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Sabal Steve

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I’ve been growing these up for a few years now, and I was wondering how much longer before I can start to spot the true lisas.  I’m thinking that I’ll need to pot them up to one gallons.  Thoughts?7A0AEC5C-06F6-4217-B0B1-30B2E112CB08.thumb.jpeg.c041c0b6e239506b2a114cc13e18c274.jpegD0E76FD0-DA1F-443B-8AA1-13B45492F4F4.thumb.jpeg.1527c0abbb08fe4fe1bf4e9a14013321.jpeg

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9 minutes ago, The Steve said:

I’ve been growing these up for a few years now, and I was wondering how much longer before I can start to spot the true lisas.  I’m thinking that I’ll need to pot them up to one gallons.  Thoughts?7A0AEC5C-06F6-4217-B0B1-30B2E112CB08.thumb.jpeg.c041c0b6e239506b2a114cc13e18c274.jpegD0E76FD0-DA1F-443B-8AA1-13B45492F4F4.thumb.jpeg.1527c0abbb08fe4fe1bf4e9a14013321.jpeg

Hard to say.. All mine, most still in their 1gal com pots, aren't showing convincing signs yet.. ( germinated in 2016 ) though some of the never growth on some is stiffer than others. Potted some others into 3 gals last summer and signs they all might be legit Lisas is a bit more convincing (new fronds are pretty stiff compared to older fronds ).. Regardless, thinking it will be another year or two before i'll know for sure though, ..or is my guess based on how my oldest looked when i bought it.  Like you, i need to get the rest of mine separated and into individual pots.

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Quick update of my larger 2-3 gal seedlings. Still too early to be 100% sure but, as you'll notice, leaves on the 1st specimen started splitting as they emerged this year. Fronds on the other two remain entire and exhibit some cupping / that " thick, plastic-y " feel.  Notice that on the 3rd, older fronds are more narrow and do cup ( might be hard to see in the pic ) but newest frond is wider. All remain entire ( no splitting ) Figure by this time next year it should be easier to conclude # 2 & 3 are indeed true Lisa.  Still haven't separated the others stuck in com pots.. Next year.

Hopes this helps w/ yours/ others here w/ younger, seed-started specimens.

 Lisa #1:
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Lisa #2:
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Lisa #3:
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1 hour ago, Sabal Steve said:

I have 15 prospects.

Chances are pretty good for at least 6 out of 15 based on others experience!  :D

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20 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Quick update of my larger 2-3 gal seedlings. Still too early to be 100% sure but, as you'll notice, leaves on the 1st specimen started splitting as they emerged this year. Fronds on the other two remain entire and exhibit some cupping / that " thick, plastic-y " feel.  Notice that on the 3rd, older fronds are more narrow and do cup ( might be hard to see in the pic ) but newest frond is wider. All remain entire ( no splitting ) Figure by this time next year it should be easier to conclude # 2 & 3 are indeed true Lisa.  Still haven't separated the others stuck in com pots.. Next year.

Hopes this helps w/ yours/ others here w/ younger, seed-started specimens.

 Lisa #1:
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Lisa #2:
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Lisa #3:
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Palm #1: not Lisa. It is going palmate too normally and too young. Sabal Lisa adult leaves are fused/pleated

Palm #2 & #3: possibly Lisas. Strap leaves look concave, not flat. Are any of them rolling inward to look like cylinders? Cylindrical strap leaves are giveaways.

Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
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Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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8 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Palm #1: not Lisa. It is going palmate too normally and too young. Sabal Lisa adult leaves are fused/pleated

Palm #2 & #3: possibly Lisas. Strap leaves look concave, not flat. Are any of them rolling inward to look like cylinders? Cylindrical strap leaves are giveaways.

# 2-3 do exhibit cupping/ cylindrical curving,  though not quite to the degree the oldest specimen i have ( not pictured ) does. It's 100% Lisa. It was maybe a year ( or two? ) older than these when i purchased it.  Watching the newest leaf on the 3rd to see if it curves as much as some of the narrower, older leaves have, or stays flatter/ starts to split like leaves on the first palm did. All 3 are the same age. Other seedlings are as well.

The "mother" specimen all my seedlings came from at Kopsick. There's another Lisa in another section of the collection but what seed was produced aborted before ripening on it the same year.
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1 hour ago, Silas_Sancona said:

# 2-3 do exhibit cupping/ cylindrical curving,  though not quite to the degree the oldest specimen i have ( not pictured ) does. It's 100% Lisa. It was maybe a year ( or two? ) older than these when i purchased it.  Watching the newest leaf on the 3rd to see if it curves as much as some of the narrower, older leaves have, or stays flatter/ starts to split like leaves on the first palm did. All 3 are the same age. Other seedlings are as well.

The "mother" specimen all my seedlings came from at Kopsick. There's another Lisa in another section of the collection but what seed was produced aborted before ripening on it the same year.
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Good looking mother palm. Makes me miss mine lost after Irma. I'm hoping my older remaining Sabal Lisa flowers one of these years.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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2 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Good looking mother palm. Makes me miss mine lost after Irma. I'm hoping my older remaining Sabal Lisa flowers one of these years.

Keeping my fingers crossed for yours as well since, if i remember correctly,  yours came from the original specimen.. 

Hoping someone snaps a couple pictures of this and the other specimen up there in St. Pete while visiting the collection. Imagine both have grown some since i moved ( 2016 ). Pictures i took/posted of her are from July 2014. Have others from X-mas of that year, and early 2016 before i moved.

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