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The Germinator

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I purchased seeds for this palm as Phoenix acualis "Trunkles Date Palm" . There was obviously a coyote  in the hen house on this one. I am gonna guess dactylifera.  Now it has

volunteers growing. There was a male Canary about 20 feet away and a Roeb about 20 feet away.  I have a 5 gallon grown from these seeds which are red and very ornate. i am curious to see how it will grow.

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Ed Mijares

Whittier, Ca

Psyco Palm Collector Wheeler Dealer

Zone 10a?

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that sure doesnt look like any dactylifera I have ever seen, and I have seen a lot in my 10 years in arizona where they are relatively common landscape trees.  I dont know what that one is.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Dactylifera leaflets fall into two planes like an x.    See belowimage.thumb.png.e7e0ddd19e46511fe4cfd1163cc9eea6.png

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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I agree. I’m no expert but I have to say that it looks like the Phoenix acaulis that I have seen in the South of France

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i thought they did not get a trunk... I have never seen one before.

Ed Mijares

Whittier, Ca

Psyco Palm Collector Wheeler Dealer

Zone 10a?

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They can get small trunks. The ones I have seen were all in one nursery and from my memory had maybe 3-4 feet of trunk. I don’t know whether that was their max height or not. Yours seems taller, so perhaps it is a hybrid (maybe with Canariensis...)?

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Looks more like a sylvestris cross to me. Volunteers could turn out quite interesting!

Lardos, Greece ( Island of Rhodes ) 10B

1.9 km from Mediterannean Sea

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On 1/18/2020 at 3:44 AM, The Germinator said:

I purchased seeds for this palm as Phoenix acualis "Trunkles Date Palm" . There was obviously a coyote  in the hen house on this one. I am gonna guess dactylifera.  Now it has

volunteers growing. There was a male Canary about 20 feet away and a Roeb about 20 feet away.  I have a 5 gallon grown from these seeds which are red and very ornate. i am curious to see how it will grow.

 

Phoenix_acualis_x.jpg

I was previously inclined to agree with you as the very first information I saw about this palm many years ago is what is shown at the very bottom of the page at this link (https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Phoenix_acaulis).  I thought all true P. acaulis were very similar in form to a trunkless yucca.  Additional reading about the species since then has just left me confused and wondering if the palm I have (very similar in looks to yours) is a hybrid or the real thing.

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Clay

South Padre Island, Zone 10b until the next vortex.

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2 hours ago, Austinpalm said:

wondering if the palm I have (very similar in looks to yours) is a hybrid or the real thing.

My first thought when I saw this photo was "looks just like Clay's mystery Phoenix"!  The leaves on this one and yours seem to be longer than those pictured in Palmpedia, but most pics are juvenile plants so hard to say if it's a hybrid.  Regardless I would strongly suspect that the volunteer palms in the photo are hybrids.  @The Germinator did you germinate your 5-gal plant from seeds produced by the pictured plant or from some other source?  If it came from the pictured palm you might have an interesting hybrid of a hybrid, 

Jon Sunder

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The other Reason I think it is a cross is that it grows like a weed. I bought the seeds less than ten years ago.

Ed Mijares

Whittier, Ca

Psyco Palm Collector Wheeler Dealer

Zone 10a?

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The palm pictued in Austinpalm's link looks different. I think have a mut.

Ed Mijares

Whittier, Ca

Psyco Palm Collector Wheeler Dealer

Zone 10a?

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