Phoenix hybrid producing fruits almost true to type of real dates

[Phoenikakias]

In both size,  taste and quantity of pulp. And all this in less than 4 months since emerging of the spathe. 

[Fusca]

Nice Konstantinos!  Which hybrid is it?  I've never seen a Phoenix palm flower at that size except for roebelenii.

[Phoenikakias]

1 hour ago, Fusca said:

Nice Konstantinos!  Which hybrid is it?  I've never seen a Phoenix palm flower at that size except for roebelenii.

It is a hybrid between a reclinata crossed with another hybrid of unknown ancestry (probably having also reclinata as an ancestor). I have two such hybrids a female and a male one next to each other so resulted plants from  fruits would actually be f2 hybrids.

Father of those hybrids is this one:

Not unusual for a short Phoenix to produce fruits. Last year one small dactylifera bloomed and got real tasty dates from it.

[Fusca]

That's good to know.  My theophrasti and dactylifera/sylvestris hybrid are roughly the size of your mother palm.  My reclinata is still in juvenile stage but will be planted in the ground in February or March.  I'm looking forward to growing the loureiroi x roebelenii that I got from your seeds but it will probably stay another year or so in a container first.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Fusca

[Dimovi]

This is great. The one next to the small building looks like Dactylifera. True to type means the fruit of the offspring is the same as the mother. Dates are not true to type, but that does not mean the fruit will not be as good as the mother's, it just means it wont be identical. In other words, you can have have offspring with better fruit than the mother. That is how all date cultivars originated that we have today. People then clone the plants with the best fruit to get consistent quality.
If the fruit is good and the plant looks nice that is bonus and I would save some offshoots.

[Dimovi]

On 9/24/2020 at 9:18 AM, Fusca said:

Nice Konstantinos!  Which hybrid is it?  I've never seen a Phoenix palm flower at that size except for roebelenii.

I also thought it took years for dates to flower, but this summer one of my dactylifera flowered 2.5 years after germinating. 
 

 

[Fusca]

1 hour ago, Dimovi said:

I also thought it took years for dates to flower, but this summer one of my dactylifera flowered 2.5 years after germinating. 

I'd forgotten about that thread of yours!  So the info that they can flower and set seed early is reinforced!    I hope you can get yours pollinated and get some decent fruit!

[Dimovi]

34 minutes ago, Fusca said:

I'd forgotten about that thread of yours!  So the info that they can flower and set seed early is reinforced!    I hope you can get yours pollinated and get some decent fruit!

I had no male flowers to pollinate with, but I'm hoping next year I will.