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xoRudy

Quick question about my Mule Palm. So far its been growing great here in the desert, other than a few burnt fronds this summer. Its been putting out a new frond for a while now and I walked out this morning to the Palm looking like this. Is it normal that my new frond is too weak to hold itself up that it just falls over. The frond looks healthy and green. Or is there something wrong with the palms development? I've seen a few Mule Palms at home depot with the same "issue". Thank you. 

 

Rudy

Maricopa, AZ

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Steve the palmreader

Water and mulch

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Jim in Los Altos

The fact that it’s planted next to a wall that is reflecting heat onto the palm in an already hot environment, speaks for itself. It likely needs a watering more often. It looks like it’s getting baked. These palms get really big with fat trunks and I’d also be concerned with its closeness to the concrete block wall. It looks too close. 

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DoomsDave

@xoRudy alas, I must concur with @Jim in Los Altos and @Steve the palmreader.

I have two of those, they get to be monsters when they're happy. Next spring, when warm but not hot, dig and move at least another foot from the wall. They're fat, tough and gorgeous. But they need room.

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xoRudy

@DoomsDave @Jim in Los Altos @Steve the palmreader How big of a diameter are we talking about. I can assure you that there is plenty of room. Also, any advice about the question at hand, the new leaf coming in, normal or not?

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Jim in Los Altos
4 hours ago, xoRudy said:

@DoomsDave @Jim in Los Altos @Steve the palmreader How big of a diameter are we talking about. I can assure you that there is plenty of room. Also, any advice about the question at hand, the new leaf coming in, normal or not?

They need space not just for their trunks but for their leaves as well. 

 

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DoomsDave
7 hours ago, xoRudy said:

@DoomsDave @Jim in Los Altos @Steve the palmreader How big of a diameter are we talking about. I can assure you that there is plenty of room. Also, any advice about the question at hand, the new leaf coming in, normal or not?

They can be 18 - 24 inches across, with a leaf spread of 10 - 15 feet. I really really think your plant is too close to that wall. It's going to be a huge bother someday if that wall needs work, for people to get in there.

They're bigger than the parents; they can make great shade trees, even a reasonable substitute for a Canary Island Date or Jubaea.

I've had palms do the "weak leaf syndrome" and they usually recover. I think your plant will be fine.

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sonoranfans

as stated its getting fried by that concrete block wall.  Arizona is very hot and dry, I often used some shade netting till the roots establish on some nondesert palm seedlings.  It is also too close to the wall for a good root system to develop.  I'd put it about 5' from that wall, and put shade netting over it till the roots are established(probably through next summer).  Remember a west facing wall in direct sun is the hottest spot in any arizona yard.

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RyManUtah

My experience is limited, I have 3 of these palms, all under 5g size when planted, but I can offer you hope. 

I was keeping two potted to grow to a different size until I’m ready to tear out the front lawn. This is a marginal palm for me, so I wanted to observe the one doing really well over the winter. 


Alas, I had a palm showing these symptoms, a potted palm in the patio. I moved it to it’s permanent home and planted. 

I agree, keep it really well watered when this hot. When you have given it adequate water for the day, water it again. Seems to be working for me. 

Here’s some photos of the affected palm, also smaller than yours. My center spear is resuming verticals growth, but is still “pale”. 

 

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I’d image if you can get that palm through this summer it will handle anything!  :greenthumb:

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aztropic

Same thing happened to me on a beccariophoenix. Had a small microburst that also snapped off 10 feet of plumeria growth at the same time. It happens...

 

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aztropic

Also,mules don't grow quite as fat in the Arizona desert as they do in a more temperate area. Just stopped by Treeland to check theirs out - one of the first mules planted in the Phoenix area. Base is right around 2 ft maximum.

 

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xoRudy
2 hours ago, aztropic said:

Also,mules don't grow quite as fat in the Arizona desert as they do in a more temperate area. Just stopped by Treeland to check theirs out - one of the first mules planted in the Phoenix area. Base is right around 2 ft maximum.

 

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I’ve seen this palm at tree land a couple months ago, this is one of the reasons I bought a mule palm a couple weeks later. I’m really not worried about the place where I’ve planted it. It’s in a area where from the wall to my pavers is 5ft. I planted it directly in the middle. So it has two feet in all directions to grow. The large fronds don’t bother me either, I want the jungle look and I can also trim it how I want. Tree land has a nice Cuban there too!

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aztropic

Their cuban is as torched as everyone elses with the record breaking heat we've had this summer... Currently 47 days of 110+F high temps. An average year is only 19 days.

Most palm growers only have to be concerned with a winter freeze or possible hurricane editing their gardens. We seem to consistently get hit twice a year with a winter freeze AND a summer burn...

 

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Coasta
7 hours ago, aztropic said:

Their cuban is as torched as everyone elses with the record breaking heat we've had this summer... Currently 47 days of 110+F high temps. An average year is only 19 days.

Most palm growers only have to be concerned with a winter freeze or possible hurricane editing their gardens. We seem to consistently get hit twice a year with a winter freeze AND a summer burn...

 

aztropic

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Our poor palms this summer!!! I'm glad to see treeland nurseries palms are hanging in there.

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Merlyn2220

To me it looks like Rudy's and Ry's palms were both shadehouse grown.  The original leaves were really  stretched out, and the new ones are dramatically shorter.  They are so much shorter that they are trying to open up inside the "trunk."  I had a shade-grown Bottle do that, the original fronds were probably 6-7 feet long and the subsequent full-sun ones were about 4 feet.  After 3 or 4 fronds the trunk corrected itself and they started opening normally again.  They were still ~4 feet long, just not scrunched up inside the trunk at the base.

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xoRudy
2 hours ago, Merlyn2220 said:

To me it looks like Rudy's and Ry's palms were both shadehouse grown.  The original leaves were really  stretched out, and the new ones are dramatically shorter.  They are so much shorter that they are trying to open up inside the "trunk."  I had a shade-grown Bottle do that, the original fronds were probably 6-7 feet long and the subsequent full-sun ones were about 4 feet.  After 3 or 4 fronds the trunk corrected itself and they started opening normally again.  They were still ~4 feet long, just not scrunched up inside the trunk at the base.

Thats very educational, thank you. Ill do some research on this, very interesting. 

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96720

Just snapped this picture of my royal i always say the only things royals don’t like is cold

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Moose

When Dave's Doom gives advice, it's from carnage experience :violin:

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Coasta
17 hours ago, 96720 said:

Just snapped this picture of my royal i always say the only things royals don’t like is cold

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wow 96720 do you live in a desert climate like phoenix? I have a royal in the ground, have it mulched water it two to three times a day with a hose and fertlize. How do you keep yours so green? 

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96720

I live in Phoenix that is just what royals do I have a lot of them and they all look great just hope we don’t have a cold winter 

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Coasta
2 minutes ago, 96720 said:

I live in Phoenix that is just what royals do I have a lot of them and they all look great just hope we don’t have a cold winter 

Thanks for the info! I live in Mesa and its the first year in the groune for my royal.  The fronds are pretty toasted right now and I have it planted in a eastern exposure. I am hoping mine look that good in the future!

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Moose

Royals love organic material in the soil. They are nitrogen loving palms. 

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96720

I never fertilize mine and water them on drip for 1 hr every other day 

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