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Coccothrinax borhidiana question

Mark@PalmBeach

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What would be the best soil and water conditions for this palm in south florida? The palm that is pictured, how old do you think it is? It is not mine, but I have an opportunity to buy it. How much do you think it is worth? IE What would you pay for it?

 

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Hot and humid Loxahatchee Florida. 16 miles inland from

West Palm Beach in Palm Beach County

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This species does well with any free draining soil;mound planting might be helpful in your area as they don't like constantly wet feet. 15 gallon plant is probably about 12-15 years old and I would expect to pay $350-$400 in S. Florida. How's that?^_^

 

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Thanks for the reply, that is very helpful. They are asking for more but I don't  see them that size come up very often for sale.

Hot and humid Loxahatchee Florida. 16 miles inland from

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It was kind of hard to judge the size from only the one picture and it's been awhile since I've lived there and visited the palm nurseries, but $400 still seems to be a fairly standard price on a 15 gallon borhidiana. Good news is that that particular plant is a pure borhidiana as there are a lot of hybrids out there.

 

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Great thanks! Those examples are great to get a comparative idea of cost  and good to hear it is not a hybrid.

Hot and humid Loxahatchee Florida. 16 miles inland from

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Here's what the hybrids look like.Cheaper,similar looks, and 3x faster growers.Standard borhidiana are very slow.

 

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19 minutes ago, aztropic said:

Here's what the hybrids look like.Cheaper,similar looks, and 3x faster growers.Standard borhidiana are very slow.

 

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Do you know what they cross it with?

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Crossed with miraguama I believe.Very pretty palm,nice tight compact growth,less fiber,but MUCH faster growth.

 

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On 9/19/2020 at 4:48 PM, aztropic said:

It was kind of hard to judge the size from only the one picture and it's been awhile since I've lived there and visited the palm nurseries, but $400 still seems to be a fairly standard price on a 15 gallon borhidiana. Good news is that that particular plant is a pure borhidiana as there are a lot of hybrids out there.

 

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how can you tell the difference? I am about to buy one, a small one with 3 leaves, but I don't know what to look for to make a difference? Or you can't tell when they are still young? I really don't want a hybrid one.

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On 9/21/2020 at 3:25 PM, Frond-friend42 said:

Do you know what they cross it with?

well now looking at it you can really tell that its not the same. The leaves are not circulating at all, am I correct with that?

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Fronds are pretty much identical between the two... Visual difference is the burlap.On a pure borhidiana,the tan burlap comes up along with the new spear and is almost as long.First pic that started this thread shows it well.On the hybrid,little to no burlap comes up with a new spear and is whiter in color.Starting with a small plant is going to be a crapshoot on what an older plant will actually look like.Unless seed was collected from the wild in Cuba,chances are good you will end up with a hybrid,as young plants really don't show the trait.My first pic shows hybrid borhidiana spear.Second pic shows pure borhidiana spear.

 

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6 hours ago, aztropic said:

Fronds are pretty much identical between the two... Visual difference is the burlap.On a pure borhidiana,the tan burlap comes up along with the new spear and is almost as long.First pic that started this thread shows it well.On the hybrid,little to no burlap comes up with a new spear and is whiter in color.Starting with a small plant is going to be a crapshoot on what an older plant will actually look like.Unless seed was collected from the wild in Cuba,chances are good you will end up with a hybrid,as young plants really don't show the trait.My first pic shows hybrid borhidiana spear.Second pic shows pure borhidiana spear.

 

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I'm wondering if these are pure borhidianas. My reason is the first opening pic, and in Riffles Encyclopedia, these are so close to the trunk as to have little to no petiole. These pics here, however are held out slightly. This makes me think this is also a hybrid.

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First pic is hybrid borhidiana.Second pic is pure borhidiana.Again,FIBER LENGTH is a key identifier for this species... Petiole length will vary with the amount of direct sun the plant receives.This particular plant is actually in all day shade now, under other palms, and petioles do stretch.

 

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