Legend Wrights Place for Reference. I get heat, but never above 87 degrees in middle of summers And have Clay soil. Thanks in Advance. brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevetoad 1,711 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 I have Macroglossa, Alba, prunifera and bailyana. All are easy to grow. Baily and Macro are very slow for me but steady. I know that there are plenty of bigger ones in here. Hopefully Josh-O, Mattyb and Len will post some pics. save some time and drop the bucks for the biggest you can find. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabal Steve 819 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 I’ve posted this before, but here’s my macroglossa after about five years, planted from a three gallon. Your climate is pretty similar to mine. 7 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 5 hours ago, The Steve said: I’ve posted this before, but here’s my macroglossa after about five years, planted from a three gallon. Your climate is pretty similar to mine. Yeah remember seeing that Palm. Just doesn’t do it for me. At all. I’ve seen joshs that are of good size. Just doesn’t look like a palm tree to me lol. Everyone got different taste. We have pretty much the same climate your correct. Contemplating a Fallense type in my yard. Have the Alba up front w maybe 3 Fronds on it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tracy 4,606 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 Copernicia x textilis (baileyana x hospita). The first picture is when I planted it, I think this one was in a squat 10 gallon, while the other one in my backyard was larger. Planted shortly before the phot on 12/3/2015, with the updated photo about 2 months shy of 5 years later (9/30/2020). So while my plant was not a seedling, it does show what growth you can expect if you can find one that is a little bigger to start with. As far as climate goes, lots of marine layer on the coast, so not the heat in my yard of areas even a couple of miles from the ocean. 9 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tracy said: Copernicia x textilis (baileyana x hospita). The first picture is when I planted it, I think this one was in a squat 10 gallon, while the other one in my backyard was larger. Planted shortly before the phot on 12/3/2015, with the updated photo about 2 months shy of 5 years later (9/30/2020). So while my plant was not a seedling, it does show what growth you can expect if you can find one that is a little bigger to start with. As far as climate goes, lots of marine layer on the coast, so not the heat in my yard of areas even a couple of miles from the ocean. Interesting Hybrid. Havnt seen that one for sale anywhere. Looks like it slightly more than doubled in 5 yrs. good spot for it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonoranfans 1,729 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 That texillis looks great! Its a happy palm for sure. I am wondering about its final size. If its nearly as big as a baileyana, its gonna get tight just after trunking as the leaves go to full size. My bailey sat there for years with ~30" leaves from stem end to tip of leaf, then after the start of trunking they started to get bigger. they now measure 54"+ from end of stem to end of leaf. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylecawazafla 930 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 Copernicia fallaensis in Vista, CA Copernicia macroglossa in Vista, CA 9 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylecawazafla 930 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 Copernicia baileyana in Vista, CA Copernicia baileyana in Palm Desert, CA 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylecawazafla 930 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 Copernicia baileyana in San Diego, CA Copernicia hospita in Palm Desert, CA 6 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tracy 4,606 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, sonoranfans said: If its nearly as big as a baileyana, its gonna get tight just after trunking as the leaves go to full size. My bailey sat there for years with ~30" leaves from stem end to tip of leaf, then after the start of trunking they started to get bigger. they now measure 54"+ from end of stem to end of leaf. I'm hoping it is somewhere between a baileyana and hospita in size, but one never knows with hybrids. If it does get big, my guests will just have to park further to the other side of that parking area. Fortunately, my wife and I use the back driveway and garage, so almost never park out front. 2 minutes ago, kylecawazafla said: Copernicia baileyana in Vista, CA I don't think any of Josh's were grown from small sizes in California, he acquired all those close to the sizes you have posted. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tracy 4,606 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 2:43 PM, Briank said: I have struggled to purchase or try to grow any Copernicia in my Landscape. You should also consider the other palmate genus from Copernicia's region which is Coccothrinax. I waited a long time before growing them because I had been told that they wouldn't do well on the coast (kind of like hearing that Dypsis decipiens, Bismarckia nobilis and others would be slow as molasses close to the beach). After watching the others thrive, as well as a couple of other Cuban palms, I thought why not try Coccothrinax as well. Since your focus is on specimens planted out small I'll share the two 1 gallon's that have thrived for me since planting. First 2 photos of a Coccothrinax argentata, second 2 photos of a Coccothrinax "no ID" which I have been told is likely a C miraguama. These won't be the statement plants that a Copernicia would be, but they are nice complementary palm with other larger species which you can definitely grow in your microclimate. 