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Some palm photos from today in zone 10a

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Condolences to those on the East coast of Australia, the bushfires must be huge, as they have been making our skies very hazy, 3000km away. Since Monday however a change of wind has brought clear air from Southern ocean again.

Took a drive to the adjacent coast today on a day off. This area is a solid 10a but is cooler than inland in the first half of summer especially.

Photos taken in Raqlan, NZ.

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This and another Phoenix just out of sight had self seeded, I think.

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Definitely a self seeding, right against the fence, being allowed to grow for now, but days will be numbered for it. 

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Huge Norfolk pines about 100 years old. They seem to be a 9A tree down here, plenty of large ones present well inland too.

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Queen and washies. Bananas stay green year round and fruit in this area (although not quite commercially viable)

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Row of CIDP planted 1923.

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Don't know what the thing on the right is but the leaves are about 60cm (2ft) long.

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A king palm and the much loved native Metrosideros excelsa in flower.

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An old Rhopalostylis sapida, showing how they tend to end up looking in gardens if have no shelter or shade. Some don't mind this look but I like them a little more open.

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sandgroper

Beautiful photos mate! Condolences for our Kiwi brothers with the volcano on White Island, it's terrible.

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PalmatierMeg

Fantastic photos of a lovely place. Thanks.

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ruskinPalms

I love the palms but every one of these shots has great composition. Are you a pro photographer? 

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cbmnz
6 hours ago, ruskinPalms said:

I love the palms but every one of these shots has great composition. Are you a pro photographer? 

LOL, no, just an average Joe Bloggs with a smartphone. I did give these shots a little crop and straighten here and there before posting. Guess I've probably started to copy how the pros compose their shots, without realising it. 

 

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cbmnz
22 hours ago, sandgroper said:

Beautiful photos mate! Condolences for our Kiwi brothers with the volcano on White Island, it's terrible.

Yes, been hard to take that. Could have easily been someone I know, plenty I do know have done that tour.  It's only a bit under a 2hr drive to where the boat leaves from, could do it in a day trip. Would have done it myself without hesitation if someone had invited/suggested.

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Stevetoad

the plant on the right is ficus dameropsis. great stuff

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sipalms

Nelson/Tasman/Motueka today - like a lot of coastal New Zealand, this would be theoretically 10a but without the heat stats of the US South for example. This is the southernmost city of New Zealand that would be considered 'palmy'. Queen Palms are a common street planting, CIDP everywhere, washies, butia, even Archontophoenix and Kentia looked exceptionally healthy.

Latitude is 41.3S.

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Yeah. I was very surprised to see 10m tall healthy Kentia there in "The Wood" neighbourhood.  By Richmond though seemed to only be Queens and hardier. Think the frosts there vary over short distances quite dramatically.

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Ooops

Forgot to add pic of the beach at Kaiteriteri

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11 minutes ago, cbmnz said:

Yeah. I was very surprised to see 10m tall healthy Kentia there in "The Wood" neighbourhood.  By Richmond though seemed to only be Queens and hardier. Think the frosts there vary over short distances quite dramatically.

Yes, although there was Archontophoenix growing on the flat in Richmond. I guess there's no risk of a killing frost there, only frosts that might damage older fronds.

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cbmnz
On 12/13/2019 at 5:21 AM, Stevetoad said:

the plant on the right is ficus dameropsis. great stuff

Thanks for the ID. See that species is from the highlands in the tropics so very coastal NZ is a reasonable approximation  of its home.

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Mr. Coconut Palm

Is there any place in New Zealand where Coconut Palms would be viable, especially some of the more cold hardy Tall varieties, like the Indian Tall from the New Delhi area, or the Green Variety of Hawaiian Tall, or the Mexican Tall, or Jamaican Tall, or Panama Tall, or Maypan?

 

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57 minutes ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Is there any place in New Zealand where Coconut Palms would be viable, especially some of the more cold hardy Tall varieties, like the Indian Tall from the New Delhi area, or the Green Variety of Hawaiian Tall, or the Mexican Tall, or Jamaican Tall, or Panama Tall, or Maypan?

 

John,

At 40° south latitude, I can only wish the northern-most part of the country, Cape Rainga @ 34° could be the only probable/potential place, with supplemental heating, to sustain a coconut palm .  Lord of the Rings was filmed in New Zealand because it mimics uninhabited central Europe.  

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6 hours ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Is there any place in New Zealand where Coconut Palms would be viable, especially some of the more cold hardy Tall varieties, like the Indian Tall from the New Delhi area, or the Green Variety of Hawaiian Tall, or the Mexican Tall, or Jamaican Tall, or Panama Tall, or Maypan?

 

In a word,  no. The winters are mild in places but not warm enough on average. As I understand you need an average high of 20C or higher in every month of the year. No place in NZ comes close to that.

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A few years ago a coconut self seeded on a beach on NZ's offshore territory  Kermadec Island at 29S and grew for a few years before dying. That is the closest there has ever been to a coconut palm growing in NZ.

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12 hours ago, cbmnz said:

A few years ago a coconut self seeded on a beach on NZ's offshore territory  Kermadec Island at 29S and grew for a few years before dying. That is the closest there has ever been to a coconut palm growing in NZ.

Thanks.  I seem to recall reading about that one and seeing a pic or two of it in a thread here several years ago.

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A few more shots, these from the famous tourist city of Rotorua which is in a caldera at 300m (1000ft) , so gets some decent frosts at times. Didn't see any any Archontophoenix but no reason they should not grow there since they do well here. Bougainvillea growing above concrete but with no overhead cover suggests that too.

