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Where T.radiata resembles Washingtonia


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30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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9 hours ago, joe_OC said:

I like them better...More petite looking

That and it appears they don't hold onto a skirt very long like Mex. fans do. While these particular specimens might have been cleaned from time to time, never noticed a skirt on even smaller specimens i'd observe around Bradenton, St. Pete, or Clearwater.  un-armed leafstalks are a bonus as well ( on these ).

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Just now, joe_OC said:

I would grow that palm if it was available here. 

I've got seedlings  but they've been a bit slow so far.. Not 100% they're pure radiata though. Birds took the tag i'd made, sun here faded what i'd written on the pot. Collected seed at Kopsick and i could have mixed them with Lecuothrinax seed i'd collected at the same time.  Really bummed when i lost a batch of Thrinax parviflora subsp. parviflora seedlings i had ( also collected at Kopsick ) Like both forms but, as i'm sure you know, the curly-leaved form is really nice.

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Please find a smaller and not well tended T. radiata that I shot on a drive-by because I thought it was an exotic and I was wrong. Note the full rounded crown canopy top, which in many instances holds old branches not unlike the Washingtonia. The palms in the first picture have likely been heavily barbered but they are very old palms:

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I have always noticed this particularly in the Florida Keys, where there are many that are tall, tall, tall... When young they of course are so lush and magnificent with their huge, rich green leaves that have NO resemblance to Washingtonia. But when they are really old, they truly are like a W. robusta in miniature (that is, shorn of its petticoats and leafbases, and at the heights it achieves only in the desert southwest and Mexico). It is one of my favorite palms. I love them even more so because after Irma they shook off 12 hours of saltwater and a good dose of 160mph wind (and most likely a tornado barrage) as if they had just taken a nice refreshing bath. I don't think I have seen a single specimen that was killed by that monstrous hurricane. The only other native palm I can say that about is Pseudophoenix (also Acoelorrhaphe, though that one is not native to the Keys). It is worth noting that in the Keys Thrinax radiata are only naturally found within sight of saltwater. They just do not naturally populate the inland areas for whatever reason. Apparently there is only one small stand on Big Pine Key that has been designated by the Brain Trust as "native." On the other hand, they grow beautifully if planted in interior areas, they just don't reproduce like tribbles there. And, like Coccothrinax argentata, they are beautiful as babies so you don't feel deprived of anything if planting them while small despite their slow but steady progress.

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previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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That is some deep and very real heat felt prose. Magnificent and thank you.

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23 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Like both forms but, as i'm sure you know, the curly-leaved form is really nice

Does this look like the curled leaf type?

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48 minutes ago, NOT A TA said:

Does this look like the curled leaf type?

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Those look like regular T. radiata.  The curly leaf subspecies/ variety.. ( whatever you'd call it.. )  of Thrinax parviflora  Looks very distinct.. There's a thread from 2014 here that has pics. Also viewable over on Palmpedia. Very uncommon / rare as well, at least at that time.. Would be nice ( ahem, lol.. ) if we had some updated pics of the Fairchild specimen.. others other Palm Talk members there in South Florida might have started when Steve Stern's specimens produced viable seed ( Mentioned in the 2014 thread ).

 

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On January 10, 2020 at 8:46 AM, joe_OC said:

I would grow that palm if it was available here. 

My Thrinax radiata came from Southern CA and it's doing well up here in the Bay Area. I'm sure you can find one down there too. Also eBay has these seedlings right now.

 

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9 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

My Thrinax radiata came from Southern CA and it's doing well up here in the Bay Area. I'm sure you can find one down there too. Also eBay has these seedlings right now.

 

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Thanks, Jim.  I found them at Multiflora.  Bill has a couple of them there.

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They look more like Trachycarpus than Washingtonias. At least to me. 

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On 1/10/2020 at 8:46 AM, joe_OC said:

I would grow that palm if it was available here. 

Home Depot sometimes sells them as houseplants. Which provides a few clues . . . .

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21 minutes ago, Steve in Florida said:

I found a bunch of three gallon ones for sale in a big box store in New Port Richey, FL.

Which one, may have to run up and grab a few?

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I was out on a seed collecting mission today and one of my stops was at the place I took the previous pics at. Since I'd seen the interest in these palms in this thread I took some pics of other ones on the property showing the full palm. Quite the difference in appearance compared with the one thirsty looking one in @bubba pic above.

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This is my only one here in Northern CA. Last fall I dug it out of the spot it had been in since a seedling that was crowded and almost full shade and placed it into a tall pot for now in the sun out by the street. I think it will respond well to it’s warmer sunnier placement and will eventually get planted back into the ground. These are pretty slow palms up here. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

I think it will respond well to it’s Warner sunnier placement and will eventually get planted back into the ground.

You have a dripper dedicated to the pot? I think the ones in my pics would look even nicer if they got more water. I can tell they don't have the irrigation set up to provide enough water by the scraggly looking  Schefflera next to the Thrinax.

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