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tracy said: You should also consider the other palmate genus from Copernicia's region which is Coccothrinax. I waited a long time before growing them because I had been told that they wouldn't do well on the coast (kind of like hearing that Dypsis decipiens, Bismarckia nobilis and others would be slow as molasses close to the beach). After watching the others thrive, as well as a couple of other Cuban palms, I thought why not try Coccothrinax as well. Since your focus is on specimens planted out small I'll share the two 1 gallon's that have thrived for me since planting. First 2 photos of a Coccothrinax argentata, second 2 photos of a Coccothrinax "no ID" which I have been told is likely a C miraguama. These won't be the statement plants that a Copernicia would be, but they are nice complementary palm with other larger species which you can definitely grow in your microclimate. I love Mariguama, but I really love the Azul type the most. One day I’ll plant one of those. They are just painfully slow. I have Trithrinax Acanthocoma growing well in back yard. And you were correct josh planted rather large Copernicia to start. But he has a Small Fallense I’m considering. I’m truly out of Hot Sun Spot in front yard. It’s a jungle now. So these Sun lovers will have to go in back yard but just don’t have good Spots right now. I have been focusing on back yard w more Pritchardia collection lately but you never know a Spot might open somewhere sunny and be nice to have a Copernicia ready to go. I’ll eventually find a good size one hopefully to grab. My Bizzys have grown at great speed but think that’s cause I’m just far enough from the beach that they grow faster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tracy 4,606 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Briank said: My Bizzys have grown at great speed but think that’s cause I’m just far enough from the beach that they grow faster. Actually Bismarckia's do fine along the coast, which was my point. There are plenty of inaccurate assumptions, so sometimes you just have to try something and see how it does. The one below in my Carlsbad rental has been flowering for a few years now, and this photo was last spring, so I know it's bigger now. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, Tracy said: Actually Bismarckia's do fine along the coast, which was my point. There are plenty of inaccurate assumptions, so sometimes you just have to try something and see how it does. The one below in my Carlsbad rental has been flowering for a few years now, and this photo was last spring, so I know it's bigger now. Nice. So you have 2 places along coast that have great looking palms ! I want and need to buy another place to fill my Palm Addiction, something that has plenty of room. Even if it’s north or east county I don’t need to have Dypsis growing everywhere. I actually am the other way, love tropical but I would like thec challenge of growing a large garden in More Heat sun. I think I only have 2 Dypsis growing in my garden. I love larger robust palms. Brahea Livistona Hybrids, even if they slow growing fan palms I think layering them looks great. maybe find something in Valley Center/Fallbrook or Jamul to get couple acres. I just see a driveway lined w Mule Palms, Jubea x Butia hahaha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.SamuraiSword 911 Report post Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Ive seen Copernicia in AZ so I would assume in coastal CA they are uncommon but noticeable Edited October 2, 2020 by Mr.SamuraiSword 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakypalmguy 308 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 I’m inland a bit in Temecula and have had good luck with alba and pruinifera 5 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Here’s Copernicia gigas growing here in riverside . Seed collected in Cuba by @aztropic. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Here is a small bailey . Finally coming back from rabbit attack . I have to keep everything caged right now 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Berteroana courtesy of @NatureGirl couple years ago when she was selling Bert seedlings 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Copernicia macroglossa 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Had to throw this one In . Coccothrinax crinita 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Copernicia alba . 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Copernicia Baileyana 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Small gigas collected by @PalmatierMeg 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 On deck to be planted 15 gallon fallaensis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 And another fallaensis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Rigida 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Oodles of baileys for sale for future and planting . May field plant some of these eventually 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Curtisii 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Tons of yarays with some ZombiA in there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 Coccothrinax borhidiana hybrid exploding after rabbit attack 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 3, 2020 My recommendations . If you live inland and not along the coast plant a copernicia !! You won’t be disappointed. Finally something the OC collectors can’t compete with 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aztropic 2,046 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 Not California,but still a nice bailey I grew from seed I collected in Cuba. Planted in summer 2014,it is now in a 15 gallon pot but needs to be planted soon as roots are escaping! 7 growing seasons now under its belt just to get to this size in my much hotter climate, can explain why larger copernicia specimens are rather expensive compared to other faster growing species. aztropic Mesa,Arizona 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aztropic 2,046 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 My 5 gallon Copernicia fallaensis has been even slower. Talk about an exercise in patience! aztropic Mesa,Arizona 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 Seems as though one they get a little bit of size I would put them close to bismarkia speed for me once they start holding more than one spear it’s on!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said: Copernicia alba . This is the only one I have in ground. About same size but mine only has 3-4 fronds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said: And another fallaensis Where did you get the Fallense? Josh has some not sure what size but I’m keeping my eyes out. Tempted on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said: My recommendations . If you live inland and not along the coast plant a copernicia !! You won’t be disappointed. Finally something the OC collectors can’t compete with I’m right on the line ! I live 4.5 miles off of the beach. On top of the hill from Mission Bay. It will grow. I just hate how slow it is, and I’m running out of Hot places to plant. Front yard is no go it’s a jungle. backyard has a Few Spots left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briank 602 Report post Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said: Copernicia Baileyana From this look, you look like your in Riverside area maybe off Van Buren 215 then head west ? Or Alessandro? Wood crest area? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
