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Last Friday, This Friday.......Hedyscepe


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Last Friday I did this.....

I bought an unexpected find at my local Green Thumb nursery. I go there once or twice a week just to get away from my work desk. I wasn’t looking for anything and God knows I really don’t need anything else at this time. Nonetheless, never letting that stop me before I couldn’t pass this beauty up because this is rare to find at nurseries in my neck of the woods.

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This Friday (today) I did this........

I put her in the ground. Perhaps not the most ideal spot as far as the elements go but quite frankly it’s about my only option left at this point. Other locations available would be more of a gamble. It will be pretty much shaded all morning through early afternoon. It will get late afternoon sun and exposed to our Santa Ana winds when they occur. My fingers are crossed. I had never planned on putting a Hedyscepe in this spot but what was I going to do, not buy it? 

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It’s definitely Hedyscepe, but from the looks of the stretched petioles and droopy leaflets, I’d say it’s been grown in fairly deep shade. Might be worth temporarily protecting it from sun until it adjusts  

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

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By the way, amazing find at a local nursery. That would be impossible to find here or cost a small fortune. 

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

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Great find

I have 4 growing down here in Coastal Tasmania and 1 has just started trunking ( grown from seed in 2010 )

cool almost frost free climate like SFO summers like SLO central coast

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Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

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Great find!  The droopy, flat plained  fronds really threw me off.  The leaf base says Hedyscepe to me.

Huntington Beach, CA

USDA Zone 10a/10b

Sunset Zone 24

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Troy, great to see you back on Palmtalk !  Your palm is the best example of the kelp extract benefits !   :greenthumb:

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8 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

It looks like a nice Howea to me. It’s a beautiful palm, in any case!

Believe me I was thinking the same thing how the leaves look Howea, and trust me, the nursery I got this from wrongly labels these rarer palms frequently when they get them. In fact they had this palm and a Chambeyronia Macrocarpa and guess which label was on this one??? You got it. This one was labeled as Chambeyronia Macrocarpa. The actual CM was labeled as Hedyscepe canterburyana. They were both the same price. I have pointed out to them in the past that they had palms mislabeled (where the prices did not match) but they didn’t bother to change the labels so I didn’t feel bad when I bought the cheaper palm that should have been the more expensive palm.

But I digress, the leaves look Howea to me too. So I looked at Palmpedia at other Hedyscepe’s and there are a couple others in the “marginal climate” section with the droopy leaflets. I assume this will start taking the more “V” shape off the rachis as it gets older. The trunk definitely looks Hedyscepe and actually has that sort of curve at the base that they get.

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4 hours ago, joe_OC said:

Great find!  The droopy, flat plained  fronds really threw me off.  The leaf base says Hedyscepe to me.

It makes me question whether Hedyscepe could be hybridized with a Howea?  I looked at photos of both mine which are growing in varying degrees of deep shade to moderate shade and while the leaflet tips are a bit droopy, there is still significant "V" coming off the rachis.

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47 minutes ago, Tracy said:

It makes me question whether Hedyscepe could be hybridized with a Howea?  I looked at photos of both mine which are growing in varying degrees of deep shade to moderate shade and while the leaflet tips are a bit droopy, there is still significant "V" coming off the rachis.

I was pondering the same thing. When I first saw this to be honest I was like “oh, what have we here”? Then I read the label and it said Chambeyronia Macrocarpa. I was like “nope”. Then I read the label of the Chambeyronia macrocarpa next to it and it said Hedyscepe canterburyana. That’s when I was like “oh, that’s what it is”. So my point is it didnt jump out at me to be Hedyscepe at first either. But even with the Kentia looking leaves when you see it in person it is obviously not a Howea forsteriana. If it is a hybrid I would be ok with that. I wonder if Hedyscepe can have this kind of variable to it?

Here’s another close up of base. Even a “cleaned” kentia would have some yellow marbling to it.

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I doubt you could cross a Howea with. Hedyscepe. But a Howea cross Laccospadix may work. That’s definitely a full blood Hedyscepe and a beauty at that.

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Hedyscepe is a shade palm. Why would the leaflets be so droopy even if grown in deep shade? It looks very healthy. 

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Keep us updated next spear it throws out.

Curious what next leaf will look like as well.

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2 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

Hedyscepe is a shade palm. Why would the leaflets be so droopy even if grown in deep shade? It looks very healthy. 

