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UK_Palms Grand Master

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Difficult to say at that size. It looks like a small Chamaerops Humilis to me, which is what I would put my money on it being. Although it could also be a Sabal, for all I know...

Best get some more opinions on it...

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Not chamaerops when you order from jungle music Phil sometimes puts in an extra palm or so if it was chamaerops I would have thrown it away 

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Sabal minor?

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1 hour ago, 96720 said:

Not chamaerops when you order from jungle music Phil sometimes puts in an extra palm or so if it was chamaerops I would have thrown it away 

What's wrong with Chamaerops?

You say you would have thrown it away!? :bemused: They look great when they are mature with multiple trunks...

I still think it looks like Chamaerops, even if it isn't...

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Just now, 96720 said:

They sucker like crazy they have too many spins I just don’t like them 

Fair enough. Mine don't sucker too much though to be fair. My Phoenix Theophrasti suckers WAAAAYYYYY more than any Chamerops that I own. Same with Dactylifera. 

Each to their own though. 

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Thanks for telling me I will not get Theophrasti I do have dacylifera but for the dates. No way it’s pritcardia I’m in Phoenix 

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Could it be Trithrinax brasilensis? They love hot dry climates. 

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15 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Could it be Trithrinax brasilensis? They love hot dry climates. 

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Couldn't be this. The petiole here is out of axis with the leaflets, like the wrist of a hand holding a platter (there must be a name for that). The palm above has the petioles attached in the same plane with the leaflets. Does look to me like a sabal...

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I've been looking through the 17 or so known sabals. It doesnt look like dominguensis, miamensis, bermudana, yapa, causiarum, gretheriae, mexicanum, pumos, mauritiaformis, blacburniana, or maritima. Palmetto is highly varied and im guessing not so slow growing. To me it looks like S. minor or S. etonia.  Would etonia fit?

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30 minutes ago, 96720 said:

If it was chamaerops it would be suckering by now no suckers 

Not necessarily, some Chamaerops remain solitary trunked and do not produce any suckers. The vast majority do, but it's not uncommon for 5+ year old plants to have no suckers at all yet. I wouldn't expect a Chamaerops of that size to sucker yet, although a few specimens may sucker quite early, but not always.

26 minutes ago, 96720 said:

Also no spines chamaerops have lots of spines

Young specimens often have little to no spines and due to how variable the species is, some just have way more spines than others. Generally speaking though, they are quite spiny. 

But at the same time, the fact that this specimen has no spines probably hints towards it not being Chamaerops. I mentioned in my original post that if it isn't Chamaerops, I was thinking it could be a Sabal. The question is what Sabal though...?

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It’s either S minor or S etonia. At that age/size I can’t tell the difference; the determining factors haven’t shown themselves. S etonia generally has more coastapalmate fronds and has inflorescences which remain within the crown. S minor has flatter fronds and inflorescence extend beyond the fronds. The one pictured appears not to have flowered yet and the fronds are very slightly costapalmate which I think could be either. 
 

Any other determining factors any of the experts know of?

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