I was imagining a coconut growing on the edge of one of the many boiling mudpools and steaming open hot water springs around :)

 

 

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Tyrone

Have you seen any Jubaea in your travels?

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cbmnz

No, not yet. I'm aware there are some in Auckland. Not sure where else in the country.

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Had a look out for palms in Matamata today, a smaller town that is fairly frosty in winter.  Still, saw at least one bouganvilea vine thriving with no overhead cover. I noticed some  Rhopalostylis planted in a public area last summer so went back to see how they had got through the winter. They looked great and actually looking again look more like R. Baueri (see last photo) making it even more remarkable they doing so well.

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PalmCode

Yea, surely somebody's got to be growing Archontophoenix in their yard in Rotorua. Heck if I lived there I'd try. 

These look like Jubaea. Growing in Orewa. north Auckland.001.jpg.42a28299f485980411a4f201005f4bb2.jpg

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Palms_03

Hi everyone, my first post! :)

Was down in Taranaki recently (i assume it would also be Zone 10a), quite a few nice palms down there but a ton of Nikau especially...

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Does anyone know what these palms below are - kentia? they look great

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Welcome to the forum. Good to have another NZ based member. Those palms in shade look like Kentia but could be Howea belmoreana also.  Nikau must love Taranaki, lack of cold and heat, and regular rainfalls that often continue through the summer as well.

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Dave-Vero

Archontophoenix at Ayrlies Garden in suburban Auckland.  Not a great photo, but fairly jarring among all the temperate plants.  Also saw some at the Hamilton Garden.

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15 hours ago, Dave-Vero said: atArchontophoenix Ayrlies Garden in suburban Auckland.  Not a great photo, but fairly jarring among all the temperate plants.  Also saw some at the Hamilton Garden.

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Yes, they can look strange here in mid winter when surrounded by bare deciduous trees. They have a sprinkler system to protect the tropical garden at Hamilton gardens where you saw those, but would hardly have turned it on the last three winters. Plenty of Archontophoenix tower in the surrounding areas unprotected, but streetview shows most took crown damage in 2009, when a week of harder frosts occurred.

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Mine had crown damage in 2010-11 when we had cold weather with cold rain followed after an interval y -3C (26 F).  Our climate is reasonably similar to Brisbane.

The Hamilton Garden was a questionable stop--so many natural history places to see--but it's a remarkable combo of permissive climate and showmanship.  Here in Florida, Disney and a few other tourist attractions pay serious attention to displaying plants.  Hamilton has the same sort of showmanship.

 

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On 1/3/2020 at 12:42 AM, PalmCode said:

Yea, surely somebody's got to be growing Archontophoenix in their yard in Rotorua. Heck if I lived there I'd try. 

These look like Jubaea. Growing in Orewa. north Auckland.001.jpg.42a28299f485980411a4f201005f4bb2.jpg

Ravenea rivularis. Jubaea would have much thicker trunks. 

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Tyrone
7 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Ravenea rivularis. Jubaea would have much thicker trunks. 

I was about to say the same thing. Good to see Ravenea rivularis that big in NZ. I wonder if they fruit.

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PalmCode
23 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Ravenea rivularis. Jubaea would have much thicker trunks. 

Oh true, thanks for the correction there. Good to know what what those palms are now.

 

16 hours ago, Tyrone said:

I was about to say the same thing. Good to see Ravenea rivularis that big in NZ. I wonder if they fruit.

Yea maybe, I can't say. I'll keep a look out out for any.

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On 12/17/2019 at 5:36 PM, GottmitAlex said:

John,

At 40° south latitude, I can only wish the northern-most part of the country, Cape Rainga @ 34° could be the only probable/potential place, with supplemental heating, to sustain a coconut palm .  Lord of the Rings was filmed in New Zealand because it mimics uninhabited central Europe.  

The snide cynic in me was going to go into a rambling rant about how Northland New Zealand's climate is rapidly changing from temperate subtropical to full tropical, coupled with dozens and dozens of photos of beautiful white sandy beaches, lush jungle and lots of zone 10 palms.....but I won't!!

In all seriousness the lord of the Rings scenery is mostly in the snowy highlands of the south island. There is no similarity to the terrain and climate of Northland.

I have spent a lot of time in Northland for business over the last few years, and I seriously wonder that there are some places with enough of a unique micro climate up there, that could sustain a coconut with some assistance. At least for the short-mid term. Some people need to give it a shot. At the end of the day, Cape Reinga is just 0.6 degrees different to the Corona CA latitude. Yes, the heat is no where near in summer, but there is no risk of killing frosts in winter.

 

 

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On 12/17/2019 at 2:23 AM, cbmnz said:

In a word,  no. The winters are mild in places but not warm enough on average. As I understand you need an average high of 20C or higher in every month of the year. No place in NZ comes close to that.

In your house!

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On 1/14/2020 at 7:10 PM, Dave-Vero said:

Archontophoenix at Ayrlies Garden in suburban Auckland.  Not a great photo, but fairly jarring among all the temperate plants.  Also saw some at the Hamilton Garden.

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Kinda like our Nor Callian Palm Talkers up north!

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On 1/14/2020 at 1:30 AM, Palms_03 said:

Hi everyone, my first post! :)

Was down in Taranaki recently (i assume it would also be Zone 10a), quite a few nice palms down there but a ton of Nikau especially...

mffBiRG.jpg

lycpzmB.jpg

Ynyk4Gs.jpg

Does anyone know what these palms below are - kentia? they look great

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b095vOL.jpg

OiSm94d.jpg

EqKS5LT.jpg

nz0DnAi.jpg

Welcome to the forums!

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