Pinanga javana flowers

[quaman58]

Hey all, 

The nerd in me finds this flowering stuff interesting. It wasn't until I started growing palms that I learned that flowers are the most important feature in classifying plants. Here's the first serious attempt for this palm. 7 years in the ground, and as the last picture shows, poorly thought out when originally planted...

[quaman58]

Must have had a couple before I planted it; clearly I wasn't thinking it though.

[tim_brissy_13]

1 hour ago, quaman58 said:

Must have had a couple before I planted it; clearly I wasn't thinking it though.

I’ve recently planted a few species that are slightly marginal in similar locations slightly under the eaves. The counter argument would be that if it were away from the house and not as protected it might not look as good as it does (looks great btw). Being a slender palm, think you can slowly bend it out into the open?

[Briank]

I been looking into getting a few 1ga sized but still on the fance.  Heard they need to be really grow in shade and marginal.    I’ll prob give it a try glad I saw yours to sway me 

[quaman58]

19 minutes ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

I’ve recently planted a few species that are slightly marginal in similar locations slightly under the eaves. The counter argument would be that if it were away from the house and not as protected it might not look as good as it does (looks great btw). Being a slender palm, think you can slowly bend it out into the open?

Oh yeah, it's gonna have to! What it does once it does after that is another question...

[quaman58]

7 minutes ago, Briank said:

I been looking into getting a few 1ga sized but still on the fance.  Heard they need to be really grow in shade and marginal.    I’ll prob give it a try glad I saw yours to sway me 

Brian, I think most Pinangas that will grow for us prefer some shelter. But this has been a pretty rugged palm, spotting in the wintertime, then growing like crazy come spring.

[DoomsDave]

@quaman58 I'd say you're on the money, based on the palm pedia pic below.

 

[Kim]

Bret, that's pretty darn good for California. 

Beautiful palm, dreaming of its full potential...

[Jim in Los Altos]

Love that palm! I love the species so much that I even tried to get three to grow up here in the Bay Area. Frost free but just not enough winter warmth. They’d look healthy and suddenly keel over in about late February. Oh well, Pinanga philipiensis has been through two winters so far and keeps chugging along. I like the look of P. Javana more though! 

Edited August 12, 2020 by Jim in Los Altos

[quaman58]

8 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Love that palm! I love the species so much that I even tried to get three to grow up here in the Bay Area. Frost free but just not enough winter warmth. They’d look healthy and suddenly keel over in about late February. Oh well, Pinanga philipiensis has been through two winters so far and keeps chugging along. I like the look of P. Javana more though! 

Great to hear about philipiensis in your area Jim. The stems on those are so cool. I've got a cluster of those within about 20' of the javana, also tucked against the house. Now I'm trying watanaiana. I've heard they've got some cold tolerance and are so pretty with the mottled leaves. I'll report back after winter..

[Tracy]

8 hours ago, quaman58 said:

Great to hear about philipiensis in your area Jim. The stems on those are so cool. I've got a cluster of those within about 20' of the javana, also tucked against the house. Now I'm trying watanaiana. I've heard they've got some cold tolerance and are so pretty with the mottled leaves. I'll report back after winter..

Nice job with the P javana Bret!  I wasn't as successful as you.  I had it growing on the north side of the house in full shade with some additional protection from overhead Howea forsteriana but lost it the first winter.   I may have to try this species again now that I'm starting to get some canopy going in Leucadia.  Make sure to report back on the Pinanga watanaiana this winter too!

[Matt in OC]

I’m very impressed. I finally pulled my two after they looked mostly sickly for a few years. 

[TomJ]

Mine has been in the ground around 5 years from a nice 5gl.

It gets sun until about 10a to 11am depending on time of year and then filtered light onward.

Always wet feet. Always pushing a spear, even if one is opening. Love the giant leaves on it.

Grows through Winter. The cold spotting not too bad, probably canopy protection.

Is planted under a giant Royal and falling leafs have had near misses. fingers crossed.

 

[quaman58]

Nice Tom!

[Tracy]

1 hour ago, TomJ said:

Love the giant leaves on it.

That was a big attraction for me too!  Really nice job with this and hope you keep on getting misses as those Roystonea leaves fall!

