Butia ID

[Dimovi]

What is the Butia on the left? These are from Parde Island in Texas.

[8B palms]

In my novice opinion it looks like a a regular C. odorata just more of a Stricta type, maybe someone with more knowledge can chip in.

[Jim in Los Altos]

Is that freeze damage? If so, it gets really cold where those Butia are planted. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Jim in Los Altos

[Fusca]

6 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Is that freeze damage? If so, it gets really cold where those Butia are planted. 

I think that's salt spray damage - depending on what part of the island it's in either zone 9b or zone 10.

[Dimovi]

It is salt damage, the island is zone 10, there are coconuts there, though it may not be for long.

I was just wondering why it was so slender and the fronds more straight. Maybe it was grown in shade.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Butia odorata. 

[Xenon]

44 minutes ago, Dimovi said:

It is salt damage, the island is zone 10, there are coconuts there, though it may not be for long.

 

I forgot to get a shot of the Thrinax by the coconut, good to see it's doing well.! There´s a much nicer coconut about 100 feet away on the same street as the one you photographed. The most robust one is located bayfront on W Campeche St. It hasn´t been very cold at all '- last winter's low was 37F and the year before was 42F. A lot of the stuff on the island is neglected and not getting adequate water, tropical stuff actually looks better way inland in McAllen even though the lows are slightly lower.  PM me if you want to see the rest of the coconuts/palms of interest on SPI. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Xenon

[Dimovi]

On 6/22/2020 at 10:59 AM, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Butia odorata. 

So both Butias are the same?

Maybe the one on the left was grown in more share and the other one in full sun.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

6 minutes ago, Dimovi said:

So both Butias are the same?

Maybe the one on the left was grown in more share and the other one in full sun.

When you walk a large field growing operation you will see a wide variety of leaf characteristics in butia even though all 1000 palms were grown from seed from two trees on the nursery premises.   The look of that butia has nothing to do with sun or soil or anything else. It is just expressing recessive physical traits that are buried somewhere in its genetic code.  

[Fusca]

I agree 100%.  For example, I'm growing a Butia from a seed collected from an exceptionally blue specimen and it is greener than any of the others that I have.  They are quite variable.  Even flower color, fruit color and fruit size can vary.

[Dimovi]

@TexasColdHardyPalms I did not expect Pindos to have so much variability considering that they are monoecious and should have lower heterozygosity than diecious palms like Dates.
I have about 100 Pindo seedlings and i'm looking forward to see what features I get.