Sorry, to be clear, I’m not trying to be obtuse. :D

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26 minutes ago, Matt in OC said:

Sorry, to be clear, I’m not trying to be obtuse. :D

No, you raise good questions. I’m starting to just think that these can have variation to the leaves sort of the way D. Prestoniana does with “big curly “ or D. Onilahensis does with the “weeping form”. Maybe this droopy leaf is just more of a rare variation for Hedyscepe. :huh:

But that is just my uneducated speculation.

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Leaf blade can vary from almost flat to keeled & recurved.  I believe it is both genetic and a response to light levels.  I have five plants in ground,  the ones with overhead cover have a more flat blade.   TassieTroy's palm is typical for one grown under an open sky.   Here is a photo of mine, and then a habitat shot . 

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True, it's probably due to the low amount light it's had. Much like Rhopalostylis they can almost look like kentias in deep shade. Either way that's a interesting form of Hedyscepe.

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Mine has fairly droopy leaflets as well. It grew incredibly slowly for several years until I started watering it almost daily and it produces up to five leaves per year now. Early morning sun and a touch of late afternoon sun here. No Santa Ana’s though. 

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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I haven't found any photos on the internet of Hedyscepe with the form yours has...

Since the two Genus are closely related. I'll post a photo of a ''Kentia'' looking Rhopalistylis sapida growing in deep shade I took today. All the other Rhopalistylis near it were more upright than this one.

 

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The palm from the nursery is definitely a Hedyscepe in lower light the leaflets are drooping

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Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

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On 6/21/2020 at 7:56 AM, TomJ said:

Keep us updated next spear it throws out.

Curious what next leaf will look like as well.

Well it just recently opened its first spear since I’ve owned it. In this first picture you can tell it wants the leaflets to form that classic Hedyscepe ‘V’ shape off the rachis.

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But a few days later it seems to have relaxed to the droopy look like the other fronds. I am curious to keep an eye on this one to see if it eventually takes on the traditional Hedyscepe look as it spends more time in the sun or if it’s future has already been determined based on its early in life shade grown conditions. :huh:

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On 6/21/2020 at 9:21 PM, Tyrone said:

I doubt you could cross a Howea with. Hedyscepe. But a Howea cross Laccospadix may work. That’s definitely a full blood Hedyscepe and a beauty at that.

I have one! And purported Rhopalostylis x Hedyscepe!  

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6 hours ago, richnorm said:

I have one! And purported Rhopalostylis x Hedyscepe!  

You gotta post some pics, Rich and provide some background information of those two palms.

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7 hours ago, richnorm said:

I have one! And purported Rhopalostylis x Hedyscepe!  

:interesting:

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Someone was selling a R sapida chatham / hedyscepe hybrid on trademe. They called it an ANZAC palm. The palm was 140mm tall and looked a lot like a chatham nikau from what I can remember...

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16 hours ago, joe_OC said:

You gotta post some pics, Rich and provide some background information of those two palms.

They were both created by a local guy who mainly specialises in cycad crosses but is also a very experienced professional palm grower and collector. I have no doubt utmost care was used to prevent pollen contamination but of course remain open minded.  I have two of the Rhopalostylis x Hedyscepe and one of the Howea x laccospadix.   The HxL might actually be LxH as another grower suggested to me the mother was a laccospadix even thought the label suggested otherwise.  All my palms have suffered to some extent from one of the worst droughts in living memory at a time when I was stuck overseas for five months due to Covid.  All these possible hybrid plants have been exceedingly slow growing.  The RxH in particular is much slower than I would normally expect from either parent. 

Here's the  HxL (or vice versa). The new leaf has just lost the red colour which is quite pronounced. The leaves look kinda upright because it's blowing a gale out there!

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13 hours ago, richnorm said:

Here's the RxH, Excuse the weeds!

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That is so cool!

 

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I'm sorry to bump the thread again, but how is your palm going now almost a year since you planted it?...Iv'e noticed one of mine has recently started putting out  kentia looking leaves in dappled  sunlight. I really like this look.

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Palmcode, you can bump this thread anytime !  :D

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@PalmCode.....It is doing ok despite frequent cold winds this winter and early spring.  I think it has only opened two new leafs. I do not have an updated picture at this time. Yours definitely looks very similar to mine.

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