[akamu]

On 8/11/2020 at 6:23 PM, quaman58 said:

Hey all, 

The nerd in me finds this flowering stuff interesting. It wasn't until I started growing palms that I learned that flowers are the most important feature in classifying plants. Here's the first serious attempt for this palm. 7 years in the ground, and as the last picture shows, poorly thought out when originally planted...

What's the word Brett did the javana seeds become viable this is such a great looking palm tree and Tom that's insane color on your javana i have never seen the color so intense  on one of these. Simply spectacular. I lost one with 2ft of trunk and have since started over.i agree with bret these can be pretty fast. 

[quaman58]

Adam,

 

No, they aborted this time. It had thrown out a couple of pseudo inflorescences in the past couple years, but this was it's first real attempt. Maybe next year!

Bret 

[akamu]

Well it's cool that they are trying hopefully next time .My P. Coronata has finally held onto a handful of seeds this year for the first time after about 10 attempts .on 2,different clumps.

[quaman58]

Nice, my coronata has been awfully slow. Would love to see some pictures of it Adam..

[DoomsDave]

@quaman58 you go!

At least your plant flowered, and it's outgrowing its spot under your eave.

My two plants are doing well, but no whoopee on the horizon for either, so far.

Both are in shade, though one is in the teeth of the Afternoon Wind of Doom and looking good.

Marginal schmarginal!

[akamu]

Brett here's a couple pictures of my P Coronata like I said there's probably only about 10 seeds total that are sticking but they look good so far and one  picture of my young P. Javana I am growing . Bad day for pictures it has been very overcast today 

[Tracy]

36 minutes ago, akamu said:

Brett here's a couple pictures of my P Coronata like I said there's probably only about 10 seeds total that are sticking but they look good so far and one  picture of my young P. Javana I am growing . Bad day for pictures it has been very overcast today 

Good work, as mentioned in a post above, I failed the test with P javana many years ago.  I did better with P coronata, but it died at some point between tenants.

[akamu]

On 8/12/2020 at 4:22 PM, Tracy said:

Nice job with the P javana Bret!  I wasn't as successful as you.  I had it growing on the north side of the house in full shade with some additional protection from overhead Howea forsteriana but lost it the first winter.   I may have to try this species again now that I'm starting to get some canopy going in Leucadia.  Make sure to report back on the Pinanga watanaiana this winter too!

Tracy That's funny you mention this mine is planted on the north side of my garage underneath the canopy of a triple howea forsteriana. . You should try that P.Javana again the first one i grew was doing awesome until i lost the canopy and it got burnt . Brett I think you  should do good with P. Watiana I grew one for about 3 yrs that did well and even suckered a few times until it was severely flooded by my elderly neighbor one to many times. 

[Phoenikakias]

Bump! Speaking of Pinanga genus in CA, has anyone a positive experience with Pinanga kuhlii (in CA that is)? I got hold one of plant of this taxon, or at least it is supposed to be of this kind. It will grow during several following years in my cold frame. What are its needs in soil and water?

Edited June 9, 2021 by Phoenikakias

[realarch]

Gee, missed this thread….Good job everyone! Bret, some of my Pinanga have been in the ground and flowering for years and have yet to produce viable seed while others, that’s all they do.

Tim

[quaman58]

2 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Bump! Speaking of Pinanga genus in CA, has anyone a positive experience with Pinanga kuhlii (in CA that is)? I got hold one of plant of this taxon, or at least it is supposed to be of this kind. It will grow during several following years in my cold frame. What are its needs in soil and water?

I don't have experience with that one, but I think I remember someone telling me that kuhlii was a variant (maybe) of coronata. If memory serves, MattyB was growing this without any trouble.. Looks great!

[quaman58]

1 hour ago, realarch said:

Gee, missed this thread….Good job everyone! Bret, some of my Pinanga have been in the ground and flowering for years and have yet to produce viable seed while others, that’s all they do.

Tim

Good to know Tim. Fingers crossed for this year!

[Tyrone]

That’s a beautiful P javana. I had one in the ground here for a few years growing and doing well. But the freeze of 2017 quickly ended it. 

P coronata on the other hand survived the 2017 freeze and the 2020 horror freeze. I hope I don’t see anything like that for another 20 years.