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JANAIY

I took a bunch of really small seeds from these palms and would like to know the name and specie. Somebody will know! 

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greysrigging

They do look Pytchosperma ish, but not really macarthurii ish.... macarthurii  generally have lots of clumping suckers....
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Might be elegans planted in clumps ?

 

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RedRabbit
22 minutes ago, greysrigging said:

They do look Pytchosperma ish, but not really macarthurii ish.... macarthurii  generally have lots of clumping suckers....
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Might be elegans planted in clumps ?

 

I think you’re right; they look like a Pytchosperma, but probably not macarthurii. I’m also leaning towards elegans despite them appearing to be a little too small in stature.

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greysrigging
1 minute ago, RedRabbit said:

I think you’re right, it looks like a Pytchosperma but probably not macarthurii. They appear to be a little to small in stature to be elegans, but it’s a distinct possibility.

Oh, given the right conditions elegans can get quite large... but can be smaller.... my elegans here in Darwin about the same size as the OP.... struggle in my poor rocky soil in the front yard and thrive in the back yard 30 yards away.

 

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JANAIY
7 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Oh, given the right conditions elegans can get quite large... but can be smaller.... my elegans here in Darwin about the same size as the OP.... struggle in my poor rocky soil in the front yard and thrive in the back yard 30 yards away.

 


these are not cluster, so I believe it’s not that one. The leaves appear also much darker green. The canopy is nice full too. The seeds I collected are really tiny and I cleaned them last night and they are smaller than a  Cherry fruit seed or however you call it. Maybe Dypsis? Or are Dypsis clustering too? 

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Fusca

 

28 minutes ago, JANAIY said:

The seeds I collected are really tiny

A photo of the seeds would be helpful as Pytchosperma seeds are somewhat unique looking.  Were the fruits red colored?  This photo of P. elegans fruit/seed is from Palmpedia:

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JANAIY

They look the same without the fruit body, the fruit body itself was not round but rather oval. 

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JANAIY

I will send pics once home 

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JANAIY

Pytchosperma elegans or solitaire, look just the same

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greysrigging

( photo credit Roland Nancarrow, Cairns, Australia ) Pic sourced from the FB page.
Pytchosperma bleeserii and Torres Strait Pigeon.
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JANAIY

It’s a nice picture but you can’t really tell. 

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JANAIY
9 hours ago, Fusca said:

 

A photo of the seeds would be helpful as Pytchosperma seeds are somewhat unique looking.  Were the fruits red colored?  This photo of P. elegans fruit/seed is from Palmpedia:

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Yes they were red but less rounded than in the picture. Can’t tell if they are the same or not. What do you think? 

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NOT A TA
27 minutes ago, JANAIY said:

Yes they were red but less rounded than in the picture. Can’t tell if they are the same or not. What do you think?

Did they look similar to the one on the left below?

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Rd003

Those have to be Ptychosperma elegans, which are ubiquitous over South Fla. They hardly ever plant macarthurii or other Ptychosperma sp.

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SWFLchris

Those are P. elegans 100%

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JANAIY
2 hours ago, NOT A TA said:

Did they look similar to the one on the left below?

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I would say like the left one, only they were red colored like the middle one and 2-3 times smaller than the left one. I will send a 

picture from   cleaned seeds from a Floridian  Christmas palm and that seed.. to give you the right perspective

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JANAIY
5 minutes ago, JANAIY said:

I would say like the left one, only they were red colored like the middle one and 2-3 times smaller than the left one. I will send a 

picture from   cleaned seeds from a Floridian  Christmas palm and that seed.. to give you the right perspective


Here you can see how tiny they are. 

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NOT A TA

I have no personal experience with elegans so far,  however based on appearance & fruit I believe @greysrigging, @RedRabbit, @Rd003, and @SWFLchris, all pointed you in the right direction to Ptychosperma elegans.

While you removed the fleshy fruit the seed may still be inside an endocarp much like the Adonidia. I believe the hotlinked pic posted above of elegans seed from the Palmpedia page shows seed without the fleshy fruit or endocarp and an endocarp cut in half. If you dry your X-mas palm seed and squeeze the endocarp you'll hear it crack open. Then you can peel the endocarp off and reveal the actual seed. If you go to the very bottom of the Palmpedia elegans page you'll see a pic of seed from RPS that look like your seed with fleshy fruit removed then dried, because that's the way they ship them.

Pic of Adonidia merrillii seed below just for demonstration.

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Tyrone

Ptychosperma elegans for sure.

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greysrigging

The Adonidia merrillii seeds are double the size and shaped like an Aussie Rules football...
( if thats what these are in my back yard'.... in among Macarthurii actually )
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JANAIY
7 hours ago, greysrigging said:

The Adonidia merrillii seeds are double the size and shaped like an Aussie Rules football...
( if thats what these are in my back yard'.... in among Macarthurii actually )
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Looks definitely Adonidia

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